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What do you think would have happened if the Axis Powers won World War II?


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@Drayke Newall : You are right : it's not a simple "Oh, but their navy wasn't big enough. , but a bigger ( or more succesful ) navy would have had impact and has added to the factors the Allies had the upper hand in. Still hard to speculate upon though if the roles had been reversed.  

The detail in your answer is very succint and thourough.

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4 minutes ago, TDD123 said:

@Drayke Newall : You are right : it's not a simple "Oh, but their navy wasn't big enough. , but a bigger ( or more succesful ) navy would have had impact and has added to the factors the Allies had the upper hand in. Still hard to speculate upon though if the roles had been reversed.  

Fully agree and is why in my first post I said the more interesting question is: What would have happened if Japan never bombed Pearl Harbor.

Hitler knew full well not to awaken what was called the sleeping giant and went to immense effort to ensure this didn't happen. What he failed to foresee is one of his allies that wasn't part of the EU war was stupid enough to try and poke the sleeping bear.

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1 minute ago, Drayke Newall said:

Hitler knew full well.

Leaving him one final decision.

And yes, the war was lost not only because the United States entered, but also won by the Russian people who had no other choice but to survive the onslaught.

„Jeder Deutsche, noch in tausend Jahren, muß sich daran erinnern, daß Deutschland in Stalingrad den Stempel zum Endsieg gesetzt hat!“ - Hermann Göring

"Stalingrad. Massengrab." - Russian propaganda speakers during the siege of Stalingrad.
 

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Germany had superior technology and machinery but no oil to power any of it. That is why Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in order to capture the Russian oil supplies. It's because of this that early on in the war Germany fought an offensive blisteringly quick 'Blitzkrieg'  war mobilizing mechanized infantry and then switched to a more defensive infantry / horse drawn fighting later in the war. Simply put the oil had ran out to support such an offensive and Germany had failed to capture vital oil depots. 

Had Hitler been successful in the early campaigns in the East, it's likely Russia would have dropped out of the war and he would have been able to focus his attention on Britain. With Europe conquered, there would have probably been a cold war between the Axis and the US with proxy wars fought over the globe. 

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I seen one of the WWII shows, where they went over the battle of Moscow..

From what I remember,it looked like a warn down,starving,cold army that lost half their stuff on the way there..Going up against a healthy force that also had Ninjas on ski's in white camouflage and guys popping out of the snow and just coming from everywhere..

It's just the parts that stick out from what I remember.. I also remember thinking,Those guys are in no way going to be able to fight when they get there..

That was the Valley Forge conditions going on there..

 

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It was mathematically impossible for the Axis nations to outproduce or outnumber the allied nations during WW2. Even if they somehow have won, regimes or societies based on unnatural enforcement of human nature usually don't last long. The relatively sensible civilization we have today lasts because the laws and set of human morality or moral standards it has appeal to basic and natural human instincts or desires (to be safe and as free as possible as long as it doesn't hurt others)

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10 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:

Fully agree and is why in my first post I said the more interesting question is: What would have happened if Japan never bombed Pearl Harbor.

Hitler knew full well not to awaken what was called the sleeping giant and went to immense effort to ensure this didn't happen. What he failed to foresee is one of his allies that wasn't part of the EU war was stupid enough to try and poke the sleeping bear grizzly.

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39 minutes ago, brodiak90 said:

Germany had superior technology and machinery but no oil to power any of it.

I think Germany's technological superiority is vastly overrated.

The technological advantages they had at the beginning of the war languished terribly and was quickly outclassed by the Allies. The advanced technology they managed to deploy was rarely ready for prime time and failed to effectively counter the conventional technology of the Allies. Sure, they led the way in operational jet fighters, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. A handful of mechanically temperamental jets were still no match for skies full of Mustangs. The lesson from the V-1 and V-2 is, until you can put nuclear warheads on them, they're no substitute for a strategic bombing force. They had no strategic bombing capability and while America was putting massive resources into developing nuclear weapons, Germany had some uranium cubes in a basement. Making sure all of their best nuclear scientists were working for the Allies wasn't a great plan. The technical advantage they had with U-boats disappeared by mid-1943. Their tanks were super bad ass looking, but mechanically poor and being able to kill a Sherman from a mile away is of little use when you're spending all your time hiding from P-47s or being overrun in a maintenance yard. The P-47 illustrates German technical stagnation. Germany started the war with the iconic dive bomber, and now they're getting slaughtered by an American fighter that's a better dive bomber than their best dive bomber.

