Jump to content

Log house regions water level at 50 m cause rendering glitches


You are about to reply to a thread that has been inactive for 201 days.

Please take a moment to consider if this thread is worth bumping.

Recommended Posts

@Abnor Mole @Patch Linden

The different water level in the log house lakes (50 m) and sea water level (20 m) shows the different water levels rendering glitch at sea coast.
Why different water level for the lakes was chosen, this glitch has existed "for ever"?
Looking from different angles at the coastline it's easy to see both water levels.

Camera looking from SSPE1156 region towards north.

2020-04-01_water-level-differencies-glitch.thumb.jpg.1e59215a325ed7108ff959527570aa9a.jpg

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, we know. That's why the regions adjacent to them have (or will have) hills and content to block the view of the water level on the horizon from your homes.

Edited by Abnor Mole
  • Like 4
  • Thanks 8
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Abnor Mole said:

Yes, we know. That's why the regions adjacent to them have (or will have) hills and content to block the view of the water level on the horizon from your homes.

What was the reason to put the lakes water level at 50 meters? This is what I'm wondering. Now it's impossible to connect the lakes to the sea with navigable waterways. Which is kind of pity.

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, Coby Foden said:

What was the reason to put the lakes water level at 50 meters? This is what I'm wondering. Now it's impossible to connect the lakes to the sea with navigable waterways. Which is kind of pity.

Hm. It's too bad that SL never has had a standard for prim water, understood by all swim HUDs, AOs, and boats. Then we could build locks. As well as swimming pools, of course.

There's something called a "marine railway", a cradle which picks up a boat in one place and moves it somewhere else. I have something like that so I can launch my boat across the beach in Reeds Landing. But it's sized to the boat. An adjustable-sized one would be a nice piece of work.

Leave space for a connection between the water levels, please. Maybe someone will design a solution.

 

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

This is truly a daft LL decision.  Just when I was about to applaud the new lands as moving towards joining the continents, we discover the idiots have used a different water height, so it can NEVER join the continents.  Foot, Aim, Shoot.

Edit:  Before you react, see my withdrawal below.  My bad.

Edited by anna2358
apology
  • Sad 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Coby Foden said:

What was the reason to put the lakes water level at 50 meters? This is what I'm wondering. Now it's impossible to connect the lakes to the sea with navigable waterways. Which is kind of pity.

The log homes were always meant to be in the mountains. We wanted to add lakes and rivers within those mountains (because everyone loves water views). We knew we could never make them all into a contiguous waterway that could connect to the open ocean anyway (because of the way they are made from multiregion templates connected in a jumbled order like tetris pieces, and with the water at 20m there would be deep gorges everywhere, making it impossible to place enough house parcels on. So we went with a raised water level and using land to mask the "water glitch" when viewed at ground level. You can rez and sail small boats to use on many of the inland lakes, but we always knew they had to be inland lakes or no lakes at all. 

  • Like 7
  • Thanks 12
Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, anna2358 said:

This is truly a daft LL decision.  Just when I was about to applaud the new lands as moving towards joining the continents, we discover the idiots have used a different water height, so it can NEVER join the continents.  Foot, Aim, Shoot.

You can always sail around the outside. You know... like you have to do around real continents. 😉

Edited by Abnor Mole
  • Like 11
  • Thanks 4
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Abnor Mole said:

You can always sail around the outside. You know... like you have to do around real continents.

Okay, I forgive you then :)  PLEASE keep joinin' the continents.

Edit.  After going on-line and actually trying it.  I am amazed at the number of sims between, e.g. Knapping, and SSPE1160, with nothing but mountains, and sea level at +20M.  Well done!

Edited by anna2358
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

The log homes were always meant to be in the mountains. We wanted to add lakes and rivers within those mountains (because everyone loves water views). 

And you nailed it!!!

  • Like 4
  • Thanks 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

The log homes were always meant to be in the mountains. We wanted to add lakes and rivers within those mountains (because everyone loves water views). We knew we could never make them all into a contiguous waterway that could connect to the open ocean anyway (because of the way they are made from multiregion templates connected in a jumbled order like tetris pieces, and with the water at 20m there would be deep gorges everywhere, making it impossible to place enough house parcels on. So we went with a raised water level and using land to mask the "water glitch" when viewed at ground level. You can rez and sail small boats to use on many of the inland lakes, but we always knew they had to be inland lakes or no lakes at all. 

Why only mountains?  You've got a great opportunity here to create a multi-regional 30 meter high waterfall.  Call 'em Notnagginya Falls lol

  • Haha 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Abnor Mole said:

You can always sail around the outside. You know... like you have to do around real continents. 😉

A RL example of water levels... Quickly figured, not accurately recited.   Is that Lake Erie level is approx. 174m above sea level.   Lake Ontario is approx. 74m above seas.    There's a 40km canal with locks to connect them for navigation. 

So point is.... Belli continues to develop as nearly resembling RL! 

Edited by TechDave
  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, anna2358 said:

Okay, I forgive you then :)  PLEASE keep joinin' the continents.

Edit.  After going on-line and actually trying it.  I am amazed at the number of sims between, e.g. Knapping, and SSPE1160, with nothing but mountains, and sea level at +20M.  Well done!

Perhaps you should have went online and tried it "before" calling people who are working extremely hard "daft" and "idiots". A little kindness and patience goes a long way, hooman. 

