Do you need to vent about things COVID-19?

[Luna Bliss]

1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said:

"Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me."

Haha, great graph...and so true.

[Luna Bliss]

2 hours ago, JanuarySwan said:

You're probably wondering...where have you been?  I was in a nursing care facility/rehab for over two years undergoing many therapies including some homeopathic for chronic pain as I refused to undergo another surgery after having three surgeries.   I also did not watch TV in the hospital/rehab, I drew and created art and listened to music on YouTube mostly to relax while I drew. 

I hope you're doing better now.

[Luna Bliss]

1 hour ago, JanuarySwan said:

There is no guarantee the rich would stay here if taxes were raised.  As a matter of fact, I think they would leave which would leave the brunt of the taxes upon the little people eventually and I don't want that.  I don't want to be a Socialist country.  

Yet companies do stay in some social democracies where they pay more taxes, and the people in general have a better standard of living. 

* we already are a socialist country in some respects...socialism for the wealthy..

Edited May 18, 2020 by Luna Bliss

[Mollymews]

4 hours ago, JanuarySwan said:

universal health care

i pick up on what this can mean and applies in most countries where there is a public health service

there is a State which provides a taxpayer-funded and publicly owned basic health service. As the service is taxpayer-funded there is a limit to what the service can provide, and a limit on how many people can be treated at the same time - particularly for elective treatments - there are wait lists because limited funding. For non-elective treatments the basic service will immediately help you heal and help return you to good health. In the basic service, non-elective gets priority over elective

on top of this are privately-funded elective health services, where you don't have to wait if you can afford it

where people get upset with public health services is when they have to wait for elective treatments which they can't afford to buy privately when others can

Orwar mentioned this in a roundabout way earlier. Should he get badly injured in a car crash (non-elective) then the public service will help him back to health immediately at no additional cost to him.  Should his doctor recommend a colonoscopy (elective) and he can't afford to go private and has to wait on the public service then he will be grumpy

[BeautifulXu]

5 hours ago, JanuarySwan said:

Just out of interest, what makes you think "the rich" would stay or live in America to be taxed?  Monaco for example has extremely low taxes as do other places far more attractive places who cater to the rich.  What if all the rich just picked up and moved?  You cannot force a rich person to live in America.  

 

many have left... but there are less and less places to hide out in.  heal the earth for everyone.

[BeautifulXu]

4 hours ago, JanuarySwan said:

I just wanted to say there are ways to get some medical care in America other than private insurance and these include County hospitals and teaching hospitals which can vary in time from a miracle to two years to try to give a timeline.  At teaching hospitals you can receive free health care.  I know many who do receive free health through teaching hospitals and/or free treatment through teaching hospitals in America.  It's not a complete and total loss here as media may make others think in other countries.  But, we could certainly use more free clinics here, with say doctors volunteering one day every two or three months perhaps.  I don't think volunteering is too much to ask for America's own people when there are Doctor's Without Borders who will do charity outside of America....so why not here too...as far as extending it to more free clinics and/or Doctors Within Borders?  I've been thinking about this because of Covid-19.  There are others who need health care too besides the Covid-19 patients.  We need a way for that to start happening.  I was thinking free clinics perhaps.  

but not free to the wealthy.

[JanuarySwan]

5 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I hope you're doing better now.

Yes, much. Thanks!  

 

2 hours ago, BeautifulXu said:

but not free to the wealthy.

No, free clinics are not for the wealthy.  The wealthy have their own private doctors and are usually considered "the best".  Free clinics are usually for people without any health insurance but perhaps could extend to include those with health insurance if no other clinics are currently open.  

 

2 hours ago, BeautifulXu said:

many have left... but there are less and less places to hide out in.  

You may think that...but I don't.  Money can buy just about everything including immigrating into a country.  I don't think taxing the rich in America is the answer nor would it work; the taxes would eventually be put on us little people just like other countries that have this.  There are too many opportunities to live with lower taxes for the rich right now - Monaco the best example which is about 5% lower than the current tax for the wealthy after Trump's lower taxation for the wealthy.  

I think we do need to do something sooner than later though...free clinics during this pandemic for those with issues beyond Covid-19 need help too and that is where my head is at right now.   

Edited May 19, 2020 by JanuarySwan

[Seicher Rae]

This thread has a stated topic about venting about COVID-19, which absolutely can include politics (how can it not?). However, it is not about discussing politics in general. From what I can see the last 5 pages or so have mostly been off topic. That's a great way to have a thread shut down. Just sayin.

