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I haven't watched it yet, but looks like it could be good, and it's free on Youtube...

Michael Moore presents Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to say what no one else will this Earth Day — that we are losing the battle to stop climate change on planet earth because we are following leaders who have taken us down the wrong road — selling out the green movement to wealthy interests and corporate America. This film is the wake-up call to the reality we are afraid to face: that in the midst of a human-caused extinction event, the environmental movement’s answer is to push for techno-fixes and band-aids. It's too little, too late. Removed from the debate is the only thing that MIGHT save us: getting a grip on our out-of-control human presence and consumption. Why is this not THE issue? Because that would be bad for profits, bad for business. Have we environmentalists fallen for illusions, “green” illusions, that are anything but green, because we’re scared that this is the end—and we’ve pinned all our hopes on biomass, wind turbines, and electric cars? No amount of batteries are going to save us, warns director Jeff Gibbs (lifelong environmentalist and co-producer of “Fahrenheit 9/11” and “Bowling for Columbine"). This urgent, must-see movie, a full-frontal assault on our sacred cows, is guaranteed to generate anger, debate, and, hopefully, a willingness to see our survival in a new way—before it’s too late.

 

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So you're plugging a documentary that is biased?

 

First rule of science: question everything and study evidence.

 

There is scientific evidence that shows "climate change" has happened before and will happen again.

 

This film belongs on the comic shelf with the Beano

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5 hours ago, belindacarson said:

There is scientific evidence that shows "climate change" has happened before and will happen again.

There is also an overwhelming body of scientific evidence that the current episode of climate change is caused by humans and that of all climate changes in Earth's history, this particular one event is happening at unprecedented speed, and that, unlike past climate change events, this one is critical to our desire to maintain or improve the current lifestyles of billions of people.

This particular event will impact the coming generations at a cost and suffering that could have been prevented for a large part by developing new methods to meet the energy and resource demand in a sustainable way. And when I say cost and suffering, I'm talking having to give up our luxurious ways of life, famine, poverty, homelessness, mass migration, rising violence related to nationalism, tribalism and racism, disease outbreaks.

All of this misery would have been prevented if people would have paid a little more attention in school rather than just wanting to hang out with the cool kids, and put a little bit more trust in educated people who, instead of choosing a career to become millionaires, chose a sober and dedicated life in pursuit of truth and knowledge in order to improve quality of life, the so called 'experts' and 'scientists'.

Unfortunately, this has been stifled by active attempts of industries that chose to keep 'the status quo', such as promoting clean coal, for short-term financial gain, and who spared no cost to build a vast misinformation network, which has resulted in a large and vocal crowd of self-declared climate critics that psychologically project the label 'sheeple' upon their alleged ideological opponents.

I know it is hard for the human mind to grasp geological time scales and long-term consequences to human action, but allow a few minutes to read this fun little cartoon that explains the difference between previous climate changes and this one: https://xkcd.com/1732/

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99% of life on earth that ever lived has already gone extinct We have but to follow for the remaining time that' s left.

 

 

Within 5 billion years it' s all gone anyway ... :|

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5 hours ago, belindacarson said:

There is scientific evidence that shows "climate change" has happened before and will happen again.

One of the cool things we can do with science is figure out why things happen. I haven't watched Michael Moore's movie, but we have plenty of good, hard science about what's happening and why that can't be casually dismissed.

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7 hours ago, belindacarson said:

There is scientific evidence that shows "climate change" has happened before and will happen again.

 

This film belongs on the comic shelf with the Beano

It appears you were unable to grasp what this film is about. It's not a debate over whether climate change exists or not -- it's about green energy and whether it's really so 'green'. The film makes the case that so much fossil fuel is used in green technologies that they are not actually reducing our carbon footprint, and that the fossil fuel industry and certain leaders in the environmental movement are behind the green movement. In other words, they are not developing better forms of needed energy but are instead simply seeking profit.

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3 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

this particular one event is happening at unprecedented speed, and that, unlike past climate change events, this one is critical to our desire to maintain or improve the current lifestyles of billions of people.

Yes, species can't adapt when change happens too quickly.

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2 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:
7 hours ago, belindacarson said:

First rule of science: question everything and study evidence.

That statement implies you are able to study the evidence.

I'll need some evidence that's true.

Don't hold your breath.

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Aloha Luna. Don't worry about the haters; they have made their remarks about the film without watching it.

I agree with them that anything presented as fact should be questioned rather than simply accepted, and so went into this movie with an open mind. It's worth noting that this was produced by Michael Moore, not made by him. In other words, he put up the cash so that the filmmaker could put it together. Happily, the film features many scientists, who mention facts which can indeed be checked. The ones I've checked have been in line with established fact (rather than theory), so the film does appear credible. It's main messages, or at least the ones I took away from it, are 1) we cannot rely on technology to save us, 2) that population control would be wise scientifically, even if unacceptable to some emotionally, and 3) rather than look for alternative energies that would allow us to continue our current lifestyles without fossil fuels, we should change our lifestyles to ones in which we use far less energy.

My only problem with the film was the narrator's voice, which sounded like a 1990s relation tape :-)

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8 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

I know it is hard for the human mind to grasp geological time scales and long-term consequences to human action, but allow a few minutes to read this fun little cartoon that explains the difference between previous climate changes and this one: https://xkcd.com/1732/

That's an awesome timeline cartoon Arduenn!

 

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On 4/22/2020 at 10:37 AM, Luna Bliss said:

I haven't watched it yet, but looks like it could be good, and it's free on Youtube...

Michael Moore presents Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to say what no one else will this Earth Day

 

70cd415d46bb1f139225f49ca045d47d--michae

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32 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

When all you have are jokes about someone’s physical appearance, you don’t have much...