🐹

  • Like 11
  • Thanks 5
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, JessycaJayne said:

Perhaps you should have went online and tried it "before" calling people who are working extremely hard "daft" and "idiots". A little kindness and patience goes a long way, hooman. 

Unlike most people here, I do apologise when I'm wrong.

I also apologise to you, for getting your ire up.❤

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

OK, just a general point. Mountain areas with lakes are pretty common, and the local water level is the baseline for everything, visually. So a mountain region could be made with a 20m water level. But the transition from mountain to coast would be difficult. One RL example I know is 25m in 10km (I just checked)  which is less than 1m change per region, but distances in SL are rather compressed.

We do have other continental areas with higher-level water. They must have looked odd while under construction.

It would be nice if we did have standard way of having sailable/swimmable/visual water other than the ancient sea-level thing, but I'm not holding my breath.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The vast majority of lakes up in the Rocky Mountains do not connect with the rivers and ultimately the ocean, but there sure are a ton of log homes up there and lots of water vehicles out and about during good weather.  Even a lot of the waterways that do ultimately connect to the oceans are still not navigable all the way through because they flow under and through the mountains.

And yeah, since the Rocky Mountains here is Colorado range from 10,000 - 14,000 ft high, there is definitely a lot of difference in the water levels between that and the oceans.

 

  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

There are parts of old mainland that also do this and have it at 80. And likewise they have features splitting them off from lower water. Pretty normal for the moles to do this.

Yes, I have seen the different water levels glitch in Sansara. Sometimes it shows, often it does not show. Whether it shows or not depend also on the avatar location and camera location in respect to the avatar. The high hills at coast line in the Bellisseria log house regions seem to be working pretty well in hiding the glitch. In normal viewing condition the glitch does not show. I flew long route via the coastline regions, no water glitch seen at all. Which is great. 🙂

However the glitch can be seen if you really are after seeing it. I made some tests and I noticed that when the avatar is many regions away from the coast line and then cams to the coastline the different water level glitch appears to view. The sea water level and the lake water level are seen at the same time. But it's indeed very rare to see the glitch in normal viewing.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

If it's a choice between experiencing a rare and ephemeral visual glitch and losing the unique topographical features that make exploring Bellisseria interesting, gimme the glitches any day.

Snapshot_013.thumb.png.689d041d73c126be93aeec0b9bc2d171.png

 

Edited by Lukas Thetan
I love waterfalls!
  • Like 14
Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Lukas Thetan said:

If it's a choice between experiencing a rare and ephemeral visual glitch and losing the unique topographical features that make exploring Bellisseria interesting, gimme the glitches any day.

Agreed! (I love waterfalls, too!)

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

I was trying to replicate the visual glitch, and found that the only way I could successfully do it was to put my camera underground. I'll admit to having seen that glitch unexpectedly in the wild once or twice, maybe due to lag or some other unexpected issue. I honestly don't know.

Snapshot_018.thumb.png.cdc77f8e39c60ca1c88dc954b9acd282.png

This is another shot of one of my favorite waterfalls as viewed from underneath the nearby hillside. Not a visual I would normally see under typical circumstances.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Water coming down in waterfall from a higher lake to a lower lake or the sea indeed is beautiful feature even in SL. But all of them have the different water levels glitch. The glitch is always there, when adjacent regions have different water levels. The glitch is even very easy to see (no need to look from underground).

Here I'm standing near the log cabin bridge at http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Hooten Holler/15/66/35 near the border of http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Tinwhistle/241/44/35 Zooming away from my avatar to see the waterfall. All is good so far.

2020-04-02_Waterfall-1.jpg.8f87888f869f457b330e65a56b0dae67.jpg


Then still standing on the same spot I see something interesting down. I lower my camera gradually to see better what's there. Then this happens at certain point when camera is lower (not anywhere near underground). But the scene looks like it's underwater scene. And it is exactly that. The camera is few meters lower that the lake surface is at Tinwhistle region and thus the glitch happens.

2020-04-02_waterfall-2.jpg.72c8b681f2a616742991769366daa98b.jpg

To see the lower lake shore properly I need to step to the same region where the lower lake is (Tinwhistle). No more water glitch. I can also walk down there and there is not glitch. So it depends on the avatar's location and on the camera's location when we see the glitch and when not. I see this glitch often as I'm always eagerly camming around when exploring places.

Well, we can avoid seeing the glitch by not camming like have I explained here. 😃

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Coby, thank you for explaining the issue so that I could replicate it. The viewer seems to be using the water level at the avatar location rather than at the cam location, which causes that anomaly. It seems to happen regardless of Firestorm's LookAt privacy settings, and it doesn't matter if you use the CTL-ALT-click method or a SpaceNav to move the camera. I don't have access to the official viewer to test it there. I'm betting there is a JIRA open on this issue, because the problem is fairly straightforward. If there isn't, there should be.

Anyway, here is a pair of merged screenshots of the waterfall showing the issue in all of its gorey glory. The left shot is using the water level at the avatar position on the far region, and the right image shows how it should look once LL fixes the issue in the codebase.

camglitch.thumb.png.361efb05e5612e758bba806a181acb7e.png

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
You are about to reply to a thread that has been inactive for 201 days.

Please take a moment to consider if this thread is worth bumping.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...