[JanuarySwan]

43 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

This thread has a stated topic about venting about COVID-19, which absolutely can include politics (how can it not?). However, it is not about discussing politics in general. From what I can see the last 5 pages or so have mostly been off topic. That's a great way to have a thread shut down. Just sayin.

I think I've said all I have to say about the herd immunity and our frustrations to get "there" and the mess of health care.  I really wish Covid-19 was not happening in an election year.  It seems too much to deal with now.   But, yeah...the focus really needs to stay on Covid-19 because it's living in a way we've never lived before.  How do I vent at the invisible virus.  It's worn me inside and out.  I hate it.  I actually feel like I hate it.  I don't know how to get that feeling out.  I never felt this way before - with this much hate towards something.  

Edited May 19, 2020 by JanuarySwan

[BeautifulXu]

we've lived through the Black Plague and we had much less preparation then we do now. stay clean, eat healthy, stay way from drugs and experimental remedies. eat natural food. drink teas. what did your granny tell you?

[JanuarySwan]

37 minutes ago, BeautifulXu said:

we've lived through the Black Plague and we had much less preparation then we do now. stay clean, eat healthy, stay way from drugs and experimental remedies. eat natural food. drink teas. what did your granny tell you?

I never had any grannies.  One died before I was born; the other died when I was 1 year old.  With my Mom, it was chicken soup.  I became a vegetarian and a person who eats organic foods when I was 17 years old.  I don't drink soda; I don't eat artificial food additives.  I learned a lot about foods and health through studying about it.  But, speaking of tea...I love my iced tea this time of year.  It's something I need.  It relaxes me.  It's a treat to me.  I have some amazing recipes I made up for iced tea by mixing different kinds of tea and adding fresh lime juice and it's one of the best things I ever tasted.  I don't take street drugs.  I don't drink.  I guess I qualify as a "health nut"...though I splurge once in a while. 

I was tested for coronavirus last week.  I have my results now and the test says negative.  Now what?  I don't know.   

If I relax with my iced tea, I may feel a little bit better just because it relaxes me for some reason but if I could vent at this invisible killer, I would.  If some will be held accountable...I don't know but I don't think it was done intentionally.  Whom do I vent at - nature?  Sometimes, I feel like venting at nature for letting us down and I'm angry at nature.  

(my favorite teas I mixed were apple cider and hibiscus teas with fresh lime juice over ice - tastes incredible!) 

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by JanuarySwan

[BeautifulXu]

14 minutes ago, JanuarySwan said:

I never had any grannies.  One died before I was born; the other died when I was 1 year old.  With my Mom, it was chicken soup.  I became a vegetarian and a person who eats organic foods when I was 17 years old.  I don't drink soda; I don't eat artificial food additives.  I learned a lot about foods and health through studying about it.  But, speaking of tea...I love my iced tea this time of year.  It's something I need.  It relaxes me.  It's a treat to me.  I have some amazing recipes I made up for iced tea by mixing different kinds of tea and adding fresh lime juice and it's one of the best things I ever tasted.  I don't take street drugs.  I don't drink.  I guess I qualify as a "health nut"...though I splurge once in a while. 

I was tested for coronavirus last week.  I have my results now and the test says negative.  Now what?  I don't know.   

If I relax with my iced tea, I may feel a little bit better just because it relaxes me for some reason but if I could vent at this invisible killer, I would.  If some will be held accountable...I don't know but I don't think it was done intentionally.  Whom do I vent at - nature?  Sometimes, I feel like venting at nature for letting us down and I'm angry at nature.  

(my favorite teas I mixed were apple cider and hibiscus teas with fresh lime juice over ice - tastes incredible!) 

 

apple cider and hibiscus? great! i want to make a list of teas we can make from natural blossoms and herbs. affordable for everyone! Peach tea is good too.

[Luna Bliss]

11 hours ago, JanuarySwan said:

How do I vent at the invisible virus.  It's worn me inside and out.  I hate it.  I actually feel like I hate it.  I don't know how to get that feeling out.  I never felt this way before - with this much hate towards something.

At this point in time I think Covid-19 was created by those wealthy people you fear upsetting lest they move their businesses overseas. Not really by them per se, but by a mindset that believes we can have infinite growth on a finite planet, and that values economic growth over everything. We intruded into spaces we should not have in a quest for greater economic profits, upsetting the balance already established that kept the virus in check and away from humans.

This is why I like the idea of systems of government that don't believe economic profit is the main goal of life. They value the well-being of a society as much or more.

