When Did it Become Acceptable to Bring Politic of Hate into SL?

[Luna Bliss]

Yep don't bite...it's typical for the conservatives to come in with an attempt to anger people through obnoxious comments, get a thread closed when they are being shown to be wrong.

[Mahala Roviana]

*Dumps out her tea and refills her cup with bourbon.*

[KanryDrago]

2 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said:

Godwin.

shrugs elect bernie sanders I really dont mind the rest of the world will point and laugh at you when america crashes and burns and they start having to cut back on anything that helps the poor because there is no money left

[Luna Bliss]

1 hour ago, KanryDrago said:

1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

Individual vs the group is always in tension.

I think we've gone too far to the right and need to dial it back to a more central position.

If you look at Bernie Sander's website, he is not recommending these extreme leftist positions you are citing.

Mao killed at a conservative estimate 30 million via starvation due to his policies I dont care about bernie sanders I dont care about your economically illiterate beliefs, the left are far far worse than nazis

We have to consider individual and group rights...going to either extreme is what causes most of the problems.  So it really doesn't matter 'who is the baddest'.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Luna Bliss

[KanryDrago]

1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

Yep don't bite...it's typical for the conservatives to come in with an attempt to anger people through obnoxious comments, get a thread closed when they are being shown to be wrong.

Not a conservative I just know that socialism doesnt work, doesnt help the poor and impoverishes the country its tried in and means the poor end up worse off

[KanryDrago]

Just now, Luna Bliss said:

We have to consider individual and group rights...going to either extreme is what causes most of the problems.  So it really doesn't matter 'who is the baddest...whether left or right'.

The left dont consider the individual because the collective is all, the individual doesnt matter whether they live or die as long as the collective becomes stronger....you are the borg

[Luna Bliss]

4 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

shrugs elect bernie sanders I really dont mind the rest of the world will point and laugh at you when america crashes and burns and they start having to cut back on anything that helps the poor because there is no money left

 

4 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

Not a conservative I just know that socialism doesnt work, doesnt help the poor and impoverishes the country its tried in and means the poor end up worse off

 

2 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

The left dont consider the individual because the collective is all, the individual doesnt matter whether they live or die as long as the collective becomes stronger....you are the borg

If there is no concern whether individuals live or die, and they die, then a collective can't exist can it?

The collective is just a group of individuals.

By protecting the collective, we disallow one individual's ability to overrun the rights of other individuals -- this is the goal.

[Seicher Rae]

10 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

Not a conservative I just know that socialism doesnt work, doesnt help the poor and impoverishes the country its tried in and means the poor end up worse off

Oy. We've been over this in this very thread. Which "left" are you referring to? Sounds like the ultra extreme, and the narrow, old definition. Go back a few pages, click on the link to the Stanford philosophy page and see how there are more than one types of "left" and "Socialism." By the way, if you want people to take you seriously, and I have no idea if you do or not, but when people are discussing things at a relatively high level, you might want to type in complete sentences with at least a nod to correct punctuation. Just a suggestion. You do you.

[Seicher Rae]

19 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said:

Godwin.

Yeah, and I'm sorry, but I brought in the grammar police, too. :::facepalms:::  (Sorry, not sorry?)

[KanryDrago]

5 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

Oy. We've been over this in this very thread. Which "left" are you referring to? Sounds like the ultra extreme, and the narrow, old definition. Go back a few pages, click on the link to the Stanford philosophy page and see how there are more than one types of "left" and "Socialism." By the way, if you want people to take you seriously, and I have no idea if you do or not, but when people are discussing things at a relatively high level, you might want to type in complete sentences with at least a nod to correct punctuation. Just a suggestion. You do you.

dont care about stanford university definitions they are american and you lot have wierd political views. 

Most of europe however has been a lot further left than people like obama, not extremist etc in the last 20 years and in that time inequality has grown, wages have stagnated and living standards have dropped. This is why most european countries are moving to the right electorally. The left simply does not work no matter how mild. Even sweden has lurched signifigantly to the right in its electoral patterns. No one who has lived under an extreme left government will vote for one, those that have lived under soft left governments are increasingly voting for more right wing ones as they realise the left simply doesnt work

[Seicher Rae]

2 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

dont care about stanford university definitions they are american and you lot have wierd political views. 

 

It isn't a weird American point of view article. It is a scholarly paper that explains the history and context of socialism and "the left." But I get that you can't be ars*d to actually read something and be informed. 

