Do you need to vent about things COVID-19?

[Luna Bliss]

1 hour ago, JanuarySwan said:

As far as health care, paid maternity leave, longer vacations - those are up to most businesses.  Many perks have been taken away from Americans because of businesses who are exporting and importing cheaper labor who do without those perks - those don't have anything to do with the government.  

I don't believe socialism is going to happen any time soon. 

It SHOULD have something to do with the government. We have had a system where employers were responsible to provide health care, paid maternity leave, longer vacations, yes... but in case you haven't noticed many people have lost their jobs due to Covid. Even before Covid the system simply wasn't working, as so many are self-employed and we've moved more into a gig economy (a labor market characterized by the prevalence of short-term contracts or freelance work as opposed to permanent jobs). Countries with a social democracy system are doing much better in this crisis -- they've decided privatizing these services doesn't work well, most notably because many get left out of the system.
I don't think, from what you've posted, that you understand the difference between socialism vs a social democracy.

[Modulated]

1 minute ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Thirty years ago. I don't think that's an issue, but if it is maybe he could take some bleach or something.

The man is nearly 80 years old and has obvious symptoms of cognitive decline.  What do you not understand? There is no way he should be President of anything.

[JanuarySwan]

5 minutes ago, Modulated said:

Please watch any of Biden's last 5 or 6 interviews then get back to me . Thanks.

I'll watch a few then.  Deal?  

[Luna Bliss]

2 minutes ago, Modulated said:

The man is nearly 80 years old and has obvious symptoms of cognitive decline.  What do you not understand? There is no way he should be President of anything.

I'd take somebody who isn't quite at the top of their game anymore over an evil narcissist whose main objective is to funnel more money to his own pocket and those of his wealthy buddies any day.

[Modulated]

4 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

I'd take somebody who isn't quite at the top of their game anymore over an evil narcissist whose main objective is to funnel more money to his own pocket and those of his wealthy buddies any day.

Speaks volumes, really.

[Luna Bliss]

Just now, Modulated said:

5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

I'd take somebody who isn't quite at the top of their game anymore over an evil narcissist whose main objective is to funnel more money to his own pocket and those of his wealthy buddies any day.

Speaks volumes, really.

You call this debate?

[Modulated]

12 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

You call this debate?

You only debate when you are trying to convince someone of something . I have no need in that. I am confident in what I stated because it's true.

[Selene Gregoire]

7 hours ago, Marigold Devin said:

Well put!

If everyone really could see who had got this condition, the world would deal with the narcissists better - thinking people just think narcs are those who like to take selfies all the time, when there is so MUCH else - even narcs don't realise they are narcs. Not just with world leaders either. 

But I veer off topic just slightly here. 

Most humans have at least a touch of NPD, which is perfectly normal. 

[Lyssa Greymoon]

24 minutes ago, Modulated said:

The man is nearly 80 years old and has obvious symptoms of cognitive decline.  What do you not understand? There is no way he should be President of anything.

What I do not understand is why anyone voted for him over Bernie Sanders, but those are the cards that were dealt, and between him and Lysol Don, he's the least bad choice.

[Selene Gregoire]

36 minutes ago, Modulated said:

 

Lets all just be snarky and pretend there's not actually something wrong with Biden's cognitive abilities. The man suffered a massive aneurysm. and that does lead to cognitive decline. Just witness any of his interviews of late , and it's so obvious something is wrong. But please, continue the snark fest about Trump, by all means .  🙄

No, Biden didn't suffer a massive aneurysm. It would have killed him like it killed my mother.

As for the dead thing in the Oval Office, it stinks to high heaven.

[Luna Bliss]

1 minute ago, Modulated said:

14 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

You call this debate?

You only debate when you are trying to convince someone of something . I have no need in that. I am confident in what I stated because it's true.

I debate with another when we are trying to arrive at truth. While I may, as I present my position, be fairly convinced how I'm seeing things is the truth, I am open to changing my views.

To totally believe what you always state is the truth, to be "confident" in that, as you say, is the main characteristic of an idiot.

[Modulated]

1 minute ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

What I do not understand is why anyone voted for him over Bernie Sanders, but those are the cards that were dealt, and between him and Lysol Don, he's the least bad choice.

So let me get this right. People have a tantrum over 'old white men' running the country....but people sidestepped Warren, Harris and others for Biden-an old white guy with early onset dementia. And he's the best choice? 😆

[Luna Bliss]

2 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

What I do not understand is why anyone voted for him over Bernie Sanders, but those are the cards that were dealt, and between him and Lysol Don, he's the least bad choice.

Not voting for 'health care for all' in the middle of a pandemic only shows me that America is indeed, crazy.

[Modulated]

2 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

No, Biden didn't suffer a massive aneurysm. It would have killed him like it killed my mother.

As for the dead thing in the Oval Office, it stinks to high heaven.

People survive them, but usually have collateral damage of some sort, such as eventual cognitive decline and or dementia like Biden. Sorry about your mother.

[Lyssa Greymoon]

3 minutes ago, Modulated said:

So let me get this right.

Good luck with that!

[Luna Bliss]

3 minutes ago, Modulated said:

So let me get this right. People have a tantrum over 'old white men' running the country....but people sidestepped Warren, Harris and others for Biden-an old white guy with early onset dementia. And he's the best choice? 😆

In times of crisis people tend to choose what they believe is safe.   A woman, a black woman, a gay person, or someone many believe is a socialist -- that bucks the status quo and is not the safest choice (in their mind).

