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1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

Never fear, Amina...these strong supernatural he-men will guide us through these troubled waters...

 

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Trump is worse.

Joe Wicks has the best hair. Go on, non-Brits, look him up. You're welcome.

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6 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Fixing the wet-markets will require people be fed first.

Sixty-five % of China have access to what we call in America, a Grocery Store.

The wet markets are for rich people because exotic gaming meat is considered a status symbol in China.  

Dr. Fauci would not say what he says in the article below if people were starving which they are not.  Manipulated yes and put into health dangers by crazy superfluous "status symbol" seeking morons, yes.

Plus, with your statement above, I don't think you've read much about wet markets at all let alone even know what goes on there with animals being butchered live in the marketplace where blood, entrails and feces are being mingled with other foods being sold there.  This was a disastrous bio-hazard waiting to happen...and there were signs and knowledge of it already for possibly 15 years or more.   

https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/dr-fauci-says-its-mind-boggling-that-any-of-chinas-wet-markets-are-still-operating/

Edit:  Wet Markets in some countries are a kind of "poaching" but the conditions of the slaughter....well, anyways both are horrendous.  There is so much rich soil in Africa where food and farms could be made.  Other countries as well.  Farm food to end poaching.  

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A new wave of coronavirus cases is spreading deep into rural corners of the country where people once hoped their communities might be shielded because of their isolation from hard-hit urban centers and the natural social distancing of life in the countryside.

The coronavirus has officially reached more than two-thirds of the country’s rural counties, with one in 10 reporting at least one death. Doctors and elected officials are warning that a late-arriving wave of illness could overwhelm rural communities that are older, poorer and sicker than much of the country, and already dangerously short on medical help.

 

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6 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

The wet-markets were the invention of hungry people. The communist system started in 1949 and today it has made vast improvements, according to Chinese politicians, in providing food. For a time China had famine year after year. Most only know about the Great Famines with million died. Now only 150 million are malnourished and the starving live in the outback.

It is only the Communist and Socialist systems that can perpetuate a system that consistently cannot feed its citizens. 70+ years and while they strive to be a world power the lower levels of society lack food.

 

It doesn't mean that they're still hungry. Part of it is tradition. You could make the same argument about eating squirrel brains, which is not uncommon in parts of the United States and can cause deadly brain disease in humans.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-year-in-science-medicine-1997-08

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19 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Part of it is tradition. You could make the same argument about eating squirrel brains, which is not uncommon in parts of the United States and can cause deadly brain disease in humans.

It's tradition for the rich man with perhaps some superstitions entering the "lower classes"....such as good fertility.  

All meat has inherent health hazards.  You are dealing with a dead corpse and blood period.  But, unvaccinated animals slaughtered in a Marketplace for the rich man and his tradition of showing his status symbols...oh my gaaaaaaaaaaawd!!!!!!!!!

As a housewife for 20 years, I needed to speak to my butcher at the local grocer a few times.   The first time was about 20 years ago or so.  He came out of the meat locker in full gown, robe, gloves, plastic hat (PPE pretty much) so I could ask him if he had any soup bones...which he then brought to me.  

Our butchers aren't wearing all this protective gear for the fashion when dealing with the meat they deal with.  

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On 4/7/2020 at 1:10 AM, Jordan Whitt said:

Cyclists who now think they own the roads cos not many people are driving at the moment are peeving me too!

Yes but... cyclists do own the roads as they have an implicit right to use them.  Motorists have to be licensed to be permitted!

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24 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

The sheer stupidity of Kentucky churches.

Just ****ing shut the **** down and do your stupid ****ing services online like every other ****ing church, you ignorant ****ing morons. 

Jesus ****ing Christ. 

It's not just Kentucky.  Unfortunately, you can find that same crap going on in multiple states. Some pastors have even been arrested and cited multiple times, but they continue with the large gatherings.  A Louisiana pastor said he would bring in 27 buses of people for this past Sunday's service - not sure if that many actually showed up.

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/04/05/louisiana-pastor-opens-church-to-27-busloads-of-people-to-fight-the-antichrist/

 

Florida and Colorado, possibly other states, have excluded churches from the Stay at Home orders, though they "encourage" them to maintain the social distancing.  

 

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8 hours ago, Mollymews said:

which enclosed spaces are safe and which are not, is not the rationale for closing non-essential  business premises. The rationale is to minimise travel to and from those spaces outside of our homes. Which is working where I live

With an airborne virus none are 'safe'. Some places are safer than others. My point was the politicians are keeping the more dangerous ones open and closing the safer ones.