[Luna Bliss]

8 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

No one who has lived under an extreme left government will vote for one, those that have lived under soft left governments are increasingly voting for more right wing ones as they realise the left simply doesnt work

I'd say the left stopped fulfilling their promise of being 'for the people'...they stopped protecting labor or the working class...they were bought out by moneyed interests.

Unfortunately the working class was duped into believing the right would protect them more, but it won't.  You only have to study the policies of the right in both countries to know this.

The problem is not a left-right fight....the problem is that the money is being funneled to the top as capitalism tend to do without enough regulation.  Money and power engenders more money and power for those who have it...due to its influence.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Luna Bliss

[Seicher Rae]

[Ted McGregor]

32 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

shrugs elect bernie sanders I really dont mind the rest of the world will point and laugh at you when america crashes and burns

I'd like to see him outdo your current president, tyvm.

[KanryDrago]

Just now, Luna Bliss said:

I'd say the left stopped working...they stopped protecting labor or the working class...they were bought out by moneyed interests.

Unfortunately the working class was duped into believing the right would protect them more, but it won't.  You only have to study the policies of the right in both countries to know this.

The problem is not a left-right fight....the problem is that the money is being funneled to the top as capitalism tend to do without enough regulation.  Money and power begets more money and power...due to its influence.

The left never worked, many communities were ***** holes and elected left wing representatives since world war 2....they are still ***** holes because the left arent interested in fixing them. The left have a vested interest in inequality as its their core point of existence...elect us and we will cure it....for some reason they never do I wonder why

[KanryDrago]

Just now, TDD123 said:

I'd like to see him outdo your current president, tyvm.

Not my president I am not american

[Ted McGregor]

@KanryDrago : Sorry .. my bad.

 

Still.

[Luna Bliss]

5 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

The left never worked, many communities were ***** holes and elected left wing representatives since world war 2....they are still ***** holes because the left arent interested in fixing them. The left have a vested interest in inequality as its their core point of existence...elect us and we will cure it....for some reason they never do I wonder why

For awhile the US became more progressive and it was working better for the average person.  We got Medicare and Social Security -- the New Deal.  The wealthy paid far more taxes then.  The economy was good. People could afford homes. One salary was enough to support a household.  In the 70's though, as the right took power the middle class has increasingly been hollowed out...and money sent to the top in society -- multinational corporations.

 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Luna Bliss

[KanryDrago]

1 minute ago, TDD123 said:

@KanryDrago : Sorry .. my bad.

 

Still.

I havent said I am right wing I just am sick of extreme lefties claiming to be so cute and cuddly compared to the left when frankly they are actually just as evil as the extreme right. Yes I class Luna as an extreme leftie

[Luna Bliss]

2 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

I havent said I am right wing I just am sick of extreme lefties claiming to be so cute and cuddly compared to the left when frankly they are actually just as evil as the extreme right. Yes I class Luna as an extreme leftie

 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Luna Bliss

[Ted McGregor]

10 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

I havent said I am right wing I just am sick of extreme lefties claiming to be so cute and cuddly compared to the left when frankly they are actually just as evil as the extreme right. Yes I class Luna as an extreme leftie

I regard her as not ( the extreme that is ) .

She's pointing out to the root of evil. If money gets involved on either side it totally corrupts. This nation , and therefore the rest of the world, is not divided into left or right , but demand and supply.

And it's perpetually being fed from both sides. We are all a part of the same problem. No side is right. Or left. Or wrong.

Edited January 10, 2020 by TDD123
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[KanryDrago]

1 minute ago, TDD123 said:

I regard her as not ( the extreme that is ) .

She's pointing out to the root of evil. If money get involved on either side it totally corrupts. This nation , and therefore the rest of the world, is not divided into left or right , but demand and suppy

And it's perpetually being fed from both sides. We are all a part of the same problem. No side is right. Or left. Or wrong.

and I haven't said the right is correct, I just combatted her view that the left is the moral high ground. As to her not being extreme you obviously havent been around her enough

[Luna Bliss]

1 minute ago, KanryDrago said:

I just combatted her view that the left is the moral high ground. As to her not being extreme you obviously havent been around her enough

I'm not sure how having a concern for the disadvantaged in society, and wanting to funnel more money to them and less to multi-national corporations, would be considered extremely on the left.  Only in today's climate, and from those who are spouting such silliness and insuring that those with most of the wealth keep it.

[Luna Bliss]

I think I know what the problem is...

 

[Ted McGregor]

Oh,  how I'd love the idea this day and age was the hell Joseph McCarthy was send to.