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Would you kindly stop using your fetshame brush to paint kinky people into child molesters?  No one gives a flying f whether a given kink doesn't appeal to you, Karen.  Again, go to Fetlife, and this

Though many have said my thoughts more succinctly I thought I would jump in for a moment with my thoughts.  I play as a child avatar who is about 11 or 12 years old. I doubt she'll get older and

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There could be Gummybear avatars...why not?  And, that does sound cute.  I've danced with small dancing flower avatars...very cute.

It's not easy to separate this mostly adult Second Life to allow other kinds of avatars but there are all kinds of other avatars if you've ever looked on Marketplace.  Where do you want other avatars to go?  No where?  I'd ask some people.  

The tiny community is a bunch of pretty darn terrific people.  We've had events with 80+ tinies because it's very low lag to NO lag whatsoever.  We all built a float for Mardi Gras and drove our floats around for five laps at Raglan Shire.  Raglan Shire is considered "home" to many tinies.  It's a good place to start.  Join Small Talk to find other G and PG events.  An occasional non tiny friendly place might be posted there but it's very seldom and for those, report to the moderators of any groups you join.  An adult place could be posted there...for that, it's your choice to go or not.  For myself, I pick not to go to Adult because I went to an Adult event two times and it was in my word "uncomfortable".   

It's usually not sexual anything, the most problem is the place was not tiny friendly and you simply report to the moderators.  If it's sexual anything, report to Linden Lab.  But, you get familiar with the sims that actually are tiny and family friendly and they are great communities.  Teens are welcome too and I don't see why youngers wouldn't be allowed in the tiny community.  Chat in the group I suggested and ask what they recommend for toddler avatars is as I've never seen any but I have seen teens.   But, remember people, there are moderators looking after all the tinies.  

It would be better if there were a spin off for Tinyland...all I can say is that the Lindens have talked about a separate Tinyland which would NOT be an Adult rated MMO.   But talked is all I know...will a Tinyland ever happen?  I have no idea.  It depends on money because would it be lucrative for them to do so.  Now, with the thought of "safer at home" it might be...but that is only a "might be" as far as I know.  Plus, LL is currently working on moving to cloud servers right now.  The interesting thing about tinies is they can use a lot of the older stuff...they don't need much of the Bento stuff - tinies can use a lot of the non-bento animations for example, and most of the accessories if they aren't rigged can be used by tinies.  

Here's a video of our Mardi Gras parade 2020:  (If you are afraid of links like it might have a virus...Go to Youtube and type in Raglan Shire Mardi Gras 2020 and you will find this video.  You may want to view it just to see how no lag it is.)

  

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Don't let the bullies win!  For me, being a kid avi in SL brings me alot of joy and for a little while I don't have to "adult "   Be who you want to be in SL,  who brings you joy.  Don't let them steal your joy!  <3

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On 4/6/2020 at 12:27 AM, gudetama00 said:

I took a couple of days to post this because I, honestly, I wasn't sure if I wanted to make this public of go straight to a Linden. I had to gather my thoughts and finally decided. In this public avenue all I'll say is that I'm no longer going to use my child avatar. Having people say it's weird really didn't phase me because I knew what my intentions were and still know there are good child avies out there. However, after late Friday (ironically not long after my last post here) I encountered something that made my skin crawl. I still know that there are good child avies out there but I can no longer participate in it knowing with my own two eyes now, the depravity some can go to. I'm not apart of the problem but I refuse to be lumped into a group like that simply out of commonality. And I don't wish to leave Second Life, so I guess it's time for a change. For  those here who wish to RP as a child (and aren't weirdos) I wish you the best but I can't anymore. Sorry for being so vague but trust I will not be with a Linden. I'm going to file a report ticket now. 

It's unfortunate that some probably pervert ruined it for you. But you could say the same thing about any groups of avatars. I have an adult alt and hate playing him because it seems like all there is to do is go to clubs and try to pick up women for fake adult time. I know that not every adult avatar does that, just as I know not everyone is into what you are referring to. It just frustrates me how quickly people make a special case out of child avatars and vilify them when I'm in a roleplay finding group (the admins know I play a child) and nearly every post is about kidnapping, non-consensual activities, slavery, and and other stuff. Why are kids the freaks where there are people into Gor, slavery, hanging defeated avatars on the wall like a deer head, or whatever else? You shouldn't have to stop playing the character you want just because someone broke the rules.