[Selene Gregoire]

3 minutes ago, Modulated said:

People survive them, but usually have collateral damage of some sort, such as eventual cognitive decline and or dementia like Biden. Sorry about your mother.

Oh wonderful. Another know it all. *plonk*

[Modulated]

Just now, Luna Bliss said:

In times of crisis people tend to choose what they believe is safe.   A woman, a black woman, a gay person, or someone many believe is a socialist -- that bucks the status quo and is not the safest choice (in their mind).

Yeah nothing says safety like someone with dementia running things. /s

[Luna Bliss]

Just now, Modulated said:

1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

In times of crisis people tend to choose what they believe is safe.   A woman, a black woman, a gay person, or someone many believe is a socialist -- that bucks the status quo and is not the safest choice (in their mind).

Yeah nothing says safety like someone with dementia running things. /s

Safe-ER is the issue.

And i don't think he has dementia, I think he's not at the top of his game for sure, and that happens as people age. They lose words, they don't speak as well, they're not as quick. They slow down, basically.  Best not to try and teach them a new interface on their iphone. But their wisdom and problem solving skills are still there.

[Modulated]

6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

.....But their wisdom and problem solving skills are still there.

No , just no.

[Luna Bliss]

Just now, Modulated said:

7 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

.....But their wisdom and problem solving skills are still there.

No , just no.

Have you studied consciousness and the brain as I have?  Reviewed the many peer-reviewed tests on brain function and how it changes over time?

Or exactly what do you base your opinion on?

[Orwar]

17 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Bernie Sanders

   I don't really care about American politics - or politics in general - but take it from someone who's living in a socialist country: it all sounds nice and fuzzy, but it's the same thing with just higher taxes. We've got some of the highest taxes in the world, and still we don't have enough hospital staff, can't pay our teachers, can't take care of our elderly, our military is so underfunded our generals are openly saying that we couldn't lift a finger if anyone were to attack, and our police don't have the resources to do a thing about the whole 'people are being blown to bits and shot in the open street' ordeal. 

   But we can afford tax-sponsored menstruation art and gender studies, yay? 

[Luna Bliss]

14 minutes ago, Orwar said:

43 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

Bernie Sanders

   I don't really care about American politics - or politics in general - but take it from someone who's living in a socialist country: it all sounds nice and fuzzy, but it's the same thing with just higher taxes. We've got some of the highest taxes in the world, and still we don't have enough hospital staff, can't pay our teachers, can't take care of our elderly, our military is so underfunded our generals are openly saying that we couldn't lift a finger if anyone were to attack, and our police don't have the resources to do a thing about the whole 'people are being blown to bits and shot in the open street' ordeal. 

   But we can afford tax-sponsored menstruation art and gender studies, yay? 

You need to add up all the things those in the US have to pay for out of pocket -- it's considerable (health care & health insurance, child care, college education, and more) to see that what we pay for these services far exceeds the higher taxes you pay.
Nobody says a social democracy is perfect by any means, but one thing it doesn't tend to do is take a section of society (the poor) and leave them out simply because they are poor -- this is the freaking point!

* The poor pay less taxes there right?  Yet they receive most of the services the wealthy do.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Luna Bliss

[JanuarySwan]

56 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

It SHOULD have something to do with the government. We have had a system where employers were responsible to provide health care, paid maternity leave, longer vacations, yes... but in case you haven't noticed many people have lost their jobs due to Covid. Even before Covid the system simply wasn't working, as so many are self-employed and we've moved more into a gig economy (a labor market characterized by the prevalence of short-term contracts or freelance work as opposed to permanent jobs). Countries with a social democracy system are doing much better in this crisis -- they've decided privatizing these services doesn't work well, most notably because many get left out of the system.
I don't think, from what you've posted, that you understand the difference between socialism vs a social democracy.

My Mom is the last person I personally know to have been part of a union and to have a pension.  Her employers provided that under union rules, not government rules.

But, actually, no I don't understand the difference between socialism versus a social democracy.

However, what I stated is true about homeless drug addicts.  They don't want help.  They don't want to be put in some kind of an insane asylum.  

Ireland has a place for Heroin addicts called The Seven Towers.  You can hear Bono mention The Seven Towers in u2's song "Bad".  "I took the poison from the poison stream and I floated out of here."  We don't have housing for hardcore drug addicts whom are sick from the drugs.  I don't think giving them clean needles and then to live on the streets is a good idea.  I think the hardcore drug addicts should be housed in some way like Ireland but we could be here all day talking about the ills of all of this.  I just don't have the time to devote to it.  If you do, I hope you can channel your enthusiasm for change into realities for "the poor" including the hardcore drug addicts whom many have said they do not want help nor do they want to be caged.  I know I spoke with an AA counselor recently about someone in my immediate environment.  She said "We cannot help people who don't want help.  There is nothing we can do."  So, what I am saying is true about hardcore drug addicts.  Currently, there is nothing we can do.  Others who are not hardcore drug addicts should not be homeless either.   But, I just don't have time to devote to it.  

In regards to private business.  They cannot go public (issue stock) unless they are private first.   This is the problem with the USPS.  If it goes private, it can then go public and issue stock and receive some of it's profits from investors rather than just keep hiking prices for rich CEO's to where the USPS cannot compete with other shipping services.  It's so involved Luna.  I just don't have time to get into it all.   

[Lyssa Greymoon]

1 minute ago, JanuarySwan said:

This is the problem with the USPS.  If it goes private, it can then go public and

The USPS is a government agency. The only problem it has is the Republican attempts to destroy it, presumably because they hate anything the government does that works.