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Hello,

A friend of mine relatively recently put a chat relay on his public club parcel which sends everything that happens in local chat to a public Discord channel on his server (on which a fair amount of people are). Now, I myself found this rather disturbing and it feels like a violation of privacy. He has put up an automatic notice that pops up when you enter the club, which states that everyone is being recorded and that being on the parcel is giving consent.

My question is, is this within the terms of service?

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The portion pertaining to Remote Monitoring is:

"Remotely monitoring inworld conversations (text or voice chat) without the knowledge or consent of all parties involved is a violation of the Terms of Service. If you feel recording a conversation is necessary, post a clearly-visible sign in the recording location so that all Residents who enter can see it."

Per the part that I bolded, while it doesn't appear that a sign was posted, you do get notified of the recording.  Thus in my view, they have given you notice and by staying you are giving your consent.  However, only LL can determine whether or not the pop-up notice when you arrive is considered pretty much the same as posting a clearly visible sign.  AR the location and provide your thoughts on why they are in violation of the above.

 

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8 minutes ago, PrincessFlutters said:

Hello,

A friend of mine relatively recently put a chat relay on his public club parcel which sends everything that happens in local chat to a public Discord channel on his server (on which a fair amount of people are). Now, I myself found this rather disturbing and it feels like a violation of privacy. He has put up an automatic notice that pops up when you enter the club, which states that everyone is being recorded and that being on the parcel is giving consent.

My question is, is this within the terms of service?

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Residents'_privacy_rights

No

Or here https://www.lindenlab.com/legal/community-standards  

 Except for the purpose of reporting abuse or any violation of policies to Linden Lab, the remote monitoring, posting or sharing of conversations without a participant’s consent are prohibited.

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3 minutes ago, PrincessFlutters said:

So it's not for an abuse report.

I disagree.  Filing an abuse report clearly and concisely pointing your report to those links will only flag it up for someone in LL to look at it.  If they find it is ok then nothing will happen and no harm done.  It's a shame you can't name and shame the club directly on the forums because I am sure most of us would prefer to avoid that. :) 

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2 hours ago, giggles3440 said:

Technically It says here in the website of There ToS :  https://gyazo.com/0484bd7bba7bf0aa77989fa9421fe046

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Residents'_privacy_rights

 

3rd Paragraph Of Remote Monitoring at the end of there partial paragraph  "If you feel recording a conversation is necessary, post a clearly-visible sign in the recording location so that all Residents who enter can see it."

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Anyone can contact support and ask for clarification.  

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7 minutes ago, Cindy Evanier said:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Residents'_privacy_rights

No

Or here https://www.lindenlab.com/legal/community-standards  

 Except for the purpose of reporting abuse or any violation of policies to Linden Lab, the remote monitoring, posting or sharing of conversations without a participant’s consent are prohibited.

The logs are instantly transmitted to a publicly viewable channel in his Discord server. So it's not for an abuse report. There also is no separate spot on the area that is not monitored, so from the moment you enter and while you get the notice, you are already being monitored.

Thank you for these links.

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I agree with Lil.  The pop-up notice constitutes notification (and is arguably better than a sign).  Thus, it's (IMO) within the ToS.

I wouldn't go there, though.  If I did, I'd communicate only in IM.

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"You realize this will become a part of your Permanent Record".

(Much less of a joke than it used to be.)

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Provided there is proper notice, there isn't a problem.

I do this on my home parcel and have this notice printed out to nearby chat to ANYONE who enters my parcel:

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PRIVACY NOTICE: Chat on this parcel is synchronized with a remote chat. Local chat said here will be transmitted to a remote server.\nIf you do not agree with to this, please leave the parcel. If you wish for any chat logs to be deleted, please contact secondlife:///app/agent/796b1537-70d8-497d-934e-0abcc2a60050/im and I'll look into it.

 

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18 hours ago, Chaser Zaks said:

Provided there is proper notice, there isn't a problem.

I do this on my home parcel and have this notice printed out to nearby chat to ANYONE who enters my parcel:

 

I am still looking for a product that does relay to discord for my visitor list and will send purchases that people make from my vendor to discord, but far as I've gotten is region restarts.

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On 11/23/2019 at 6:19 AM, Cindy Evanier said:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Residents'_privacy_rights

No

Or here https://www.lindenlab.com/legal/community-standards  

 Except for the purpose of reporting abuse or any violation of policies to Linden Lab, the remote monitoring, posting or sharing of conversations without a participant’s consent are prohibited.

Technically It says here in the website of There ToS :  https://gyazo.com/0484bd7bba7bf0aa77989fa9421fe046

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Residents'_privacy_rights

 

3rd Paragraph Of Remote Monitoring at the end of there partial paragraph  "If you feel recording a conversation is necessary, post a clearly-visible sign in the recording location so that all Residents who enter can see it."

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I would have to disagree that it would be ok to do. Just because you enter a group or sim does not mean you are giving consent to anyone in that group of sim just by being there. If anything that club needs to provide an opt-out option where anyone that doesnt want to be monitored can be asked not to be. In fact you can contact the sim owner and tell them you dont give consent and that you revoke any implied or assumed consent that they have tried to take from you. The worst case is they will kick you or ban you from coming back to the sim. If they dont and they continue to try and monitor you, You can report them for breach of ToS at that point.

No individual outside of LL has the right to arbitrarily modify anyones right to consent for any reason, be it in a group or sim. You cannot force consent to be given or imply consent is given or assume consent is given just because you entered an area or group ever, that is not how consent works and never was.

Sign or not post or not local message or not consent doesnt legally work that way. You always have the right to revoke consent to monitoring, at most all they can do is tell you to leave and not come back. At which point you tell all your friends and anyone else about the group/club/sim and what they do so less people go there.

Once it gets around word of mouth that people are being monitored against their consent less people will go there over time and the place will die out.

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