There are anecdotal reports of people staying in their apartments in the new eco friendly buildings and still catching the virus. There is more and more evidence and studies showing its airborne. If so, those people staying in large apartment building homes it is not safe.

The idea of 'essential' businesses is a matter of politicians deciding which are necessary. Politicians are not very good at that. Closing truck stop restaurants so truckers moving food and medical supplies couldn't eat was not particularly smart. The decision had to be reversed.

Closing a business has a significant cost, monetarily and socially in ways that are getting very little coverage. The breakin rates are up. Suicide rates are up. Domestic violence is up. Child abuse is up. Drug use and overdose cases are up. Who is comparing the various costs? What about the people that had medical procedures scheduled that are being delayed? The media is avoiding any mention of the costs of the closing of a nation... other than the financial.

Children, despite NBC's fake reporting, are not susceptible in the ways the +50 people are. It seems a significant portion of the 20-40 crowd, according to the NYT, are seriously ill enough to be hospitalized. What they are not clearly reporting is the detail breakdowns. But, the CDC, which NYT is quoting, is not providing the details to make good comparisons. The numbers skew as the +40 people are added into the 20-40 numbers. We could have isolated only the +50 people with much less damage overall then we are doing.

The media hypes the numbers to keep people watching. It is to their short term financial advantage. As more and more people question what they are being told by the media they move to looking at the information sources. As people study the sources the inconsistencies start to show up. For instance China is claiming "No New Cases in Wuhan". The WHO is going along with that claim. Meanwhile, in the US democrat governors and the CDC are telling us that once we discontinue the isolation policies we will see a surge in infections. Someone has it wrong. Would a Communist government lie?

We get photos from the Communist government showing people back out in Wuhan. Satellite photos say not true. The people in Wuhan's surrounding cities and towns riot and block the roads to Wuhan. They don't buy what the Communists are selling.

Isolation blocks the building of herd immunity. So the isolation you think is working may just be a weak dam holding it back and building a larger future surge. So, one should probably define what they mean by 'working'.

People are considering the flu that went through California in November and December. Most say it wasn't the typical flu. But, that it more closely matched the CoVid symptoms. Go on to consider the New York numbers and the California numbers. Why, with California having more Chinese flying in per day (Nov Dec) than NY, does it have lower infection rates? Could it be the rates are similar and we have just omitted the Nov Dec numbers because no one knew what CoVid was before late Dec? Is it possible Californians were building herd immunity? And now the politicians have changed the natural course of immunity building for the worse? 

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9 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

inconsistent and unrealistic death reporting

This is turning out to be a big problem, with an apparent several-fold undercount of COVID-caused deaths. This was kind of suspected because there's no testing of cadavers, and COVID-19 kills by a number of ways unrelated to the respiratory system (particularly heart-, kidney-, and liver-related), so the immediate cause of death often masks the underlying viral cause. And then there's this:

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Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities

If you die at home from the coronavirus, there’s a good chance you won’t be included in the official death toll, because of a discrepancy in New York City’s reporting process. Update: After WNYC/Gothamist's reporting, the city has reversed its position and will count probable COVID-19 deaths that occur at home.

The problem means the city’s official death count is likely far lower than the real toll taken by the virus, according to public health officials.

It also means that victims without access to testing are not being counted, and even epidemiologists are left without a full understanding of the pandemic.

Note the "Update" -- although this only begins to address the problem of COVID-19-caused deaths that were never tested for the virus at all.

(Of course none of this touches the larger impact of "excess deaths" caused by a medical system necessarily dedicated to treating coronavirus almost exclusively. How many cancer patients aren't getting treatment? How many heart stents won't get implanted according to normal treatment schedule? Such effects will result in deaths months from now, in people who never contracted COVID-19. Not relevant to studying how the epidemic spreads, but still a direct result of the virus.)

Y'all must have seen the news that the US intelligence community was circulating evidence of the Chinese outbreak in November. Given an administration not obsessed by tariff negotiations from the 19th century there could have been an adult response by global leadership and nobody outside China needed to die from this.

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3 hours ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

Seriously are you people still at the stupid bat soup meme?

Well, if you think it's "stupid"...than I guess you are bacteria free and don't need your soap and water.

All animals are full of bacteria, us included.  Meat is absolutely 100% bacteria-laden if not handled properly and needs to be kept very cold if not going to be cooked right away.  And, it's far more than "bats"....it's all kinds of poached wild animals at wet markets.  