The US seems to be the epitome of this type of predatory capitalism, where it has been left to grow unchecked to a greater degree than elsewhere.   We're going to have to change this if we want to have a chance of defeating Covid-19 or any other of the pandemics that are sure to come along.

[BeautifulXu]

"you put the lime in the coconut and mix them both together put the lime in the coconut and you feel better!"

[Luna Bliss]

32 minutes ago, JanuarySwan said:

my favorite teas

Love a good cup of tea, just had some plain iced tea with a dash of apple juice. Sometimes I add a dash of pomegranate juice.

[Coffee Pancake]

Coffee. Hot, sweet, easy on the cow juice.

[JanuarySwan]

13 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

At this point in time I think Covid-19 was created by those wealthy people you fear upsetting lest they move their businesses overseas. Not really by them per se, but by a mindset that believes we can have infinite growth on a finite planet, and that values economic growth over everything. We intruded into spaces we should not have in a quest for greater economic profits, upsetting the balance already established that kept the virus in check and away from humans.

Yes, but I'd keep it simple for now and say just the pollution and many of us drive a pollutant - a car.  And then I think of all the nuclear waste and the atomic bombs and on and on it goes.  And, I'm angry at the pollutants too and wonder was it all really necessary?   I gather it's like we manipulated nature and now nature itself is sick.   But, yeah, your right, man made nature sick.  But, what's done is done.  We will undo it somehow and at least be well eventually.  If I believe otherwise, I don't think I could get up in the morning.  Yet, I'm still very, very angry right now.  I don't want to be told any more lies nor half truths about this.  

[Luna Bliss]

1 hour ago, JanuarySwan said:

I gather it's like we manipulated nature and now nature itself is sick.   But, yeah, your right, man made nature sick.

Well man has overrun the place so much that we leave no room for other species. I think the virus might have stayed in its place, spreading around through the animals in the jungle, had we not limited the space it was needing via harvesting various parts of the jungle for human needs.

Then there's the problem of humans thinking they need so much meat. But I'll discuss this on the new thread you started if I get interested in researching viruses a bit more.

[Dano Seale]

3 hours ago, JanuarySwan said:

I was tested for coronavirus last week.  I have my results now and the test says negative.  Now what?  I don't know. 

One guy in the firing squad fired early and missed. Now you just have to hope the other 11 guys miss too!  (or they hold their fire until a vaccine is released.)

[Marigold Devin]

3 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Love a good cup of tea, just had some plain iced tea with a dash of apple juice. Sometimes I add a dash of pomegranate juice.

Not a fan of pomegranate, but ginger tea with lemon is smashing. Really enlivening.

[Marigold Devin]

14 hours ago, JanuarySwan said:

 How do I vent at the invisible virus.  It's worn me inside and out.  I hate it.  I actually feel like I hate it.  I don't know how to get that feeling out.  I never felt this way before - with this much hate towards something.  

This is a conversation I am having in real life with a heck of a lot of people currently. Covid-19 has fudged such a lot up, but it's mainly my friends with grandchildren or elderly parents - and we are in that generation now where every day with elderly parents feels ever more precious as they become frailer - who are feeling rage one minute, that turns into tears of desperation the next. It surely is bringing out some extreme emotions.

We have to believe we will get through it one way or another, and my own coping mechanism is to try not to look further than two weeks from whatever day I'm on. Any farther than that and I can feel insanity hurtling towards me and the rope in my kitchen cupboard calling to me. 

[Selene Gregoire]

I'll be back when LL has gotten rid of the current crop of trolls.

Maybe.

None of this is worth it. I'm not going to stop living life because the rest of humanity wants to be dumb, panicky animals stampeding over a cliff. 

[Luna Bliss]

Adios!

[Luna Bliss]

36 minutes ago, Marigold Devin said:

4 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Love a good cup of tea, just had some plain iced tea with a dash of apple juice. Sometimes I add a dash of pomegranate juice.

Not a fan of pomegranate, but ginger tea with lemon is smashing. Really enlivening.

I love lemon ANYTHING...

[Seicher Rae]

It is beginning to be patently obvious that a small group of people are trying to get THIS thread shut down, too.

The same group has targeted the feelings thread and it got shut down. They are targeting the peeves thread. And this one. Possibly others.

It is the same people, over and over... not difficult to follow that.

Welcome to Grade School people! Get your finger paints out and post. 

Edited May 19, 2020 by Seicher Rae