And P.S. Everyone hates babytalk. I have a very young niece and nephew and have never heard them babytalk past diaper age. I teach kindergarten kids who don't babytalk. Everyone also hates spammy gestures that flood chat or are an audio clip of a kid screaming at the top of their lungs repeatedly. I think we can all get behind disliking annoying, abusive play, but we should also be able to separate that from stereotypes or scapegoating something we don't understand.

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I had the most wonderful escape last night.  Totally forgot about the Corona Virus.  A fellow teen invited me to a g-rated skateboard/BMX park, which even had a bike rezzer.  So much fun riding around and doing jumps.  Even more fun than places I've gone with my main account/adult avi:  Car racing tracks, horse riding rodeos, and such.  Those had too many rules, too much competition, everyone playing only one at a time, and some announcer taking over the chat.

Adulthood shouldn't suck the fun out of play.  I guess if real life were The Sims, my Playfulness setting would be a ten.  Thinking about the other folks, who range from sticks-in-the-mud to downright nasty, makes me sad.  I hope they awaken their inner children and embrace the joy of play.  Heck, it's how we learn, at an early age.  It's how some of us continue to learn in adulthood.  I would never have been able to land my first tech support job if I hadn't had a curious and playful approach to software, trying to figure out what various buttons and functions do, instead of being overwhelmed and just letting the people who "know computers" deal with it.  And yep, I'm a bit older, if I remember phrases like "Do you know computers?" lol

Sad that some folks loose their sense of wonder and curiosity with the world.  Even sadder is the hypocrisy of escaping into a virtual world only to turn around and judge others for their play choices.  indeed, THEY are the REAL children here, as juvenile as the mean girl in kindergarten who berates you for selecting the purple crayon from the box of Crayolas.  "Ewwwwwww!  I hate purple!"

To which all I can say to you folks who are acting like that, is this:  "Well, at least I didn't pick brown, like you did.  Your crayon looks like a doodie bomb."

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On 4/24/2020 at 7:00 AM, FairreLilette said:

It's not easy to separate this mostly adult Second Life to allow other kinds of avatars

 

 

 

  

I had to chuckle a bit, as that's actually an argument that goes back to the beginning of SL, pre-Zindra.  Brings back memories, and the song remains the same after so many years.  Thanks for the memories. 🙂

There was a significant portion of the player base that was concerned SL would fizzle due to public perception of it being nothing more than low-rez interactive porn.  They'd get quite upset at suggestions that SL is mostly a sexual game, to the point where some wanted such play banned entirely.  On the other side were folks who wanted SL to be predominantly sexual, wanted the "prudes" to go away, and called for the removal of all underage avis, as this is inappropriate in a sexual game.  Sound familiar?  The remnants of this school of thought are still with us today.  The middle ground realized you could have both styles of play, sexual and nonsexual, and that indeed the game was even set up that way with region ratings.  Heck, a lot of folks played in both General and Adult regions (while wearing appropriate avis, of course) as suited their mood.

Zindra solved the issue to some extent, though you will still find some folks upset about the forced migration of adult business owners off of the Mainland and onto Zindra.  If you go to Zindra, you consent to seeing sexual stuff, and can't clutch your pearls about it.  You're also forbidden to be wearing an underage avi.

There are still tons of non-sexual play in SL, as your wonderful parade shows.  Belleserria, for the most part, tends to be non-sexual play as well, other than couples behind closed doors on locked parcels with the curtains drawn.  Roleplay sims, like elves, sci-fi, or combat, while not necessarily sexual aren't necessarily aimed at the kids and family crowd either.  Meanwhile, the sex places have found their niches as well.

That's the beauty of Second Life:  There's something here for everyone.  🙂

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On 5/7/2020 at 4:29 AM, HarrisonMcKenzie said:

 

And P.S. Everyone hates babytalk. I have a very young niece and nephew and have never heard them babytalk past diaper age. I teach kindergarten kids who don't babytalk. Everyone also hates spammy gestures that flood chat or are an audio clip of a kid screaming at the top of their lungs repeatedly.

 

Can't stand that either.

And my apologies to whomever thought my post spoofing such in-game spam was a personal attack against them.  It wasn't.  Please feel free to send me a private message if you need to clear that up.