Although I still think you have a right to think it's stupid if that is what you want to believe.  

Oh yeah, and we need to cook it properly using a meat thermometer to make sure we've killed the bacteria.  I guess I've been doing a lot of needless work all these years.  

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29 minutes ago, Nalates Urriah said:

People are considering the flu that went through California in November and December. Most say it wasn't the typical flu. But, that it more closely matched the CoVid symptoms. Go on to consider the New York numbers and the California numbers. Why, with California having more Chinese flying in per day (Nov Dec) than NY, does it have lower infection rates? Could it be the rates are similar and we have just omitted the Nov Dec numbers because no one knew what CoVid was before late Dec? Is it possible Californians were building herd immunity? And now the politicians have changed the natural course of immunity building for the worse? 

Who is "most people"? When it was happening doctors were saying the strains they were finding from tests, and there's nothing about a mysterious non-typical respiratory illness ravaging the state.

(Sacramento Bee, December 11, 2019.) https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article238254449.html

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1 hour ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Closing a business has a significant cost, monetarily and socially in ways that are getting very little coverage. The breakin rates are up. Suicide rates are up. Domestic violence is up. Child abuse is up. Drug use and overdose cases are up. Who is comparing the various costs? What about the people that had medical procedures scheduled that are being delayed? The media is avoiding any mention of the costs of the closing of a nation... other than the financial.

People who look at the numbers have noticed that mortality actually decreases during an economic downturn. Here's the article. (Lest you think this is MSM spin about the current situation, I should point out that it's from January, 2019.)

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00210-0

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Although we have not been tested, the SO and I are convinced we had Covid-19 in February (USA). It hit him like a ton of bricks and then hit me like a ton of bricks within 24 hours. He brought it home from work at a call center. I came this || close to going to the ER because I could hardly breathe and it hurt to breathe. My chest felt like it was on fire. The flu has never done that to me. In fact, we were told whatever it was we had was definitely not the flu as they did test for that.

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25 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

Although we have not been tested, the SO and I are convinced we had Covid-19 in February (USA). It hit him like a ton of bricks and then hit me like a ton of bricks within 24 hours. He brought it home from work at a call center. I came this || close to going to the ER because I could hardly breathe and it hurt to breathe. My chest felt like it was on fire. The flu has never done that to me. In fact, we were told whatever it was we had was definitely not the flu as they did test for that.

From what I gather, burning lungs are a pretty solid symptom of it. It sounds absolutely horrific. 

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31 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

Although we have not been tested, the SO and I are convinced we had Covid-19 in February (USA). It hit him like a ton of bricks and then hit me like a ton of bricks within 24 hours. He brought it home from work at a call center. I came this || close to going to the ER because I could hardly breathe and it hurt to breathe. My chest felt like it was on fire. The flu has never done that to me. In fact, we were told whatever it was we had was definitely not the flu as they did test for that.

My husband insists that what he had back in mid January was very likely coronavirus.  It was like a flu, but much worse upper respiratory issues.  One of his co-workers in the Philly office is from China and was back there visiting over Christmas and then the whole team was here the second week of Jan.  So maybe.

I had an extreme upper respiratory thing shortly after him - bad enough to send me to the doctor - but I never had a fever, so who knows.

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3 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

My husband insists that what he had back in mid January was very likely coronavirus.  It was like a flu, but much worse upper respiratory issues.  One of his co-workers in the Philly office is from China and was back there visiting over Christmas and then the whole team was here the second week of Jan.  So maybe.

I had an extreme upper respiratory thing shortly after him - bad enough to send me to the doctor - but I never had a fever, so who knows.

Chances are you both had it. It was being spread worldwide before China ever released any info. Come to think on it, it may have been January. End of January beginning of February.

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1 minute ago, Selene Gregoire said:

Chances are you both had it. It was being spread worldwide before China ever released any info. Come to think on it, it may have been January. End of January beginning of February.

Yeah, my husband just corrected my memory - he had that crud the last week of Jan and I had my URI the beginning of Feb.

The only thing that kept me questioning it is that I truly never ever had any sort of fever -- which I thought a definite always symptom.

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7 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Yeah, my husband just corrected my memory - he had that crud the last week of Jan and I had my URI the beginning of Feb.

The only thing that kept me questioning it is that I truly never ever had any sort of fever -- which I thought a definite always symptom.

From what I've read there are those who either don't experience fever or they have a very mild one.

If he had it, you had it. No question of that, imo.

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