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7 minutes ago, Drakonadrgora Darkfold said:

Only when or if I feel like it or a store requires it. In my car.. nope. At home around neighbor outside.. nope. Walking in a park or down the street.. nope.. answering the door.. nope. Checking mail.. nope. When eating out once at my table.. nope.

I see people all the time driving ALONE and wearing their mask. I really don't know what to make of that. lol

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5 minutes ago, Gage Wirefly said:

I see people all the time driving ALONE and wearing their mask. I really don't know what to make of that. lol

Same, but then I found out. Many of those people are driving between things. Also, many are frontline workers who have the things on all day.  In both cases they just kind of forget they are on. Yes, I actually talked to people about it.

I also ended up doing the same thing a few times in the last few weeks. I didn't realize I had it on until I looked back at traffic in the rear view mirror.

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25 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Politicians -- yes, even the liberal ones -- who apparently want people to "Do as I say and not as I do"

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All he'll probably do is get back and then tell everyone , He should have known better , I'm sorry, my bad.. Then be forgiven and life will go on..Well, for some people it will anyways, I guess..

 

 

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1 minute ago, Ceka Cianci said:

All he'll probably do is get back and then tell everyone , He should have known better , I'm sorry, my bad.. Then be forgiven and life will go on..Well, for some people it will anyways, I guess..

 

 

He actually was called out for it before he took the trip - when word got out that he had the plans all made.  He apologized and went anyway.

 

 

10 minutes ago, CoffeeDujour said:

The ability to lie to your face and realistically expect to get away with it, is for all intents and purposes a politicians one job.

Yep.  If a politician is talking, then they are very (very, very) likely lying, at least about some of whatever they are saying.

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I thought it was cool how the Republican Chris Christie broke from the Trumpie-cult hypnotic aura and told the public to wear a mask after he suffered through his own Covid trauma. Some of them, even after getting Covid, were unable to affirm mask-wearing.

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18 hours ago, Rat Luv said:

I don't want to get in a fight with anti-mask people but I really think this video is a good watch and a convincing argument. And he is independent and never gets into politics.

ETA: It is a bit long so go to 22:30 if you prefer, it's worth it.

I like this doctor...I listened to him frequently early on in the crisis and learned from the studies he listed. I wonder if other studies, in addition to the one he cited, theorize that smaller initial exposure makes for milder cases of Covid.

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15 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

How is 'the little guy' the other side from you?

In spite of your own projecting about me, I am left of center and would usually choose the path of liberals if the party leader is someone reasonable. However, Clinton was not a good choice imo and Trump seemed a better choice, especially since the far left broke a cardinal rule in sales while arguing for a democrat vote. Instead of focusing on Clintons strong points (did she have any?) the norm was to criticize and make fun of Trump as being inept for office, as you continue to do to this day.

I've taken a few sales courses over the years and in all of them one of the first rules was to never criticize the competition because you take a huge risk in pushing your potential client to view the other side as the underdog and that's what happens each time you post something critical of Trump. People by and large tend to root for the underdog, just as you do, even if it might be against their own best interest. Its a human nature thing and no amount cajoling from your end can change that.

Another point about criticizing the competition is that the sales person increasingly loses credibility each time they double and triple down on their critiques. Others see the critiques as the promoter trying to ego boost themselves at the expense of the competition. That just tends to not go over well, even if no-one says anything directly.

So in conclusion, you are single handedly pushing me to to root for the underdog, just as you do for those you perceive as being such. :)

 

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On 4/29/2020 at 2:23 PM, Sassy Kenin said:

Calling it now! ...Current president loses the 2020 Election! 

no vaccinations will be forced on me...my body, my choice.

This is just my Covid-19 Vent .

 

Remind me to take you to the casino with me!...calling it now by end of 2021 we will see a 48th president..yeah i know the current one is 45th.

To everyone suffering from Covid 2.0... you are in my prayers💞

This is just my updated Covid-19 Vent .✌️

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10 hours ago, Gatogateau said:

Many of those people are driving between things. Also, many are frontline workers who have the things on all day.

I do the first all the time, when I have to run errands. It's like five mins between places, and I'd rather just leave the mask on rather than fight again to get the straps under my hair and around my earrings, and get the mask itself adjusted. Which is related to the second part, when I work I mostly have to wear it all day, so just used to having one on and seems normal to have one on.

