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Abuso total de autoridad y bulling extremo


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Hola, muy buenas, vengo a crear este nuevo foro para que la comunidad comprenda que hay un abuso ya de autoridad extrema en ciertos juegos de second life, como en este caso Lindo VIrtual Flower, tenia la posibilidad de poder jugar hace unos meses pero lo ocurrido solo quedo en el olvido de los dueños de ese juego, ya que mande una queja directa al dueño del juego LIndo Virtual Flower, pero nunca leyó o quiso ver mi posición ya que mi Internet en ciertos días no va bien y se me bloquea mucho el chat y no me llegan los mensajes bien o muy tardes, entonces cuando explique eso, nada mas hicieron oídos sordos. He tenido que optar por hacer cuentas alternar, pero de tanto en tanto, también las bloquearon sin previo aviso ni motivos, se que esas personas son de dinero y pagan sus cosas para tener dentro de second life sus cosas, yo no puedo hacer nada de eso ya que dependo aun de mis padres. De poder tener yo un trabajo, también pagaría para tener mis cosas dentro de second life pero como dije no tengo trabajo, y dependo de mis padres, por eso vengo a hacer esta queja de abuso de autoridad que hacen las personas que maneja Lindo Virtual Flower, por bulling a una persona que tiene una condición precaria a comparación de esas personas que se creen dueños y señores de second life. 

Pido encarecidamente, una reincorporación al juego Lindo Virtual Flower, ya que fui brutalmente expulsado sin motivos ni avisos previos y que hasta el día de hoy sigo siendo bloqueado con cuentas alternas y sin que ellos sepan que soy yo, y tampoco negare que soy el único que también lo bloquean por ningún motivo, pero las demás personas no se como harán sus quejas yo lo hago ahora por acá ya que es la 3° cuenta que creo y termina bloqueada de ese juego por motivos que yo desconozco y tendría que ser el primero en saber que motivos hay de que se me bloquea o por que se me bloquea. Agradecería que me manden un correo para que me hagan seguimiento, para saber que ocurre con este problema, ya que mi cuenta tiene 8 años de antigüedad y jamas he tenido problemas de este grado. Anteriormente utilizaba Bletaverse (juego de conos), Mettro, y tambien utilzaba Lindo, y nunca tuve este problema, nada mas surgio por una persona de un club llamado Obscure (que su dueño es  ƚ Ðαrk Aɳɠҽʅ ƚ  (darkwingsofdestiny)), que jamas en mi chat aparecio su conversacion hacia mi, y cuando ya me empezo a molestar de que me hechaba y sin saber por que, fue que empezo el problema de mi cuenta, luego comenzo en el club Southern Nights Country/Rock Club & Live Venue (que su dueña es ღ Šησω ღ (snowblanket)) me bloqueo de su club porque quiso y abusando de su autoridad ya que decia que era hermana de la esposa del dueño del club Obscure.

Espero que esta gente tenga una multa por abuso y bulling contra mi persona, ya que yo me explique en ese momento y solo se rieron de mi condicion.

Muchisimas gracias por leer este post y estare atento a mi seguimiento del problema por cualquier cosa que sea necesario explicar.

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Un propietario siempre tiene el derecho de expulsar o prohibir a cualquier persona, sin explicación. El propietario no necesita una razón para evitar que ingrese. Puede que no le guste su camisa o simplemente decida que no disfruta de su compañía. Es su elección. Si se queja, Linden Lab no interferirá. Lea las Condiciones del Servicio (sección 3.4): "Usted [el propietario de la tierra] puede permitir o denegar a otros usuarios el acceso a su Tierra virtual en los términos que usted determine".

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Perfecto entonces no hay nada de ley sobre las personas que tenemos que soportar gente que tienen el dinero, entonces el momento que sea mi oportunidad, se me dará la gana (digamos así) de bloquear la gente que no es de mi agrado o que no sea grata para mi, total tengo el derecho de hacerlo, sin motivo alguno o que esa "enjuicia". Perfecto para mi entonces, ya que soy eliminado de todos lados porque se le antojo a una persona a bloquearme porque me trate de explicar mi problema y porque esa persona quiso hacer lo que quiso hacer conmigo, yo me la tengo que aguantar sin mas, muy buenas leyes de Second Life, es tierra de nadie para la gente, es más promulgan que la gente que genera bulling se siga extendiendo más y más, aplausos para esas leyes o condiciones de usuarios ya que en la vida el dinero compra todo y nos redea toda esa gente y asi esta el mundo, perfecto para progresar.