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While I, personally, don't and will never have a child avatar, I've nothing against those that do and use them responsibly. Some good friends of mine have them. Just isn't my thing. So long as you aren't doing anything wrong, more power to you.

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I often see similar questions asked, like, Why are there no children in GTA V? And then, I know that ppl even reading the question already know why. :( 

I myself often play as Chloe. She's around 16. Exploring the many wonders of SL, thru the eyes of an era when the world looked so much more innocent, I feel generally befits my SL experience. She's very much PG, though.

Preteen children in SL, while I heard, and can imagine, any number of valid reasons, I must admit, feels almost immediately creepy to me. :( Likely because I'm not 16 years old any more, and usually ten or so red flags go off, inside my head, when I see child avatars -- especially in the neighborhood of grown men. Not counting dear friends of mine who are just being a loving mother with their babies/toddlers, of course. 😉 That's different. That's just life. The other thing, I suppose that's life too, but not the sort of life I want to have anything to do with.

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Oh what a shocking confession I am about to make, to anyone who doesn't already know this. I have a child avatar alt. I may even dust her off some time this weekend and take her for a spin. I am so sick of "grown up" arguments on the forums and grown up stuff in real life, it may be nice to go and find myself a funfair and be ignored, because I am a child avatar, although I usually meet with other child avatar friends, which is a whole lot of fun, being a kid again, with no worries, just having fun for fun's sake.

Do we grown ups even know how to have fun any more? When was the last time you donned roller or ice skates?  Properly played with something? With a clear conscience?

Although usually, when I go in as a child avatar, I tend to get some clever arse threatening to pour boiling oil over me because they have issues!

I am me. In whatever form. Human female, child, cockatiel, cat, cupcake, giant racing snail (yes, honestly!!!!)

For me there is nothing at all sinister about roleplaying any of the above.

Although going to the darker side of Second Life, there are a fair few who roleplay as kids and with kid avatars, and they give the rest a bl00dy bad name!

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2 hours ago, Marigold Devin said:

I am so sick of "grown up" arguments on the forums and grown up stuff in real life, it may be nice to go and find myself a funfair and be ignored, because I am a child avatar, although I usually meet with other child avatar friends, which is a whole lot of fun, being a kid again, with no worries, just having fun for fun's sake.

I feel very much the same and that's exactly how I feel...fun/no worries.  Being a Dinkie, which is a tiny Cat that has a human child-like personality, she "plays" and it reminded me of being little when playing was actually on the schedule.  I remembered being with all my childhood friends and how we could make fun together with very little effort and spur of the moment...just fun in a thousand and one ways thought up in a minute.  Being a grown-up, it can take months just to get one party or picnic with family planned.   Me and my friends were more fluent as children; whereas, today a bit more rigid to just get us all scheduled for one real life get-together.  

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Other Stuff About Being Child-Like:

Oh my gaaaaaah...my Dinkie can dance too!  It's so cute.  I have choreographed several dances for her and she is a little bit awkward which gives it a bit of realism like a child dancing with their Mom.  If only I could figure out how to make Macinemas but Macinemas are very difficult to learn.  I wish everyone could see just how cute and capable Dinkies are of doing the non-Bento dances most don't want anymore.  Dinkies can use the non-Bento AO'S too.  

No one has ever approached me in an inappropriate way in my child-like Dinkie nor even as human female in an IM.  It's all been a chit-chat sort of thing except when an avatar asked me to marry him on my second day of SL.  But, even that I approached like it was role play...I didn't take it seriously.   

I am on SL more for light-hearted fun and creativity in the first and main place.  I don't want to commit to a relationship at this time.  So, people need to realize SL is not all porn nor a sex game because it isn't.   There is no rule that says you cannot be child-like.  There is a rule, however, that others cannot approach a child avatar for a sex game.  It's not allowed.   

But, again, there are all kinds of avatars...this is not just Zindra nor an adult character MMO only.  And, adult avatars need to learn how to share the one road of SL and accept that there are General audience to PG-friendly things here and there are moderators watching over us to help avoid the griefing.  PG means parental guidance so I'd say it's a step below what the moderate rated sims are and you simply read the rules from an event invitation and show respect for those sim rules because we are guests when we accept an invitation.   

