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7 minutes ago, Peryda said:

Who is "us?"  Some monolithic group of people who spent the last 10 years of their lives debating me about the benefits of BOM vs. the latest and greatest Nails HUD applier for some 11 years collective?  Thanks but I'm not a group joiner nor perceive a monolithic, monochrome "we" vs me in some non-existent fantasy you created in your mind.

Peryda, I have to say -- as someone who has always been very interested in the arts and education sims that SL has hosted over the years, and who has built exhibits herself in SL, I have a great deal of sympathy with the main thrust of your initial post. I think LL should support these, probably more than they do. Of course, they are making a business decision when they make that determination, but places like the ones you describe do add to the attractiveness of SL for a diverse range of people.

But your tone in response to others who have posted here, and most especially your derisive expression of contempt for anyone who finds other things attractive in SL, is a real turn-off.

Surely it is possible to make your argument cogently and forcefully, without being so dismissive of others, and their particular choices and preferences? You're making anyone who does support educational, science, and arts regions in SL look like unpleasant, elitist snobs. And speaking as someone who does support these things, I'd much rather you didn't.

Can you take a different tone here, perhaps? One that is more constructive, and less belligerent?

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37 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:
  1. This is a public forum - you do not get to choose who reacts to your posts nor why they do so
  2. My responses thus far are blunt and matter of fact - deal with it or use the Ignore function
  3. Your assumptions and reactions make your intent rather clear
    1. I already stated in my initial post that any reaction you have is your own and is quite irrelevant to the information presented/points being made
  4. You then came at anyone who responded with both barrels and the attitude of a troll

Own your responses and attitude.

My responses are to a bunch of hostility that is directed at no one, but they must wake up and do this as a hobby.  My letter stated "To Whom it May Concern,' and if it didn't concern you, it didn't.

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Just now, Cindy Evanier said:

Take it, my head is still with images of Jason holding my umm cat 👼

I'm glad I don't know you in real life.  All I can say.  Please clear out the pile of trash and horde before calling 911 because my EMT friends don't want to move your piles of trash before lugging you out to the ambulance.

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See point number one in that list: This is a public forum and you do not get to decide who responds or how they respond. If you wish to write a letter, do so and mail it off to its intended recipient. If your intent was to write an "open letter" then you should have done so on your own blog/forum.

Any "hostility" you perceived within the initial responses existed solely in your own mind and should have been dismissed. Instead you reacted to this perception and thus responded in a hostile manner, thus making your response the first post containing a hostile tone.

ETA: Seems I missed something a bit ago as well ... These forums are classified as a web site, Second Life regions/simulators are not nor are MMO world servers. Now, do you have anything else you would like to use to attempt to justify your tone and responses or are you done?

A silly question honestly as your responses thus far have shown.

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5 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Peryda, I have to say -- as someone who has always been very interested in the arts and education sims that SL has hosted over the years, and who has built exhibits herself in SL, I have a great deal of sympathy with the main thrust of your initial post. I think LL should support these, probably more than they do. Of course, they are making a business decision when they make that determination, but places like the ones you describe do add to the attractiveness of SL for a diverse range of people.

But your tone in response to others who have posted here, and most especially your derisive expression of contempt for anyone who finds other things attractive in SL, is a real turn-off.

Surely it is possible to make your argument cogently and forcefully, without being so dismissive of others, and their particular choices and preferences? You're making anyone who does support educational, science, and arts regions in SL look like unpleasant, elitist snobs. And speaking as someone who does support these things, I'd much rather you didn't.

Can you take a different tone here, perhaps? One that is more constructive, and less belligerent?

I am replying to belligerence.  I don't care if they find it appalling that I think child-sex and animal-sex is a putrid and hideous escape. I really don't care at all if they dislike that about me anymore than they care if I think they're hideous and grotesque with a profound psychological problem that is well beyond me to comprehend nor do I choose to try to comprehend it.   I think they are more angry that I said that than anything else -- and if they were proud of themselves and felt righteous they wouldn't feel the need to write a nasty reply.  Clearly they are freaked out by their own psychology and are projecting it upon my post -- as an attack, rather than just putting me on ignore as someone they didn't need to read that day  Its good -- the truth of themselves shines forth!!

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13 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Right back to your trollish and immature responses I see. Yep, I really need to learn to listen when people so easily reveal their intentions ...

Actually I don't need to listen.  If no one in SL supports the Exploratorium but me then I guess it will be shut down.  And, just like every other plethora of porno trading hubs that have become plagued with nothing but people talking about pornography and trading it -- like IRC, that and "ads' -- I will likely abandon it.  Just like IRC.  Yes, I know you don't care and would be happy for that too -- and I also don't care, so at least we agree on that.

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Please note:  I am not a counselor nor required to listen or consume, on my day off, someone else's psychological problems and why they have those needs or fetishes.  Since I'm not getting paid, no I don't "have to" or "learn to" listen to such nonsense.  

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2 minutes ago, Peryda said:

I am replying to belligerence.

I'm sorry. I just read your unnecessarily nasty response to Cindy, above. She said nothing that merited that putdown.

You are generating far more conflict and nastiness here than you are receiving.

Child-sex is against the CS and TOS of this place. I'm fairly confident that no one posting here is into that, and if they were caught engaging in it, they'd be banned outright. As for animal-sex . . . definitely not my thing, but what does this have to do with your initial point? How is attacking others -- people you are judging without knowing anything about them -- advancing your argument?

Do you not see that your responses to people here is counterproductive to your announced aim?

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1 hour ago, Odaks said:

I fully agree. 100%.

But what on earth has that got to do with a project running out of funds? Are you accusing any persons in Second Life with carrying out, permitting, or in any way facilitating this kind of activity? If so, it is VITAL that you raise an Abuse Report immediately. LL will investigate such a report with a very high priority indeed.