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Es verdad. Esas son las condiciones que acordó seguir cuando se unió a Second Life. Si posee tierras, puede decidir a quién se le permite ingresar. Ese sería su derecho como terrateniente, tal como lo es en la vida real. Si posee una casa o un club privado, puede cerrar las puertas con llave e impedir la entrada de cualquier persona que no sea su familia y amigos cercanos.

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A mi  me ha pasado exactamente lo mismo y en el mismo juego. Me llegó un mensaje al que no pude ni contestar diciéndome que está prohibido utilizar varias cuentas, y sin darme tiempo a contestar ya me habían expulsado. He intentado varias veces hablar con el propietario y lo único que ha hecho ha sido por lo que veo, bloquearme. Y no sé yo hasta qué punto vale eso de que el propietario puede expulsarte arbitrariamente "porque no le gusta tu camisa", Para qué sirven entonces las TOS, si te pueden expulsar porque les de la gana aunque cumplas con todas las normas? Que estamos hablando de la expulsión de un juego, no de un terreno en concreto.

The exact same thing happened to me in the same game. I received a message that I couldn't even answer telling me that it is forbidden to use multiple accounts, and without giving me time to answer they had already expelled me. I have tried several times to talk to the owner and the only thing he has done is from what I see, block me. And I don't know to what extent it's worth that the owner can arbitrarily expel you "because he doesn't like your shirt", What are the TOS for then, if they can expel you because they want even if you comply with all the rules? That we are talking about expulsion from a game, not from a specific field.

 

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As was already explained, a region owner can expel you for whatever reason they choose.  That is their right as a land owner.  There is no ToS rule against ejecting and/or banning someone from land you own.

Also, from the Lindo Flower ToS...

2. Fair Gaming For All:
Only one, a main account per household may be used at all times while playing any of Lindo Gaming Services and this singular account should not be an alternate or a dedicated account. Players who need to use an account other than main to play should contact the Lindo management for account review before joining the community.

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7 minutes ago, victoriaSinMas said:

That we are talking about expulsion from a game, not from a specific field.

No, that is not true.  A landowner cannot ban you from SL.  He can only ban you from his own land.  Only Linden Lab can ban you from SL.

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Igual el traductor no es el mejor o no me he expresado bien. No es el propietario de un terreno, es el propietario del juego Lindo, y sí, aunque tengo otra cuenta, no la uso, ni para jugar a Lindo ni para nada. Entro y juego con mi cuenta principal,entonces considero que no estoy incumpliendo ninguna norma.

 

Maybe the translator is not the best or I have not expressed myself well. He doesn't own a piece of land, he owns the Lindo game, and yes, even though I have another account, I don't use it, not to play Lindo or anything. I enter and play with my main account, so I consider that I am not breaking any rules.

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10 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

 

No, that is not true.  A landowner cannot ban you from SL.  He can only ban you from his own land.  Only Linden Lab can ban you from SL.

I repeat, maybe the translation is not very good, but I have been expelled from the game, not from a field. Let's not be so quick to call others liars.9jEvrf4.jpg

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SL scripted game systems are the property of their creators. Many of those game systems involve external services that are not under LL jurisdiction. Within SL, those creators have the same right to control access to their game systems as they have to control access to their properties.

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4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Desafortunadamente, el propietario del juego también puede prohibirte jugar. Tampoco hay nada en contra de eso en el LL ToS.

Osea, que me pueden expulsar cumpliendo las normas? Pues para qué están, para qué sirven? Para que un buen dia un señor diga este avatar no me gusta y sin intercambiar dos palabras te eche?  Sabiendo además que en estos juegos se invierten lindens, que acababa de comprar 10 semillas golden y no he usado ninguna. Y además no se puede hacer nada... pues sí, es abuso y bullying.

 

I mean, can I be expelled by complying with the rules? Well, what are they for, what are they for? So that one fine day a man says I don't like this avatar and without exchanging two words kicks you out? Knowing also that in these games lindens are invested, that I had just bought 10 golden seeds and I have not used any. And besides, nothing can be done... well yes, it is abuse and bullying.

