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12 hours ago, Jordan Whitt said:
On 2/19/2021 at 10:39 AM, Luna Bliss said:

We must know the real cause of a problem before it can be solved

 

12 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:

Thought it was obvious. 

Me too @Drayke Newall.  I thought the answer to the causes of all the world's problems were...in no particular order...

  1. Trump
  2. White privilege
  3. Men

Men, white privilege, Trump -- these are only manifestations of the root cause of all our woes -- humankind's obsession with ownership. Why do we feel the need to own, hoard, commodify -- to grab and possess what truly can't be be grasped?  Fear of death.

Getting more, conquering nature, controlling our surroundings, insulating ourselves against the inevitability of death. Humankind's consciousness is in some ways a curse -- how wonderful instead to be a little kitty, just enjoying the present moment and not worrying what they need to do to stave off the inevitable.

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“The ownership of land is not natural. The American savage, ranging through forests who game and timber are the common benefits of all his kind, fails to comprehend it. The nomad traversing the desert does not ask to whom belong the shifting sands that extend around him as far as the horizon. The Caledonian shepherd leads his flock to graze wherever a patch of nutritious greenness shows amidst the heather. All of these recognise authority. They are not anarchists. They have chieftains and overlords to whom they are as romantically devoted as any European subject might be to a monarch. Nor do they hold as the first Christians did, that all land should be held in common. Rather, they do not consider it as a thing that can be parceled out.

“We are not so innocent. When humanity first understood that a man’s strength could create good to be marketed, that a woman’s beauty was itself a commodity for trade, then slavery was born. So since Adam learnt to force the earth to feed him, fertile ground has become too profitable to be left in peace.

“This vital stuff that lives beneath our feet is a treasury of all times. The past: it is packed with metals and sparkling stones, riches made by the work of aeons. The future: it contains seeds and eggs: tight-packed promises which will unfurl into wonders more fantastical than ever jeweller dreamed of -- the scuttling centipede, the many-branched tree whose roots, fumbling down into darkness, are as large and cunningly shaped as the boughs that toss in light. The present: it teems. At barely a spade’s depth the mouldy-warp travels beneath my feet: who can imagine what may live a fathom down? We cannot know for certain that the fables of serpents curving around roots of mighty trees, or of dragons guarding treasure in perpetual darkness, are without factual reality.

“How can any man own a thing so volatile and so rich? Yet we followers of Cain have made of our world a great carpet, whose pieces can be lopped off and traded as though it were inert as tufted wool.”
Lucy Hughes-Hallett, Peculiar Ground

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40 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

"Savage." 

Do people even bother to read what they quote? 😬

She's calling the Americans savages -- not Natives. As you know, especially in early times Native Americans were perceived as savages. And so she has twisted this around to proclaim who was really savage -- those coming from afar and 'settling' America via murdering Natives and stealing the land from them in the quest for ownership.

“The ownership of land is not natural. The American savage, ranging through forests who game and timber are the common benefits of all his kind, fails to comprehend it".

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What is it about the Western world that caused such greediness, such commodification, such obsession with possessions?  Why did the Aboriginal mind retain more balance, more a sense of being a part of the earth and the death that goes along with being human, as opposed to conquering earth and hoarding up as much as possible?  

Whatever the case, I guess we are now, us Westerners, coming more to terms with death in our Covid crisis. Will it cause us to hoard less, and to have better values?

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Welp y'all have been warned before about keeping this thread on topic but it continues to delve into Politics and other off topic subjects. So consider this thread closed. If something similar is started up again please keep it on topic (although I am pretty certain after 136 pages of a new thread it will be closed too for repeatedly going off topic)

Have a great weekend everyone!

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