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2 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

Troll topics often do, especially in these forums for some reason.

I think that we all start off being goofy when a troll topic gets posted, because we know it's a troll topic, and then because we are an intelligent and verbose group, it inevitably turns into something more serious. 

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Greetings!   Politics can bring out both the best, and the worst, in people, which is why many say that there are 2 things that should not be discussed, politics being the first of those 2. 

No, quite the opposite in fact. Services to and for the poor are being cut, largely by Republican controlled legislatures. Food stamps for one most recently in the news. Certainly in my area cuts

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1 minute ago, Seicher Rae said:

Troll topics often do, especially in these forums for some reason. I know I'm posting here because I'm bored out of my mind, soon getting ready to be tipsy and bored. I figure this thread will be closed, the responses sent to Siberia, and more of the who gives an eff stuff. In between the nonsense I do learn things about people, not necessarily what they are writing about, but more about who they are. So sometimes useful.

I agree, I think there’s good stuff in here!

I just think it’s more interesting than the usual passive aggressive and frivolous stuff. I just think it’s funny that it came from a troll post and I don’t think the original intent was this....whatever you want to call it happening.

It was a good steam valve....

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Just now, janetosilio said:

It was a good steam valve....

Holiday stress getting to more than just those of us venting in the other thread? 

When is the Linden snowball fight? We can all gather there and pummel each other and get it out of our systems for a minute. 

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8 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Tell us how it happened in Rome.

The health insurance and petroleum industries found out they could buy the legislators and vote themselves loads of doubloons or whatever Roman money was called, and convince people this was a really good idea because if they didn't the barbarians would come in with their socialism and all sign up for welfare, but the people wouldn't build a wall and the barbarians came to get on the dole and everyone died of bubonic AIDS.

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3 minutes ago, Lyssa Greymoon said:

The health insurance and petroleum industries found out they could buy the legislators and vote themselves loads of doubloons or whatever Roman money was called, and convince people this was a really good idea because if they didn't the barbarians would come in with their socialism and all sign up for welfare, but the people wouldn't build a wall and the barbarians came to get on the dole and everyone died of bubonic AIDS.

But try writing that in your A level exam and see what bloody Edexcel does!

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34 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

That's not even all of what he's said. I can't bear to go into it all right now, but it's been common knowledge and widely reported for a very long time, and you definitely couldn't miss it in the last few weeks. A little Googling will bring it all up. That's our Prime Minister. 

I need an "agree" button that's not "Like". Because I do not "like" this one little bit.

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1 minute ago, Seicher Rae said:

:::listens:::

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In a nutshell, as the Assembly became more and more powerful at the expense of the Senate, it began to decide on matters of war, who would be consul,  etc. based less on who would do the best job and more on who would give them the most, rather than generally deferring to the Senate.  Oh, and outright bribery became much more common, because you couldn't bribe your way into the Senate, but you could bribe enough people to be a Consul, even if it was technically illegal.  Follow the careers of Marius to Caesar to Augustus and watch how bribing and/or whipping up the urban populace (the "democratic" element in their government) became ever more important.  Prior to that time, the internal rivalries between Senators ensured that no one could attain supreme power for longer than a year.  Even someone like Scipio Africanus, who finally put an end to Hannibal's campaign against Rome, couldn't stay on top for long.  But, when a scared populace decides to ignore the law and elect a popular general (Marius) Consul in absentia, and do it 5 years in a row, because his partisans on the one hand raise the level of fear (of the Cimbri and the Teutones) and on the other promise great rewards from plunder, and you've set the stage for civil wars, triumvirates, and finally perpetual dictatorship.  Add into the mix the permanent elimination of property requirements to serve in the legions (thus permitting Marius, Sulla, etc. to turn penniless men into soldiers reliant on their general, not the Republic, for their future) and you've laid the groundwork for someone like Pompey, at best a mediocre general, despised by the Senatorial elite, but rich and popular with the ignorant commoners.

Remind you of anyone?

