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I found on old Linden lab documentation that you had a project for joining opensimulator based simulators on Secondlife . 

I would like to know if you have plans for reviving that project, It would be awesome because could bring more new lands to secondlife . I know there could be potential privacy or copybot issues but, what if you create a new flag for assets so only objects which creators allowed to go to open based sims can be used/transfer  there .

 

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This is a resident-to-resident forum, so all you are going to get is speculation about what Linden Lab might do. Nothing in the past 16 years, however, suggests that LL is interested in making SL servers or data in them open to outside grids. You've identified two of the greatest areas of potential concern: security and intellectual property. 

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9 hours ago, dankmemeister said:

Hi:
I found on old Linden lab documentation that you had a project for joining opensimulator based simulators on Secondlife . 

I would like to know if you have plans for reviving that project, It would be awesome because could bring more new lands to secondlife . I know there could be potential privacy or copybot issues but, what if you create a new flag for assets so only objects which creators allowed to go to open based sims can be used/transfer  there .

 

I'm sure as of right now, this is no where near the books, it was tested with interop, but there became legal issues and other ramifications preventing it,  as it stands right now,  I'm against this in total, because of my investment in SL, and some of my creations I still sl in world in SL.   Opensim is very VERY easily manipulated to give anything full perm and scripts can be opened, Rather not have some one open my scripts and getting some crucial infomation that talks to my webserver and then go pounce on it.   

 

So pass on this idea.

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Linden Lab looked into allowing Hypergrid teleports (I think that was the term) from SL to OpenSim grids. It's technically possible but was dropped due to legal concerns. LL did not attempt to connect OpenSim servers into SL itself. That would truly be a big security risk, but it's moot because OpenSim simulator software isn't compatible with SL anyway.

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well i joined in oct 2007 with  LL said  that  serverwas going public, open source, the next year.  I was looking for vworlds servers and found SL and it had somethings going for it.  Then i think in 2008 there was a problem at LL and some people were let go.  I was in the middle of possible getting a job at LL but then it went haywired.  First the server was not going to be open source, but the client would still be open source. Then 1/3 to 1/2 of the people left the company and i decide to look elsewhere myself.

That when i discover Opensimulator (OS).  Now Opensim is a different project and i was a member of that too.  But Opensimulator was the SL-type.  Then several things happened, i dont remember which years any more. But IBM and Intel was interested in SL and they had several project including hypergrid. Hypergrid would make it possible for people to run their own server and hooked into the SL main.  I find it interest that there was problems with hypergrid since it was still be developed.

Opensimulator has some problems, but most of those went away but it never reach 1.0; its still at 0.9 something. And i don't think it is a real project any more.

In the process, SL made it more difficult to connect with OS. First they took out the fact you could connect to Opensimulators by a switch.  And SL bought the site that was independently run and put it in the bin never to be seen again. It was for SL and OS. They replaced it with their Marketplace but you can't had anything on it for OS.

The fact is the LL was trying to bypass OS by offering a one-region server for $50,000 but they didn't have a market. I would pay $100 a year for 4-region with hypergrid running on an small device.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bristle Chesnokov said:

That when i discover Opensimulator (OS).  Now Opensim is a different project and i was a member of that too.  But Opensimulator was the SL-type.  Then several things happened, i dont remember which years any more. But IBM and Intel was interested in SL and they had several project including hypergrid. Hypergrid would make it possible for people to run their own server and hooked into the SL main.  I find it interest that there was problems with hypergrid since it was still be developed

was in 2008.  Torley made a vid about the first publicly recorded inter-grid teleport. Is here:

 

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ah it was IBM.  That was an unfortunately decision to not have hypergrid. You can't have a billion users with just one or two centers. That was promised in 2007, a billion or more users.

Most of the virtual worlds have disappeared, even free ones. Let's keep SL going and add hypergrids. You don't need SL Beta-- just have hypergrid for $100 a year. With RPi4 or whatever, you can have 4-regions or more for about 10 amps for each server at about $60 -150; or get an Intel NUC for more money but it is x64 or get a cheap laptop. And it doesn't matter if you have Windows, Mac, or Linux.

I would be willing to give away a complete server system for the price of what a RPi4 or NUC at cost with all that you need but it has to have hypergrid.Or anything that is better than hypergrid.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Bristle Chesnokov said:

ah it was IBM.  That was an unfortunately decision to not have hypergrid.

after this Linden decided to go with Second Life Enterprise (SLE). Which was a full install of the Linden server on the buyers systems, not the OpenSim opensource server. Cost about $US50,000 per annum as I remember. I think IBM bought SLE and were doing hyper-grid teleports between IBM and Second Life for some time

i think also it came unstuck for Linden because they couldn't find enough SLE customers for it. I think another thing where it came unstuck was that Linden couldn't allow SL resident resources to be transferred to 3rd-party owned SLE servers at that time (circa 2010 as I remember), licensing and copyright and all that

so it all got to hard and IBM decided to go with their own server mod of Opensim opensource. Same with the US military who also ended up making their own mod of OpenSim. NASA as well. I remember seeing a NASA presentation of an opensim world, which they were seeing as something that astronauts on space stations, and one day interplanetary flights, might find recreational and/or as in-flight task learning simulations. Was lots of stuff going on like this back then. Probably still is, but not with Linden involvement as I understand

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