My dissatisfaction about Linden Realms

[Taylorl22]

I played SL about 5 years ago, building a character and after some time I started to farm some good lindens through Linden Realms, until the moment my computer's video card broke down.
So I didn't play until today... Recently I bought a better computer and thought about going back to the game, but when I tried to farm some lindens again I realized that this is no longer possible.
I am aware of the changes in regulation, but without this game I cannot have lindens, I do not have an international card, and even if I had that I would not have the money to spend with lindens... So unfortunately I have no way to play again, that was my only source of income.
Before that I wanted to leave my dissatisfaction registered in the forum, I believe that many people are also going through the same thing.

Edited February 3, 2020 by Taylorl22

[Rolig Loon]

You can still get L$ for collecting crystals in Linden Realms, but you have to complete all of the quests first. Once you have done that, you may collect as many crystals as you like, at least for the next week. You need to complete the quests once a week (and you get L$ for doing that too).  Linden Lab made those changes because far too many people were cheating, using illegitimate tools or bullying other players to grab crystals. There's still cheating, but it's harder.  The changes are meant to make the game more fun and fairer for people who do not cheat.

[Nextio]

Linden Realms was decent for what it was but then people started abusing it with bots and multiple accounts.

[Claireschen Hesten]

You can still earn L$ in the realms from what i'm aware through the chatter in the Linden Realms unofficial group you now need to have "Payment info on File" to cash out crystals with out you can only get L$50 a week.

[Lindal Kidd]

Hi @Taylorl22!

Linden Realms has been off line for about the last two months, but LL tells us they are going to bring it back...er, "Soon."

I'm not a follower of Realms issues, but Claireschen may be right about payment information being required, or required to get more than a token amount of $L.  In this case, you would be out of luck, since you say you have no way to register a payment method.

Even if that's true, you can still enjoy SL!  You don't need $L to have fun.  There are freebies, and hunts.  There are tons of things to do that don't require money.  There are in-world jobs you can get, to earn $L.  You could learn to use Blender and create wonderful things for other people to buy...if you become really good at this, you can make significant amounts of money.  "Significant", even in real life terms.

[Taylorl22]

29 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

Hi @Taylorl22!

Linden Realms has been off line for about the last two months, but LL tells us they are going to bring it back...er, "Soon."

I'm not a follower of Realms issues, but Claireschen may be right about payment information being required, or required to get more than a token amount of $L.  In this case, you would be out of luck, since you say you have no way to register a payment method.

Even if that's true, you can still enjoy SL!  You don't need $L to have fun.  There are freebies, and hunts.  There are tons of things to do that don't require money.  There are in-world jobs you can get, to earn $L.  You could learn to use Blender and create wonderful things for other people to buy...if you become really good at this, you can make significant amounts of money.  "Significant", even in real life terms.

I used to spend several hours farming on Linden Realms maps, and then I bought my stuff at the store in the late afternoon... It's a shame that it ended because of dishonest people using Bots...

[ItHadToComeToThis]

35 minutes ago, Taylorl22 said:

I used to spend several hours farming on Linden Realms maps, and then I bought my stuff at the store in the late afternoon... It's a shame that it ended because of dishonest people using Bots...

Learn a skill such as Animating, Scripting, Modelling, Sound Design, Graphics

Make some stuff

Sell on marketplace

Become an escort

Find a in world job that either pays or where you get tips such as hosting, bar tending, modelling, CS Agent for a store

 

[Rolig Loon]

1 hour ago, Lindal Kidd said:

Linden Realms has been off line for about the last two months, but LL tells us they are going to bring it back...er, "Soon."

Linden Realms is on line. There are plenty of people playing there right now.

1 hour ago, Claireschen Hesten said:

You can still earn L$ in the realms from what i'm aware through the chatter in the Linden Realms unofficial group you now need to have "Payment info on File" to cash out crystals

Yes, you do need to have payment information on file, and you must have used it at least once.

[FairreLilette]

You could join a group I belong to called SMALL TALK.  Small Talk is not just for tiny (small) avatars...biggie avatars as we tinies call them join in events with us.  There is lots of fishing and nice people.  With fishing you can win lindens.  You have to get a fishing pole though which is, I believe 250 lindens.

I have themed contests at my club twice a week on Mondays and Wednesdays with 350 lindens to the top winner.  I often have themes of COME AS YOU ARE so you don't have to dress in any particular way....just be yourself.

Join Small Talk group inworld for more information.  

I am a Dinkie in SL now.  A Dinkie is a tiny cat with human characteristics...kind of like Mickey Mouse is a mouse with human characteristics.  The Dinkies, Tinies and Titchies are all so adorable...you may have fun!   And, biggies are welcome too!  

