Theresa Tennyson Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: What did she say to give you the impression that she thinks sex is a dirty thing, and that she wants to pretend it doesn't exist? This... On 5/13/2020 at 12:17 PM, LittleBittieOne said: SECONDLIFE is AWESOME … but it tends to get a bad wrap! Some people in RL have come to think of it as a place for freaks & pervs, because it is, to them … ALL ABOUT the ('Pixel') SEX!! ...after being intensified through a Pavlovian filter. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: What did she say to give you the impression that she thinks sex is a dirty thing, and that she wants to pretend it doesn't exist? From page 2. "This is not my area of acceptance. Not interested as this is not an area that I offer my support to … despite any data in support of what drives commerce in actual or virtual society." That's close enough for me, and no, I'm not going to have this fight with you. I've been down that white knight rabbit hole with you far too many times and I already know how it ends. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: WTH is a "Realistic Dreamer"? Now they are just making stuff up. It makes as much sense as much of the rest of their post. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said: 10 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: What did she say to give you the impression that she thinks sex is a dirty thing, and that she wants to pretend it doesn't exist? This... On 5/13/2020 at 11:17 AM, LittleBittieOne said: SECONDLIFE is AWESOME … but it tends to get a bad wrap! Some people in RL have come to think of it as a place for freaks & pervs, because it is, to them … ALL ABOUT the ('Pixel') SEX!! I see this as describing how some people do indeed view SL -- not seeing all the potentiality within it but rather seeing it as ONLY about sex. I sure have gotten the raised eyebrows from, for example, by CPA when she found out what I did for a living. She then went on to describe how SL has so much more than sex in it, and how she wants to participate in that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: It makes as much sense as much of the rest of their post. Maybe "seeking HIM" means "I am seeking a male 'Realistic Dreamer' to complement my own interests". Hard to know from the OP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: From page 2. "This is not my area of acceptance. Not interested as this is not an area that I offer my support to … despite any data in support of what drives commerce in actual or virtual society." That's close enough for me, and no, I'm not going to have this fight with you. I've been down that white knight rabbit hole with you far too many times and I already know how it ends. Well, not inviting her to our next orgy then. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: 13 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: What did she say to give you the impression that she thinks sex is a dirty thing, and that she wants to pretend it doesn't exist? From page 2. "This is not my area of acceptance. Not interested as this is not an area that I offer my support to … despite any data in support of what drives commerce in actual or virtual society." That's close enough for me, and no, I'm not going to have this fight with you. I've been down that white knight rabbit hole with you far too many times and I already know how it ends. Well Beth I have no interest in creating sex toys in SL but I don't think sex in SL is bad (actually, I did create one, where the people under the mistletoe kissing for Xmas got a little out of control...lol). It sounds like she wants to focus on something else with her creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said: On 5/13/2020 at 12:17 PM, LittleBittieOne said: SECONDLIFE is AWESOME … but it tends to get a bad wrap! Some people in RL have come to think of it as a place for freaks & pervs, because it is, to them … ALL ABOUT the ('Pixel') SEX!! ...after being intensified through a Pavlovian filter. *Rap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanuarySwan Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I see this as describing how some people do indeed view SL -- not seeing all the potentiality within it but rather seeing it as ONLY about sex. I sure have gotten the raised eyebrows from, for example, by CPA when she found out what I did for a living. She then went on to describe how SL has so much more than sex in it, and how she wants to participate in that. Yes, some people from the outside do think that is what SL is...not to mention newbies that enter our IM, being one or two days old, with a "wanna come see my place" kind of thing like certain newbies think we are here for only one thing or their entertainment. It turned me off...it has turned many I know off. But, what she said isn't something I haven't heard quite a lot of times before, is what I was saying. But, to give a synopsis of what she states further down in the OP saying something like 'those that gave up bed jumping in SL are the reason SL is so great now' is kind of lalaland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, JanuarySwan said: 9 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I see this as describing how some people do indeed view SL -- not seeing all the potentiality within it but rather seeing it as ONLY about sex. I sure have gotten the raised eyebrows from, for example, by CPA when she found out what I did for a living. She then went on to describe how SL has so much more than sex in it, and how she wants to participate in that. Yes, some people from the outside do think that is what SL is...not to mention newbies that enter our IM, being one or two days old, with a "wanna come see my place" kind of thing like certain newbies think we are here for only one thing or their entertainment. It turned me off...it has turned many I know off. But, what she said isn't something I haven't heard quite a lot of times before, is what I was