The fact that the majority of sites is about that and a minority of sites that are actually interesting to a 6 year old, making it over-run with self-loathing masturbators in a fantasy cartoon escape world.  Which is sad because its actually a pretty cool platform that could have a lot more uses than that.  By "site" I mean area of the internet and app to connect to a server.

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Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I'm sorry. I just read your unnecessarily nasty response to Cindy, above. She said nothing that merited that putdown.

You are generating far more conflict and nastiness here than you are receiving.

Child-sex is against the CS and TOS of this place. I'm fairly confident that no one posting here is into that, and if they were caught engaging in it, they'd be banned outright. As for animal-sex . . . definitely not my thing, but what does this have to do with your initial point? How is attacking others -- people you are judging without knowing anything about them -- advancing your argument?

Do you not see that your responses to people here is counterproductive to your announced aim?

They've already made their intent quite clear in the way they respond, Scylla.

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4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I'm sorry. I just read your unnecessarily nasty response to Cindy, above. She said nothing that merited that putdown.

You are generating far more conflict and nastiness here than you are receiving.

Child-sex is against the CS and TOS of this place. I'm fairly confident that no one posting here is into that, and if they were caught engaging in it, they'd be banned outright. As for animal-sex . . . definitely not my thing, but what does this have to do with your initial point? How is attacking others -- people you are judging without knowing anything about them -- advancing your argument?

Do you not see that your responses to people here is counterproductive to your announced aim?

Well, the "more room for me" then statement warrants it IMHO.  No, no more room for her then.  Or, if there's more room necessary for her, then I'm moving to another planet, she can have the whole thing to herself without me there.  Thank you.

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Perhaps I have missed the point of this thread. Forgive me if so. Unfortunately, I detest intensely the accusations, suggestions and propositions that are being made blandly about "us". Although I strongly support the continued survival of any educational ventures in Second Life, the manner which this thread is being conducted is definitely not the way to uphold it.

Bye-bye everybody; see you in the next sensibly worded debate.

 

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Just now, Odaks said:

Perhaps I have missed the point of this thread. Forgive me if so. Unfortunately, I detest intensely the accusations, suggestions and propositions that are being made blandly about "us". Although I strongly support the continued survival of any educational ventures in Second Life, the manner which this thread is being conducted is definitely not the way to uphold it.

Bye-bye everybody; see you in the next sensibly worded debate.

 

Considering the track record "Save the X" threads have ... 

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5 minutes ago, Peryda said:

Well, the "more room for me" then statement warrants it IMHO.  No, no more room for her then.  Or, if there's ore room, I'm moving to another planet, she can have the whole thing without me there.  Thank you.

The more room for me came as a response to your OP attack and yes I use the word attack on people who explore their fetishes in SL.  Kink shaming.  I had no idea your  mind was full of kids and animals, it was certainly way far from my mind as I have never encountered it here personally.   You had every opportunity to discuss your wish to preserve a region or website without resorting to all that.  

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25 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

See point number one in that list: This is a public forum and you do not get to decide who responds or how they respond. If you wish to write a letter, do so and mail it off to its intended recipient. If your intent was to write an "open letter" then you should have done so on your own blog/forum.

Any "hostility" you perceived within the initial responses existed solely in your own mind and should have been dismissed. Instead you reacted to this perception and thus responded in a hostile manner, thus making your response the first post containing a hostile tone.

ETA: Seems I missed something a bit ago as well ... These forums are classified as a web site, Second Life regions/simulators are not nor are MMO world servers. Now, do you have anything else you would like to use to attempt to justify your tone and responses or are you done?

A silly question honestly as your responses thus far have shown.

They are servers connected to the World Wide Web, and internet and therefore websites.  There are also links on the 'map' on websites to the locations in the server, which then opens their app that connects to a browser that accesses the location on the server.  It is a website.  

https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/dullahan/

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Cindy Evanier said:

The more room for me came as a response to your OP attack and yes I use the word attack on people who explore their fetishes in SL.  Kink shaming.  I had no idea your  mind was full of ***** and *****, it was certainly way far from my mind as I have never encountered it here personally.   You had every opportunity to discuss your wish to preserve a region or website without resorting to all that.  

the only kink i shamed was animal and ***** and both animals and children are innocent and cannot choose to have sex with you.  

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If by "you" plural you mean those with fetishes to force their sexuality upon creatures who cannot choose to do so, then "you" plural should be ashamed.  However, I was replying to a fantasy "Us" created in the minds of some people who appear to believe they speak on behalf of all SL users except myself, which simply does not exist as an "Us" except in their mind.

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6 minutes ago, Peryda said:

the only kink i shamed was animal and ***** and both animals and children are innocent and cannot choose to have sex with you.  

and I agree with that but I suggest you read your OP , it was broad sweeping and did not mention that,  just fetishes

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So you're going to double down on your quite incorrect assertion while spouting off a link to Dullahan (which has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual regions/simulators) as well as a screenshot showing Singularity, two Dullahan hosts and two instances of SLplugin?

All that to deflect from everything else?

I'll simplify this for you: Second Life regions/simulators are not Web Pages just as MMO world servers are not Web Pages. Being served over the Internet/from a server does not automatically make something a Web Page, despite it being able to be classified as Web Content (yes, there is a difference).

You can attempt to argue over it all you'd like but the simple reality is that it was brought up by you as a deflection tactic. Sorry, not going to work.

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1 minute ago, Cindy Evanier said:

and I agree with that but I suggest you read your OP , it was broad sweeping and did not mention that,  just fetishes

Their responses and tone thus far as well as their word choices speak volumes concerning their intent and frame of mind, Cindy.

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