[Drayke Newall]

On 2/4/2020 at 7:18 AM, Rolig Loon said:

You can still get L$ for collecting crystals in Linden Realms, but you have to complete all of the quests first. Once you have done that, you may collect as many crystals as you like, at least for the next week. You need to complete the quests once a week (and you get L$ for doing that too).  Linden Lab made those changes because far too many people were cheating, using illegitimate tools or bullying other players to grab crystals. There's still cheating, but it's harder.  The changes are meant to make the game more fun and fairer for people who do not cheat.

Good heavens, given the backlash over the years of MMORPG's over use of dallies, last thing I expect or want is to do more of the same mundane 'quests' in a place like second life. Cant see how it would make it more fun.

As for cheating, it was never a case of cheating per se, it was always a case of bots. I foresee a nice increase in account generation for LL as those bots make alts instead to farm the lindens.

[Jaylinbridges]

You can still collect 50 $L/week per avatar in the Realms with no PIOF.  Crystals cannot be converted to Lindens unless you have PIOF.  What I see many doing now is to create many alt accounts, all free basic, no PIOF (and no profile.)   10 alts is 500 $L/week,  100 alts is 5000 $L/week.  How many throwaway mail addresses can you make?

It takes about 18 mins to complete all the quests for one week for one avatar.  Some piggyback their alts at 2 at a time, cutting their avatar quest time in half using multiple alts.  I have not seen anything from LL that says using your alts in the Realms is cheating.  It they were able to limit the Realms to one avatar per RL person, the Realms would be nearly empty.  They could close 4 of the 6 Realm estates.  (Each estate contains 12 regions)

I think very little of the Realms lindens actually gets converted to one's RL currency.  The currency exchange and process credit fees are too high to make this practical. So basically LL is interjecting some extra Lindens into the economy, which all are spent inworld, to keep merchants and landowners afloat.  Same thing the Federal Banks do everyday in most countries.  If the govt's would stop printing money, the world would collapse.  The Lindens might think this applies to SL as well.

Cheating as in flying and speed enhancers are irrelevant now - those applied more to collecting crystals, which the free no PIOF accounts can no longer do.

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by Jaylinbridges

[Drayke Newall]

2 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

How many throwaway mail addresses can you make?

As many as one desires...

https://www.throwawaymail.com/

Alt accounts botting will be the new botting method of which is impossible to stop.

Edited February 6, 2020 by Drayke Newall

[Alwin Alcott]

44 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

Alt accounts botting will be the new botting method of which is impossible to stop.

new?

you must have been under a rock  ..

[Taylorl22]

11 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

Você ainda pode coletar 50 $ L / semana por avatar nos Reinos sem PIOF. Os cristais não podem ser convertidos em Lindens, a menos que você possua PIOF. O que vejo muitos fazendo agora é criar muitas contas alternativas, todas gratuitas, sem PIOF (e sem perfil.) 10 alts é 500 $ L / semana, 100 alts é 5000 $ L / semana. Quantos endereços de correio descartáveis você pode criar?

Demora cerca de 18 minutos para concluir todas as missões de uma semana para um avatar. Alguns pegam carona com seus companheiros de duas em duas de cada vez, reduzindo o tempo de missões de avatar pela metade usando vários amigos. Eu não vi nada do LL que diga que usar seus aliados nos Reinos é trapaça. Se eles fossem capazes de limitar os Reinos a um avatar por pessoa RL, os Reinos ficariam quase vazios. Eles poderiam fechar 4 das 6 propriedades do Reino. (Cada propriedade contém 12 regiões)

Penso que muito pouco dos Lindens dos Reinos é realmente convertido para a moeda RL. As taxas de câmbio e de crédito de processo são muito altas para tornar isso prático. Então, basicamente, a LL está injetando alguns Lindens extras na economia, que são todos gastos no mundo, para manter comerciantes e proprietários de terras à tona. A mesma coisa que os bancos federais fazem todos os dias na maioria dos países. Se os governos parassem de imprimir dinheiro, o mundo entraria em colapso. Os Lindens podem pensar que isso também se aplica ao SL.

Trapacear como nos aprimoramentos de vôo e velocidade é irrelevante agora - aqueles aplicados mais à coleta de cristais, o que as contas PIOF gratuitas não podem mais fazer.

 

This is not my way of playing, I only have one account and I dedicate myself totally to it, the idea of making several accounts in order to make some lindens does not please me, especially why I need tens of thousands of lindens, if the situation at Linden Realms turn back to normal I’ll SL play again, until then I’ll just watch from afar.

Edited February 6, 2020 by Taylorl22

[Lindal Kidd]

On 2/5/2020 at 10:42 AM, Drayke Newall said:

Good heavens, given the backlash over the years of MMORPG's over use of dallies, last thing I expect or want is to do more of the same mundane 'quests' in a place like second life. Cant see how it would make it more fun.

As for cheating, it was never a case of cheating per se, it was always a case of bots. I foresee a nice increase in account generation for LL as those bots make alts instead to farm the lindens.