saying. But, to give a synopsis of what she states further down in the OP saying something like 'those that gave up bed jumping in SL are the reason SL is so great now' is kind of lalaland. You have a point. One would not necessarily have to give up "bed jumping" to participate in making SL great. Maybe she is really saying that's what she needed to do in order to be more creative. However if all one did was "bed jump" here then yeah then there would be no time left for creativity. Balance in all things....no need to make it 'either or'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kali Wylder Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: It sounds like she wants to focus on something else with her creativity. Seems to me she left and we are just talking amongst ourselves now 10 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: *Rap yeah, the wrong word choice was noted earlier, by Seicher I think. 15 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: see this as describing how some people do indeed view SL -- not seeing all the potentiality within it but rather seeing it as ONLY about sex. I sure have gotten the raised eyebrows from, for example, by CPA when she found out what I did for a living. She then went on to describe how SL has so much more than sex in it, and how she wants to participate I thought she said something to the effect that she'd been in SL for 12 years and now she wants to stop being all about the sex and be a "realistic dreamer" whatever that is 20 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: From page 2. "This is not my area of acceptance. Not interested as this is not an area that I offer my support to … despite any data in support of what drives commerce in actual or virtual society." Yup, definitely anti sex now 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, kali Wylder said: 19 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: It sounds like she wants to focus on something else with her creativity. Seems to me she left and we are just talking amongst ourselves now Is that bad? * looks for the rule book 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, kali Wylder said: 23 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: see this as describing how some people do indeed view SL -- not seeing all the potentiality within it but rather seeing it as ONLY about sex. I sure have gotten the raised eyebrows from, for example, by CPA when she found out what I did for a living. She then went on to describe how SL has so much more than sex in it, and how she wants to participate I thought she said something to the effect that she'd been in SL for 12 years and now she wants to stop being all about the sex and be a "realistic dreamer" whatever that is she said both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, kali Wylder said: 28 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: From page 2. "This is not my area of acceptance. Not interested as this is not an area that I offer my support to … despite any data in support of what drives commerce in actual or virtual society." Yup, definitely anti sex now Her response related to some links Maddy posted...about how porn has furthered virtual worlds. I wouldn't want to participate in porn either, but it doesn't mean I am anti-sex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 15 hours ago, LittleBittieOne said: 15 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said: https://www.thrillist.com/vice/how-porn-influenced-technology-8-ways-porn-influenced-tech-supercompressor-com https://www.datacompression.info/how-the-adult-industry-revolutionized-image-and-video-compression/ https://www.businessinsider.com/how-porn-drives-innovation-in-tech-2013-7 I could go on. This is not my area of acceptance. Not interested as this is not an area that I offer my support to … despite any data in support of what drives commerce in actual or virtual society. I am not unaware of the belief in this. I simply am one that does not contribute to it! Thank you! - 'Be well, be safe!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanuarySwan Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) On 5/13/2020 at 9:17 AM, LittleBittieOne said: Had they spent most of their time 'in the bed' rather than at the drawing board or 'more time chasing tail' than 'actually chasing their dreams' … we'd still be trying to make our own 'prim clothing', still be living in 'Flintstone looking homes', walking like ducks … and 'emoting sex' rather than using animations! So hat's off to the "Realistic Dreamers" that got our VL's off to a more 'Realistic' existence!! Thank you for FOCUSING more on your personal "Realistic" dreams than your dreams of your (sexual) passion. Nevertheless, for some, in addition to their goals, yes, … for some there is a need for companionship … I think she is making the assumption that giving up sex opens the door to our creative "dreams" being fulfilled. However, there is no way to know how each individual creative person lives their rl/sl nor how each person budgets their time. One of my favorite creator/friends is married and works a full time job, and is an incredible talent in SL too! So, it's not so cut and dried as she has written. She brought up an interesting point to me when it comes to "time" and creativity but it's not sex only that can take up our time...it's a variety of things that can; mostly family or job. I think she is also saying that SL has broadened it's landscape which anyone who has ever visited Editor's Picks would know that there is an incredible virtual world here beyond the "cybersex". She has pigeon-holed a lot of things (if you read the above) that some may have taken as "flaming" a bit. And, I hope she doesn't feel I'm actually talking about her...but rather I'm talking about what she wrote. Edited May 14, 2020 by JanuarySwan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushingaround Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Wait a darn minute here..you’re saying there is more than sex in SL... this is a conspiracy and you are all in on it 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Tyran Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 13 hours ago, LittleBittieOne said: There is no HIM because I was not permitted to continue … this was just a start … interrupted! 