The pioneered a lot of technology that would be useful in future wars, but not so much in the one they were fighting. They also wasted a lot of resources on junk, while failing to make the needed improvements in their conventional technology.

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8 hours ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

The technological advantages they had at the beginning of the war languished terribly and was quickly outclassed by the Allies.

Of cause they languished, they were at war for 3 years already when America entered and even when taking into account their occupied territories the USA still had a population of almost double Germany. Also the bombing of Dresden was a huge blow to Germany as it was their manufacturing and industrial capital where many of the resources for continued war effort and development were produced.

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They had no strategic bombing capability and while America was putting massive resources into developing nuclear weapons, Germany had some uranium cubes in a basement. Making sure all of their best nuclear scientists were working for the Allies wasn't a great plan.

Utter rubbish. Germany was far more advanced in nuclear technology than America by miles and much of their research etc was all done within the war years and before America had even thought about it. It is why America started their Manhattan project, to compete with the already well advanced Nazi's.

Germany had proven four ways of separation of Uranium Isotopes compared to America's effort. By 1942 Germany was using low yield sub-kiloton nuclear warheads at the Russian front as evidenced by intercepted Japanese signal documents and these nuclear warheads where all created without uranium enrichment. Germany also by wars end had developed the Zentner-76 nuclear bomb of which British troops found evidence of in 1945 (this however is refuted by British and American governments despite the very soldiers that found it stating the bomb, centrifuges and reactor are real) and was capable of creating nuclear bombs that used less fission material than the ones created by America.

The Betatron enrichment facility beat the Manhattan project by 1 year in nuclear enrichment and by 1944 rumoured to generate enough to make 1 Hiroshima sized bomb every 2 months. Their ultracentrifuge's were also very advanced compared to others with Britain after the war capturing and operating one for quite a while.

Additionally, Germany tested their Atomic bombs (albeit dirty) almost a full year prior to America at Rugen Island (only one picture has surfaced of this taken by a German scientist present), whereby decades after the war Caesium 137 was still present and bulldozed into the sea to remove it (even though this is disputed). Such tests were reported by eyewitnesses such as Elisabeth Mestlin on 12 October, 1944. They conducted similar tests in other areas and were looking at methods of creating 2nd and 3rd generation detonation devices.

Nazi Germany's 2 top nuclear scientists patented 40 nuclear weapon designs all within the WW2 period that were used after the war by American and French scientists to develop tactical nuclear warheads. Wartime nuclear physicist Prof Diebner was also in the 50's recruited by the American and French to show them how to make warhead devices.

All while making these advancements in Nuclear warfare they were also looking into uranium powered engines for their vehicles as well as developing many more devices that are used today in modern technology.

The ONLY thing that stopped Hitler utilizing atomic bombs on England was the destruction of a ferry by Norway's resistance which carried heavy water that was needed for their completion. This was even stated by those involved in Germany's nuclear program after the war as the contributing reason why their reactor project stopped in its tracks.

So yes, as you say, Nazi Germany only kept 'some uranium cubes in the basement'. 🙄

As to the rest of your post, not going to bother.

EDIT: The main issue with all of Germany's war time nuclear program is it was seized by the ally governments and many are still classified. It is well known however many of the Nazi scientist have been employed over the years to advance or show America etc how to do things due to their knowledge gained during WW2 Nazi scientific programs. There is a picture of the explosion test as well as the Japanese signal documents however very little has been released or shown. Even the ferry of Heavy Water was only recently discovered. The other issue is that the ally governments refute all of this despite eyewitness accounts of seeing these things all around. Sure, granted, it could be made up, but with stories and people actually finding things like the ferry and heavy water under the north sea that was talked about by Nazi scientists one has to wonder...

EDIT2: Just for reference and source, here are some declassified US documents tell of US pilots visually seeing what would later be observed as the classic a-bomb mushroom cloud. Was also seen by an Italian reporter sent by Italy's dictator to view the "new weapon". https://www.express.co.uk/news/history/771096/nazi-germany-nuclear-bomb-testing-blitz-world-war-ii-secret-intelligence-documents

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