If bots ever start making their own alts, we're doomed.

Hummm...let's get our definitions straight here.  Any SL account that you create after your initial one is an alternate account, an "alt".  Any SL account that is run by a program to do certain tasks, instead of being under the direct control of a person, is a "bot", or, in LL's terminology, a "scripted agent".

Therefore, any SL account (usually an alt, but it could be your first and only account) may be a bot. 

I'm not aware of any program that can automatically create new SL accounts, though.  So a bot cannot make alts.

[Drayke Newall]

22 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

new?

you must have been under a rock  ..

Actually no and if you played Linden Realms regularly you would know this as well. A lot of the botting that took place in Linden Realms was actually main accounts or maybe a second account that would bot. Most of the time this was the case due to the way Linden Lab would often eject any 'player' based on how full their profile (ie groups etc) was or based on pathing of which the person would need to change it up every now and then to not get flagged. Meaning an actual person being behind the avatar you saw but maybe afk on the web or something.

What I meant is actual botting whereby there is no need to every now and then change pathing or stop here/ there or type when IM'ed by someone. In other words the introduction of daily quests seem to be LL's way of filtering out bots instead of actively watching or relying on pathing to detect. So in other words more alt accounts being used as bots and actual botting non stop.

12 hours ago, Lindal Kidd said:

I'm not aware of any program that can automatically create new SL accounts, though.  So a bot cannot make alts.

You are joking right? Creating an account is nothing more than going to the website and creating an account. So long as the recapture can be broken, which it has many times via simple python coding it is certainly possible for a program to create an account over and over. There is even a specific chrome extension that allows you to run actions via java script on a website for this very thing.

[Jaylinbridges]

I have never heard of a bot playing the Realms Quests.  That would be one advanced scripted agent, to run the 4 quests on auto-pilot, and avoid all the random hazards the game has in every quest.   Seems like the bots, nearly as stupid as the rock monsters, would spend most of their time in the reconstruction tanks. Just programming the 1st Quest, running a path to a bare tree then to the tree of hearts, avoiding getting eaten, and  touching the tree would be tricky (but possible if you could recovery, it is a simple quest).  And how does a bot find a green crystal?  In the desert and swamp quests, the target moves every time it is touched.  How would a script find the new target?  Or recognize the target?  TP's within the Realms are not allowed by the agent.  Every moment running or standing in the Realms has a random hazard ready to kill you.

Alts, controlled by a human account in RL is what I see.  Automated bots, running while the owner sleeps?   Good AI project, but if you can pull that off, might as well get a RL job doing the same thing for the military.  Your salary would be a bit higher

 

Edited February 7, 2020 by Jaylinbridges

[Drayke Newall]

5 hours ago, Jaylinbridges said:

I have never heard of a bot playing the Realms Quests.  That would be one advanced scripted agent, to run the 4 quests on auto-pilot, and avoid all the random hazards the game has in every quest.   Seems like the bots, nearly as stupid as the rock monsters, would spend most of their time in the reconstruction tanks. Just programming the 1st Quest, running a path to a bare tree then to the tree of hearts, avoiding getting eaten, and  touching the tree would be tricky (but possible if you could recovery, it is a simple quest).  And how does a bot find a green crystal?  In the desert and swamp quests, the target moves every time it is touched.  How would a script find the new target?  Or recognize the target?  TP's within the Realms are not allowed by the agent.  Every moment running or standing in the Realms has a random hazard ready to kill you.

Alts, controlled by a human account in RL is what I see.  Automated bots, running while the owner sleeps?   Good AI project, but if you can pull that off, might as well get a RL job doing the same thing for the military.  Your salary would be a bit higher

 

I agree, don't know where people assumed that bots were scripted in Linden Realms. That's why I mentioned in my post that they are people actually running around just semi afking watching youtube while they stand still for a bit to try and convince LL they aren't botting.

I think people are getting confused with a bot or scripted agent and botting which is running around for hours and hours collecting crystals via the most optimal path.

[Lindal Kidd]

9 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:

You are joking right? Creating an account is nothing more than going to the website and creating an account. So long as the recapture can be broken, which it has many times via simple python coding it is certainly possible for a program to create an account over and over. There is even a specific chrome extension that allows you to run actions via java script on a website for this very thing.

I did not say it was not possible.  I said I was not aware that anyone had done it.  Besides, why would anyone want to write a program to create SL accounts?

[Rolig Loon]

27 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

why would anyone want to write a program to create SL accounts?

Never underestimate what a scripter with time on her hands might do. No challenge is too dumb to try.

Not me, of course.  Just sayin'.

[Drayke Newall]

5 hours ago, Lindal Kidd said:

I did not say it was not possible.  I said I was not aware that anyone had done it.  Besides, why would anyone want to write a program to create SL accounts?

Well in the past before recapture, such programs were written to 'protect' Last Names when they were available upon sign-up. 😉