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This thread can use some shine on it, So here's Ray Stevens doing, The Quarantine song..

Anyone that doesn't know who he is.. He's a story teller with music plus adds comedy to it.. I found him when I was doing a Tennessee search I was doing a little while ago..

This one is just for the heck of it feel good stuffs..

 

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4 hours ago, CaerolleClaudel said:

I do the first all the time, when I have to run errands. It's like five mins between places, and I'd rather just leave the mask on rather than fight again to get the straps under my hair and around my earrings, and get the mask itself adjusted. Which is related to the second part, when I work I mostly have to wear it all day, so just used to having one on and seems normal to have one on.

Yeah. It is interesting that some people assume "stupid person" or some dark conspiracy upon seeing a single person in a car wearing a mask. The truth is probably much simpler. :)

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7 hours ago, Sassy Kenin said:

Remind me to take you to the casino with me!...calling it now by end of 2021 we will see a 48th president..yeah i know the current one is 45th.

To everyone suffering from Covid 2.0... you are in my prayers💞

This is just my updated Covid-19 Vent .✌️

For some weird reason I actually remember your prediction and thank the gods you were right.

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22 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:
On 11/25/2020 at 8:51 PM, Luna Bliss said:

How is 'the little guy' the other side from you?

 However, Clinton was not a good choice imo and Trump seemed a better choice...  

....criticize and make fun of Trump 

While this is an interesting topic in and of itself (which candidate is considered the 'underdog' and its effects in election outcomes), this isn't what I was meaning by 'the little guy'. If you want to pursue this topic in the US election thread however, I'd participate (it had the word 'why' in it with 4 question marks).  Or maybe start a new topic, or maybe I will.

Anyway, considering the needs of 'the little guy', or the disadvantaged, is important during times of Covid, and in any election one party often considers the needs of the marginalized more than the other. The coronavirus is creating even more disadvantaged citizens by the minute, so we need to pay close attention to who we vote for in elections more than ever.

Personally, I couldn't care less about a party affiliation and I ONLY care about what the party can do for the disadvantaged in society. These disadvantaged are composed of many groups -- those financially poorer in society (including the vanished middle-class), those without health care, the disabled, the physically or mentally ill, People Of Color, the homeless, LGBTQ people -- any group that has been stomped down by the more powerful taking advantage via assigning more resources and privilege to themselves.

Caring about the above is what I call a 'social work agenda', or a spiritual agenda, and politics (in the true meaning of the word -- 'who gets what and how) are one of the means used to create justice -- it is not what is normally referred to as a "political agenda" as I am not beholden to any party but will always vote for whatever organized system makes a better attempt at creating equality and justice so there is less suffering and more people are able to achieve their dreams in our world.

So I'm encouraged by Biden and the plans/new staff I see every day, purposed to combat Covid & it's economic effects, as well as alleviating injustice on so many fronts.

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On 11/25/2020 at 3:16 PM, Rat Luv said:

I don't want to get in a fight with anti-mask people but I really think this video is a good watch and a convincing argument. And he is independent and never gets into politics.

ETA: It is a bit long so go to 22:30 if you prefer, it's worth it.

He generally provides decent practical advice and information. And wearing a mask may well reduce the amount of virus one may inhale. But, this video never puts things in perspective. This is a case where I think he has bought into the propaganda and lost his perspective.

Also, the data and examples, along with the referenced studies I checked, only provide a narrow look at the case data and seem to present a viewpoint rather than objective information.

How much was the age of the people in the cases a factor? Were all the employees at Tyson <60? Were the cruse ship passengers mostly young or old? Did these symptomatic groups have more obese people? More other health issues? There just wasn't good information provided.

The Danish Study This study used surgical masks and educated people on how to use them. Half the 6000+/- wore masks and half didn't. 42 of the mask wears caught (42/3000=1.4%) CoVid and 52 of the no-maskers caught it (52/3000=1.7%). If you are concerned about dying then the obvious choice from this data is wear a mask. But if you are  healthy and are aware of the damage masks do to people your choice may be different. Especially since there is little detail on the participants in the article as published.

The masks that most people are wearing are far less efficient than surgical masks. The Dartmouth Mask 'analysis' shows the inefficiency of most masks now in use. 