He has no respect for Hero's. If all you have is opinion without fact checking, you don't have much yourself...🤪

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27 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

Snipers are not heroes and Chris Kyle was a POS and a monster. No, I don’t have any respect for him.

He was also an Anti-Snipper(that means the other side was doing the same thing)

Micheal Moore is not even worthy to argue about..Have a good day Beth!👩‍💻

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On 4/22/2020 at 11:37 AM, Luna Bliss said:

I haven't watched it yet, but looks like it could be good, and it's free on Youtube...

Michael Moore presents Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to say what no one else will this Earth Day — that we are losing the battle to stop climate change on planet earth because we are following leaders who have taken us down the wrong road — selling out the green movement to wealthy interests and corporate America. This film is the wake-up call to the reality we are afraid to face: that in the midst of a human-caused extinction event, the environmental movement’s answer is to push for techno-fixes and band-aids. It's too little, too late. Removed from the debate is the only thing that MIGHT save us: getting a grip on our out-of-control human presence and consumption. Why is this not THE issue? Because that would be bad for profits, bad for business. Have we environmentalists fallen for illusions, “green” illusions, that are anything but green, because we’re scared that this is the end—and we’ve pinned all our hopes on biomass, wind turbines, and electric cars? No amount of batteries are going to save us, warns director Jeff Gibbs (lifelong environmentalist and co-producer of “Fahrenheit 9/11” and “Bowling for Columbine"). This urgent, must-see movie, a full-frontal assault on our sacred cows, is guaranteed to generate anger, debate, and, hopefully, a willingness to see our survival in a new way—before it’s too late.

 

It's important to work to save the environment, to stop global warning, to clean air and water and do everything possible. This can be done without any reference to Michael Moore whatsoever, and he is only counterproductive for things like this and basically a joke even on the left. You don't have to have communism or socialism to cure the environment; the countries around the world that have done the most to regulate carbon emissions and clean up the environment are capitalist, and that's no accident, comrades.

But Earth Day was and is Lenin's birthday, and indeed that is what it has always been about. The first Earth Day was the 100th anniversary of Lenin's birth, so it was a feather in the propagandists' cap. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not "reds under the bed," it's about how Kremlin propaganda has always worked and still worked, most recently in our elections in the US. Each time there is always a faction that loudly proclaims it is fake and a conspiracy, but that's just a distraction. All kinds of movements in the West have been infiltrated or hijacked by Kremlin forces, directly or indirectly, in their interests, which are all about selling their own oil and gas.

Wikipedia and others claim that the original founder of Earth Day didn't know anything about Lenin's birthday. But he doesn't have to, and it's even better if he remains oblivious -- there are others around him to put the bug in his ear in student movements and liberal movements around him. 

In the end, it doesn't matter if you can't prove Earth Day isn't deliberately placed on Lenin's birthday and you spout that it's John Muir's birthday, too. The point is, Russia, China, and India not to mention many other countries -- and most of the communist and authoritarian ones -- have far worse pollution problems than the US and Europe, yet the West always blames itself first.  If you care about the environment, you can't just worry about fracking in New York State as I do, you have to worry about oil extraction in Yamal where there is far less possibility of protest and action. 

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3 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

 have far worse pollution problems than the US and Europe, yet the West always blames itself first.  If you care about the environment, you can't just worry about fracking in New York State as I do, you have to worry about oil extraction in Yamal where there is far less possibility of protest and action. 

Well Said.

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11 hours ago, Waiomao said:

we should change our lifestyles to ones in which we use far less energy.

and still a majority of people saying this, drive their car for anything further than10 meters from home, use a zilliion electric stuff in homes even till wiping their butt with a machine. Their kitchen is full off ovens, fryers, cooking water utilities and more garbage .. and spend their time lots online... routers, pc'c ...thousends of miles with powered nets needed, isp's, and not at last severparks .. .. look at their homes in wintertime...it's visbible from space how bright santa and his plastic deers are!
Don't forget the zillions spend on looks, cremes and other fake stuff to let a 80 yr old look like 25 ... all is energy and full of micro plastics.. ( but hey, i throw my paper in the right bin) ..

ok.. do something about it. Start at home.

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11 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

It's important to work to save the environment, to stop global warning, to clean air and water and do everything possible. This can be done without any reference to Michael Moore whatsoever, and he is only counterproductive for things like this and basically a joke even on the left. You don't have to have communism or socialism to cure the environment; the countries around the world that have done the most to regulate carbon emissions and clean up the environment are capitalist, and that's no accident, comrades.

It was Ghandi & others who said "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." Usually the weakest members don't have much of a voice in society, as money talks and those with the cash get their needs met easily. What I like about Moore is that he gives a voice to the weak, to those who are underrepresented.

One may not like his style (he's more radical and tends to be more 'in your face' in many instances), or prefer the more calm, intellectual, and less-entertaining musings of a Noam Chomsky when addressing inequality, but I don't look so much at the style in which one presents their ideas but rather I pay most attention to what they are saying. And he consistently presents the concerns of those who have less power in society. From students who are damaged from gun culture (the film 'Bowling For Columbine') to those who are taken advantage of via our damaged health care system which causes 30,000 unnecessary deaths per year (the film 'Sicko') his documentaries highlight injustice and bring awareness to abusive power dynamics that damage the less powerful.

And so here we have his latest project (as producer) which highlights the abuse of the environment and the immense suffering that will occur to all forms of life (including humans) if we continue to believe in a false solution (the 'techno-fix' that is nothing but a power grab by the elite), and pointing the way to what we must do if we don't want to obliterate most life on this planet.

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