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25 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

:::listens:::

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1 minute ago, Tolya Ugajin said:

In a nutshell, as the Assembly became more and more powerful at the expense of the Senate, it began to decide on matters of war, who would be consul,  etc. based less on who would do the best job and more on who would give them the most, rather than generally deferring to the Senate.  Oh, and outright bribery became much more common, because you couldn't bribe your way into the Senate, but you could bribe enough people to be a Consul, even if it was technically illegal.  Follow the careers of Marius to Caesar to Augustus and watch how bribing and/or whipping up the urban populace (the "democratic" element in their government) became ever more important.  Prior to that time, the internal rivalries between Senators ensured that no one could attain supreme power for longer than a year.  Even someone like Scipio Africanus, who finally put an end to Hannibal's campaign against Rome, couldn't stay on top for long.  But, when a scared populace decides to ignore the law and elect a popular general (Marius) Consul in absentia, and do it 5 years in a row, because his partisans on the one hand raise the level of fear (of the Cimbri and the Teutones) and on the other promise great rewards from plunder, and you've set the stage for civil wars, triumvirates, and finally perpetual dictatorship.  Add into the mix the permanent elimination of property requirements to serve in the legions (thus permitting Marius, Sulla, etc. to turn penniless men into soldiers reliant on their general, not the Republic, for their future) and you've laid the groundwork for someone like Pompey, at best a mediocre general, despised by the Senatorial elite, but rich and popular with the ignorant commoners.

Remind you of anyone?

Needs footnotes.

 

 

And cowbell.

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47 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

Oh, I can be quite passionate. Still can't get a date though. And then there's the whole Orwar needing to recover because you forced us to kiss in a gif.

Oh, you didn't mean horny there, did you...

:::wanders off in search of cheap wine:::

NOT THE CHEAP STUFF!!!

Although, I must admit, you can get very good Spanish reds for under $10/bottle.

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13 minutes ago, Tolya Ugajin said:

In a nutshell, as the Assembly became more and more powerful at the expense of the Senate, it began to decide on matters of war, who would be consul,  etc. based less on who would do the best job and more on who would give them the most, rather than generally deferring to the Senate.  Oh, and outright bribery became much more common, because you couldn't bribe your way into the Senate, but you could bribe enough people to be a Consul, even if it was technically illegal.  Follow the careers of Marius to Caesar to Augustus and watch how bribing and/or whipping up the urban populace (the "democratic" element in their government) became ever more important.  Prior to that time, the internal rivalries between Senators ensured that no one could attain supreme power for longer than a year.  Even someone like Scipio Africanus, who finally put an end to Hannibal's campaign against Rome, couldn't stay on top for long.  But, when a scared populace decides to ignore the law and elect a popular general (Marius) Consul in absentia, and do it 5 years in a row, because his partisans on the one hand raise the level of fear (of the Cimbri and the Teutones) and on the other promise great rewards from plunder, and you've set the stage for civil wars, triumvirates, and finally perpetual dictatorship.  Add into the mix the permanent elimination of property requirements to serve in the legions (thus permitting Marius, Sulla, etc. to turn penniless men into soldiers reliant on their general, not the Republic, for their future) and you've laid the groundwork for someone like Pompey, at best a mediocre general, despised by the Senatorial elite, but rich and popular with the ignorant commoners.

Remind you of anyone?

Substitute only the names, and you have the US political system right there.

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6 minutes ago, Tolya Ugajin said:

In a nutshell...

Huh. I always thought it was because the barbarians refused to pay for the wall that was promised to the Romans to protect Rome from ebolasyphilitis. The wall was supposed to be in the Teutoburg Forest (and therefore impossible to go around the ends of it), and because it wasn't paid and built by the Goths, the Goths got all emo, applied dark makeup and blared The Cure while destroying Varus's troops.

Nope, doesn't remind me of anyone at all.

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1 hour ago, Matty Luminos said:

Yes. This makes me wonder if democracy is even worth the effort.

The average reading age of adults in the UK is 7 years old. Those people are voting on my future and that scares me.

Personally, I'm in favor of a benevolent dictatorship...but only if it's me.

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Just now, Seicher Rae said:

Huh. I always thought it was because the barbarians refused to pay for the wall that was promised to the Romans to protect Rome from ebolasyphilitis. The wall was supposed to be in the Teutoburg Forest (and therefore impossible to go around the ends of it), and because it wasn't paid and built by the Goths, the Goths got all emo, applied dark makeup and blared The Cure while destroying Varus's troops.

Nope, doesn't remind me of anyone at all.

Thanks a lot.

You made me laugh so hard I peed myself.

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11 minutes ago, Tolya Ugajin said:

NOT THE CHEAP STUFF!!!

Although, I must admit, you can get very good Spanish reds for under $10/bottle.

It is a BOX of pinot noir. This. This from someone who lived in CA wine country. I do read articles still, and magazines and websites like Food & Wine will sometimes review wines. This one got a high review, I believe the exact words were, "It actually tastes like wine!"

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2 minutes ago, Matty Luminos said:

Substitute only the names, and you have the US political system right there.

Yeah but I can never decide who are the Populares and who are the Optimates. 

At any rate, don't be selfish and vote purely for your own self-interest.  Vote for what you think is going to be in the best long-term interest of the nation (or at the state and local levels, those) as a whole.

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