🙂 can i be "HIM" ? please ....... 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, JanuarySwan said: I think she And, I hope she doesn't feel I'm actually talking about her...but rather I'm talking about what she wrote. lol you are fun...I think we could riff off this forever. And I really don't think LittleBittieOne would mind... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, JanuarySwan said: I think she is making the assumption that giving up sex opens the door to our creative "dreams" being fulfilled. However, there is no way to know how each individual creative person lives their rl/sl nor how each person budgets their time. One of my favorite creator/friends is married and works a full time job, and is an incredible talent in SL too! So, it's not so cut and dried as she has written. Giving it up doesn't in and of itself open the door to creative "dreams" being fulfilled, but it can help. I think it depends on how much any individual is using sex as a kind of escape to keep them from going deeper in life. If one has a difficult childhood it's easy to use a relationship as an escape...constantly look for a kind of dependent love that wasn't in the past...not being able to move beyond that (psych 101). It can cause a diminished life. This is all or can be on pretty much an unconscious level, and so makes it difficult to sort out. Edited May 14, 2020 by Luna Bliss 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdminGirl Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @LittleBittieOne I think what you had in mind is better suited for a blog. I've never seen anyone use forums as a means to write a journal about themselves. You're free to do so but since forums support open discussion, I don't see how it would be very effective. With all the back and forth chatter, it's unlikely you'll ever get to the end of your story. This reception you're having has nothing to do with you being new. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Giving it up doesn't in and of itself open the door to creative "dreams" being fulfilled, but it can help. It can also hurt. I'm at my creative best after a release. After 5 or 6, I'm ready to paint the Mona Lisa (Saperstein) with my left hand and sculpt the statue of David (Bowie) with the other while weaving a tapestry with my toes and typing out the great American novel with my nose. 50 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I think it depends on how much any individual is using sex as a kind of escape to keep them from going deeper in life. Being a prude can also hinder people from going deeper in life. Being open in your sexuality can be liberating. Keeping your legs closed can also be liberating. Psych 102. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: Giving it up doesn't in and of itself open the door to creative "dreams" being fulfilled, but it can help. It can also hurt. I'm at my creative best after a release. After 5 or 6, I'm ready to paint the Mona Lisa (Saperstein) with my left hand and sculpt the statue of David (Bowie) with the other while weaving a tapestry with my toes and typing out the great American novel with my nose. 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: I think it depends on how much any individual is using sex as a kind of escape to keep them from going deeper in life. Being a prude can also hinder people from going deeper in life. Being open in your sexuality can be liberating. Keeping your legs closed can also be liberating. Psych 102. We have been discussing why our OP may be choosing to forgo sexual aspects in SL at this time, and in pursuit of creativity, and so my references are mainly about her. Whatever she is going through in her quest has nothing to do with your choices, which may be perfectly valid. Unfortunately whenever you encounter someone who benefits more from the restrictive side you immediately think they must be shaming you. This is projection on your part, and it's not the first time you've created an unnecessary sheetstorm with these issues. I do understand the shaming people go through, and how SL can be liberating in that regard and cause growth, especially in the US with all the religion we must deal with in our communities (notably in certain red states that we both live in). They want to control us, especially women, through controlling our bodies. But please don't confuse this with others who genuinely feel that more restriction in their life regarding those matters is beneficial to their growth. Edited May 14, 2020 by Luna Bliss 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: This is projection on your part, and it's not the first time you've created an unnecessary sheetstorm with these issues. It isn't projection when OP calls sexually open people "freaks and pervs" in her first paragraph. However, YOU are projecting by making assumptions and speculating about the reasons the OP doesn't want to include any talk of contributions the adult creators have made when it comes to creativity in SL. Pot. Kettle. Black. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Beth Macbain said: 6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: This is projection on your part, and it's not the first time you've created an unnecessary sheetstorm with these issues. It isn't projection when OP calls sexually open people "freaks and pervs" in her first paragraph. No, she said some others think that, and they do. Like I said before, I still get raised eyebrows when I reveal where I work, and usually it's because they think SL is just a brothel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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