 

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8 hours ago, Marigold Devin said:

Oh what a shocking confession I am about to make, to anyone who doesn't already know this. I have a child avatar alt. I may even dust her off some time this weekend and take her for a spin. I am so sick of "grown up" arguments on the forums and grown up stuff in real life, it may be nice to go and find myself a funfair and be ignored, because I am a child avatar, although I usually meet with other child avatar friends, which is a whole lot of fun, being a kid again, with no worries, just having fun for fun's sake.

Do we grown ups even know how to have fun any more? When was the last time you donned roller or ice skates?  Properly played with something? With a clear conscience?

Although usually, when I go in as a child avatar, I tend to get some clever arse threatening to pour boiling oil over me because they have issues!

I am me. In whatever form. Human female, child, cockatiel, cat, cupcake, giant racing snail (yes, honestly!!!!)

For me there is nothing at all sinister about roleplaying any of the above.

Although going to the darker side of Second Life, there are a fair few who roleplay as kids and with kid avatars, and they give the rest a bl00dy bad name!

I think you hit all the nails on the head. Of course we can do these things as adults, but it's just that much easier and more fitting if you're a kid. You get to stay away from (some) of the drama and just go and have fun.

But yeah, there are people who ruin it for us kids, as well as people who would burn us at the stake before even talking to us. What I hope in threads like this is to so that there are good and bad avatars of all shapes and sizes, as well as to challenge people to replace "child" with any other word. Do women get treated the same as kids? Do ethnic avatars get treated differently? Furries? Realistic animals? Robots? There is no difference, so there should be no difference in how any avatar is treated, unless they personally give reason to be treated differently.

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I am usually kind of uneasy with adults playing children, but to each his/her own.  As long as no sex or sexualizing is involved, that is their business. As someone else said, sexualization of children does seriously bother me.

Why a grown woman would want to be a six year old in world is a mystery to be.  Been there, did that in real life, and I really didn't like it all that much, but that's me.

That aside, I have one friend who presents as a tween male -- he looks like a 12-14 year old boy.  I think he likes being free of the whole 'he man' and masculine stereotype issues.  He doesn't act babyish or even childlike and doesn't present in any way that is squicky.  Just long pants and a loose t shirt and a boyish appearance.   We are friends because we have things in common that don't involve any role play aspects -- stuff i have no interest in.  But I cannot imagine pretending to be anything I'm not, though I am very much into fantastical costumes.

I think he plays that avatar for the same reason one of my female friends most often appeared as a small animal of some kind (she had various).  She admitted she'd gotten tired being hit on and on trying to figure out how to 'look right' (mostly according to some very judgmental female people). Since I was pushed to 'go mesh' and hit on repeatedly from day one to present, I know there are pressures that can make people want to join some 'alternative' category. 

For me, however, I cannot imagine choosing to look like a child.  In my earlier days, I was often asked if I was a child avatar b/c i started out by setting my real height on the sliders, and this 'average' height made me a tiny person in SL.   I'm still shorter than average, but apparently, not quite short enough to be asked if I'm a child avatar.

 

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I hate to be the one to point this out.. but if there seems to be an audience of adults that "stand around" in childrens areas like parks and such.. wouldnt that mean that there is some toddlers/children doing the wrong thing as well. I mean, if every toddler is innocent in sl and all of them rejected and reported these adults.. there wouldnt be a group of adults looking in the first place? ... should we be asking why these adults are not scared to be reported? 

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15 minutes ago, xBaeBeex said:

I hate to be the one to point this out.. but if there seems to be an audience of adults that "stand around" in childrens areas like parks and such.. wouldnt that mean that there is some toddlers/children doing the wrong thing as well. I mean, if every toddler is innocent in sl and all of them rejected and reported these adults.. there wouldnt be a group of adults looking in the first place? ... should we be asking why these adults are not scared to be reported? 

If they are standing around they aren't doing anything wrong. Possibly they are roleplaying being a parent who took one or more of those toddlers to the park.

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51 minutes ago, xBaeBeex said:

should we be asking why these adults are not scared to be reported? 

do you ask when in the park rl?.. in the queue in the supermarket? ..  parks aren't just for kids, some people just like to see them playing ..or sitting around listening to the wind, birds, happy sounds from playing kids ... dogs walkers...
I sometimes wonder why people in SL always get so paranoid about child avatars, it's a minority that acts bad, just like adults.. these last confront people with lot more things , that i really dont need to see.
The rules in SL are pretty clear, people just don't read them.