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7 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

SL scripted game systems are the property of their creators. Many of those game systems involve external services that are not under LL jurisdiction. Within SL, those creators have the same right to control access to their game systems as they have to control access to their properties.

Y los usuarios no podemos hacer nada cuando se comete un abuso? No se puede denunciar de ninguna manera?

And we users can't do anything when an abuse is committed? Can't be sued in any way?

 

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Just now, victoriaSinMas said:

Y los usuarios no podemos hacer nada cuando se comete un abuso? No se puede denunciar de ninguna manera?

And we users can't do anything when an abuse is committed? Can't be sued in any way?

 

Private property in SL is treated like private property in RL. In RL, I have the right to determine who is allowed in my home. If I wish to restrict access to only people wearing a single shoe on their left foot, that is my right. If someone enters my home wearing both shoes, I have the right reject them, even if they then remove the right shoe. Such rules might seem silly, but they are legal. You may feel abused, but you have no legal right to enter another's home or use their property in RL or SL.

 

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16 minutes ago, victoriaSinMas said:

Osea, que me pueden expulsar cumpliendo las normas? Pues para qué están, para qué sirven? Para que un buen dia un señor diga este avatar no me gusta y sin intercambiar dos palabras te eche?  Sabiendo además que en estos juegos se invierten lindens, que acababa de comprar 10 semillas golden y no he usado ninguna. Y además no se puede hacer nada... pues sí, es abuso y bullying.

 

I mean, can I be expelled by complying with the rules? Well, what are they for, what are they for? So that one fine day a man says I don't like this avatar and without exchanging two words kicks you out? Knowing also that in these games lindens are invested, that I had just bought 10 golden seeds and I have not used any. And besides, nothing can be done... well yes, it is abuse and bullying.

Since this game is actually used to increase traffic to a region, you could try contacting the region owner and not the game creator. 

There IS a reason you were banned.  Perhaps the region owner would be able to tell you why.

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23 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Since this game is actually used to increase traffic to a region, you could try contacting the region owner and not the game creator. 

There IS a reason you were banned.  Perhaps the region owner would be able to tell you why.

Well, yes, the translator is bad...

I have not been kicked out of a region, I have been kicked out of a game, a group.

The reason is supposed to be that I use multiple accounts but I only use one.

I have addressed the owner, I have explained to him and the only response has been to ignore me if he has not blocked me.

I have written to the owner, politely explained that I only use one account, asked if there could be something wrong and the only response has been to ignore me if he hasn't blocked me.

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23 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

Private property in SL is treated like private property in RL. In RL, I have the right to determine who is allowed in my home. If I wish to restrict access to only people wearing a single shoe on their left foot, that is my right. If someone enters my home wearing both shoes, I have the right reject them, even if they then remove the right shoe. Such rules might seem silly, but they are legal. You may feel abused, but you have no legal right to enter another's home or use their property in RL or SL.

 

1 I have been kicked out of a group, a game, NOT A PRIVATE PROPERTY, or a region, or a piece of land.
2 The group and the game have rules, which may be silly but they are legal, and that is why I have complied with them, so yes, I keep saying that it is an abuse and should be able to be reported.

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7 minutes ago, victoriaSinMas said:

Well, yes, the translator is bad...

I have not been kicked out of a region, I have been kicked out of a game, a group.

The reason is supposed to be that I use multiple accounts but I only use one.

I have addressed the owner, I have explained to him and the only response has been to ignore me if he has not blocked me.

I have written to the owner, politely explained that I only use one account, asked if there could be something wrong and the only response has been to ignore me if he hasn't blocked me.

Yes, I understand you haven't been kicked out of a region but if the region owner is aware that people are getting kicked out of a game that they use to increase traffic, then THEY can contact the game owner to see what the problem is.  A region owner probably won't want to use a system that randomly, for no reason, banned people from playing it.  The whole point of this game is to get people INTO your region and not to keep them away by banning them.

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Thank you for trying to comply with the rules of a resident-owned game.

You can report your experience if you like, but LL will not do anything about it. They consider this sort of thing to be a "resident to resident dispute" and they very seldom get involved.

The only "rules" that a land owner or someone offering a game must follow are the Terms of Service and the other LL policies incorporated by reference. For example, no sex with child avatars, no nudity in General regions, no gambling, and so on.

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