The result of all the studies is we still don't actually know. We all have our opinions and we are entitled to them. But do we have a right to force our opinions on others?

If 80% to 90% of the people wearing masks are asymptomatic why are we in lock down? 

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I agree with you @Nalates Urriahwe don't know all the facts yet. I am just terrified of getting sick, or suffering permanent lung damage. I don't have any long-term illness and am healthy, but I'd rather not risk it. I just think that any little thing we can do to contain it, even if it only helps a tiny bit, is worth trying. 

42 minutes ago, Nalates Urriah said:

If 80% to 90% of the people wearing masks are asymptomatic why are we in lock down? 

LOL, you should come to where I live. We're in a mask minority! 😷 (or probably more like 50 50)

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2 hours ago, Mollymews said:

probably because in the USA, 1 person in every 1,238 is already dead of this and still counting

You didn't consider the question I asked, the Danish study, or the deaths from the lockdown and lung damage from masks. But, thanks for the flippant answer.

Plus, we have moved into the second flu season with CoVid and they are lumping both seasons together. September started the next flu season. Plus the ratio of positive tests versus deaths is changing, fewer deaths per positive tests. We also know the US death numbers include a significant percentage of died with CoVid, not from. We also have evidence colds and other flus are giving positive tests as CoVid. And about 20% of tests are false positive or negative (that number varies widely depending on who is reporting).

Note that Obama's 2009 H1N1 pandemic always gets broken into two flu seasons when spoken about. Why not the CoVid flu?

Historically the second season of a flu is less severe as herd immunity is kicking in. We are told this second CoVid season will be worse. Really? Why? Oh wait the lockdown is inhibiting herd immunity... dang. But, only time will tell how this second season goes.

Is the 0.3% difference in the chance of catching a CoVid flu from wearing a mask or not, worth the respiratory problems caused by people not understanding how to use masks? 

Mask wearing is an individual choice... until the fascist take over and mandate it. The problem is getting good information. We have lots of "wear a mask" info and supporters. But like the video the information and data are incomplete to the point of being useless for an informed decision. In the US big tech is censoring anything that questions mask usage regardless of how reputable the source.

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3 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Plus, we have moved into the second flu season with CoVid and they are lumping both seasons together. September started the next flu season. Plus the ratio of positive tests versus deaths is changing, fewer deaths per positive tests. We also know the US death numbers include a significant percentage of died with CoVid, not from. We also have evidence colds and other flus are giving positive tests as CoVid. And about 20% of tests are false positive or negative (that number varies widely depending on who is reporting)

not sure where you are picking these numbers from

we can get actual numbers from the CDC website: https://data.cdc.gov/Case-Surveillance/COVID-19-Case-Surveillance-Public-Use-Data-Profile/xigx-wn5e

when look at the actual numbers

of the 447,262 deidentified patients (those requiring hospital care) who had a underlying comorbidity or disease, 67,996 died. 379,266 did not die

67996 / 447262 = 15.2%

this compares to the total deaths 145K of the 5,760K deidentified patients who contracted covid

145 / 5760 = 2.5%

77,000 deidentified patients who did not have a comorbidity or disease, died

145 - 68 = 77

in absolute numbers more previously healthy patients have died than non-healthy patients. On the absolute basis that there are more healthy patients  than non-healthy

while the probability of the unhealthy dying is about 6 times higher than the healthy. more actual previously healthy patients died than did non-healthy patients

i get that you want to expound on your philosophical views and you can do that. For myself tho I prefer to count actual numbers of dead people and actual comorbidity vs non-comorbidity rates, rather than guessing at what they are 

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3 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

CoVid flu

So this drives me crazy. SARS-COV-2 is as similar to influenza as Lassie is to a giant sequoia. For starters, the COVID-19 virus is positive-strand RNA whereas influenza is negative-strand. It would be more apt to call it "COVID polio" because (1) both are +RNA, and (2) they actually have similar presenting symptoms,* fever+headache+sore throat+etc, that in polio later worsen to muscle stiffness and eventual paralysis, while COVID shifts to the lungs and often later to renal, cardiovascular, and nervous systems.

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*Polio is essentially eradicated in the West, but otherwise CDC might categorize it, too, as a diagnostically "influenza like illness" for the superficial similarities of presenting symptoms.

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