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1 hour ago, xBaeBeex said:

I hate to be the one to point this out.. but if there seems to be an audience of adults that "stand around" in childrens areas like parks and such.. wouldnt that mean that there is some toddlers/children doing the wrong thing as well. I mean, if every toddler is innocent in sl and all of them rejected and reported these adults.. there wouldnt be a group of adults looking in the first place? ... should we be asking why these adults are not scared to be reported? 

Do you happen to be friends with the person in the general subforum, who assumed all women standing around must be hookers?

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Hi

I did an under cover research on the dark side of this and wrote a blogpost about it. I had to use an ALT, because too many people know me as a blogger. I got banned there after I puplished this. 🙂 In the comment section you see people getting really aggressive about me sticking my nose in "their business".

Feel free to link to it or quote it on your blogpost:
https://www.second-life-adventures.com/age-play-second-life/

I believe there is nothing wrong with having a child or teen avatar, as long as one behaves accordingly (no sex that is). Why do people get paranoid about child avis? Because there is the dark side. It is not just the odd creepy pervert, there is a scene for that. Hidden, but it does exist.
 

And I only scratched at the surface with this post.

 

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2 minutes ago, Caroline Takeda said:

Hi

I did an under cover research on the dark side of this and wrote a blogpost about it. I had to use an ALT, because too many people know me as a blogger. I got banned there after I puplished this. 🙂 In the comment section you see people getting really aggressive about me sticking my nose in "their business".
 

I believe there is nothing wrong with having a child or teen avatar, as long as one behaves accordingly (no sex that is). Why do people get paranoid about child avis? Because there is the dark side. It is not just the odd creepy pervert, there is a scene for that. Hidden, but it does exist.
 

And I only scratched at the surface with this post.

 

point is... this isn't about a investigation of a dark side, but just people standing in the park. Nobody denies the dark side but this was just about people being at places where kid avatars are and a over worried visitor, who got suspicious thoughts about the adults there, without reason.
Don't scratch deeper...its not the subject.

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40 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

 about people being at places where kid avatars are and a over worried visitor, who got suspicious thoughts about the adults there, without reason.
Don't scratch deeper...its not the subject.

Thats exactly the point of the post. Many of those are there ...for reasons.

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31 minutes ago, Caroline Takeda said:

Thats exactly the point of the post. Many of those are there ...for reasons.

we'r on page 4 and replied to somebody who questioned the presence of others at parks, you come with your own agenda to get the bad twist to this thread again. ( and promote your blog/investigation)
A majority of people of all ages, also avatars of all ages, gathering at public spots have nothing to do with paranoia about bad things, but start with positive till otherwise proven... you do it the other way, it are all dirtbags unless proven different.

Again.. the rules around kids, and kid avatars in SL are clear. Report if you see abuse, but don't stick a placker on everybody who just has a good time.
If you can't stand it... don't visit those places.
 

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1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said:

 majority of people of all ages, also avatars of all ages, gathering at public spots have nothing to do with paranoia about bad things, but start with positive till otherwise proven... you do it the other way, it are all dirtbags unless proven different.
 

I never said ALL. You obviously did not read theat post before commenting on it.

Of course there are legitimate reason for adults being at playgrounds. Nothing wrong with that. Typically family play. Families do consist of kids AND adults.

All I am saying is, that in my experience (conducting under cover reseach), adults standing at such places with the intention to pick up child avis at CERTAIN places is not just the od case but almost the norm.  This is not happening at EVERY child place in SL, but rather at very specific ones.
 

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you do it the other way, it are all dirtbags unless proven different.

No. I just go there and see what happens. My researches are always open ended, never prejudging.
I think my readers (both) know that.
 

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don't visit those places.

I decide which places to visit, for whatever purpose or intention.

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1 hour ago, Caroline Takeda said:

 I just go there and see what happens. My researches are always open ended, never prejudging.
 

I decide which places to visit, for whatever purpose or intention.

at the first is impossible, you go there to look for something specific. It can't be open end or not prejudging, or you wouldn't look for it(btw .. the first lines in your blog prove you are provoking)

The second, i said," If you can't stand it... don't visit those places."  not that you shouldn't go .. but turning things as simple as a line in a forumpost  ads a lot of information how your non prejudgment and open end investigation method works.
 

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