Genuine inquiry and concern for some of the adult content.

[AnonymousConcern 37]

Everyone reading, please don't troll here. Keep calm, kind and respect the rules of the forums. I don't want this to become an abusive debate or discriminate anyone. I just want to speak out in concern of observation from not just myself, but many other residents aswell.

So there are a few things I'm going to list here which I see existing in SL, which I am asking for a re-consideration of being able to continue to exist in SL as I feel they promote harm, whether psychologically, or negative/dangerous influence in the real world. Things which are often found infact in the "Deep web/Dark web".

 

•  Rape Roleplay
•  AFK/Sleeping Sex - (if people don't realize, this is illegal in real life, so don't go trying it...)
•  Age-Playing - I don't mean RPing family's here. I mean literal, Adult *****/fetish, I know there is a BDSM community which I'm fine with, I just think this needs to be checked out as some avatars/objects are going a bit too far with being "little".
•  ***** ("things with animals")
•  Date Rape (can purchase pills on the Market Place to simulate this - which is against MP terms of service quotes to links provided below, and before stating to me "flag this" I have more then once and nothing is ever done about it).

 

Why are these things being allowed to remain in SL? Everything I have listed here, is Rape, even boarder-lining Paedophilic tendencies. I really think Linden Lab Staff need to get onto Marketplace, Secondlife and see what's really going on around these "fetish promotive venues/stores". I love SL, for the consensual, innocent side. This side of SL though I really dislike and I know I am just echoing concerns of many others aswell. Please, check for yourselves, get on top of this LL. Some things I have seen are extremely disturbing.

 

Thank you for reading, if anyone wants to add their concerns or opinions that's fine, but just keep it civil all. I don't want this to become something of a protest.

 

Links:

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/listing_guidelines

Edited November 21, 2019 by AnonymousConcern
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[Qie Niangao 4,546]

I don't know about any of the rest, but sexual age-play is extremely prohibited and has been for years. (Obviously I'm not talking about literal, RL minors -- that's prohibited in a whole different way -- and I take it you, too, are talking about young-appearing avatars engaged in Adult activities.)

This is so prohibited (and very quickly and summarily acted upon) that it has some regions in dread of visitors looking under thirty. I'm not kidding. Go to any Gorean region, for example, and check their avatar height requirements: male avatars are required to be above the 99th percentile of real life adult heights, lest they be depicted in view of other avatars having pixel sex. That's how paranoid the enforcement has made folks. So if you're seeing anything that could possibly be construed as sexual age-play, gather some evidence and file an abuse report and accounts will be gone nearly overnight. (But don't do it unless you're okay with the venue possibly being shutdown, too. I don't think that part happens every time, but it must happen often enough to cause extreme caution by legitimate Adult region managers.)

Edited November 21, 2019 by Qie Niangao

[Mollymews 4,913]

Linden are bound by US law.  US law like english law from which it originates, is based on the proscription principle unlike some other countries where the law is prescriptive

prescriptive means that everything is illegal unless allowed by law.  Proscriptive means that everything is allowed unless it is proscribed/disallowed by law

Linden may choose to proscribe any activity on their platform provided that the proscription is not itself proscribed by US law

a thing about Linden and how it approached Second Life was the upholding of the proscription principle. An upholding which came from the company founder and shareholders primary philosophical viewpoint.  From a western societal perspective this philosophical viewpoint is classic liberalism, sometimes referred to today as libertarianism. Which when not put into a context can be a bit misleading.  A context is: Liberal vs Conservative. Libertarian vs Authoritarian 

in the Second Life case then the level of proscription was held to the common denominator according to the founder/shareholders philosophy.  This being, only proscribing in SL that which is proscribed by US law. Which is the least amount of prescription and the least amount of proscription while remaining lawful. This being the classic liberal viewpoint of the common denominator

 

[cheesecurd 580]

Rape RP is some people’s fetish, within the safe confines of SL it’s never non consensual in nature. People agree to play that RP. Nobody can really force you but you can pretend. If you want out and your safe word doesn’t stop the action then you click the red X, rejoin at your home location or a safe hub, and then raise hell.

AFK sex is a whole other matter but RP sleep sex is consensual in the same way as rape play. You know what’s going on and both parties agree to it. If you want out you get out.

Quickly on both of those before I move onto the other ones. Those are some more extreme fetishes based around taking advantage of someone. But it’s SecondLife, it’s not real. It’s all pretend and SL is a safe grounds to do those kinds of things. 
 

***** within avatars of legal age is no problem. If Stacy who’s canonically 18 as of yesterday wants to do the dirty with old man Jenkins of the ripe age of 89, that’s between them. Nothing gray area there, just a bit odd. Underaged sexual content is very much so against the rules and is prohibited globally in the game. Underaged avatars or players are never allowed near anything sexual. There are some grey areas here, what is and isn’t considered sexual in nature is up for debate, consider that an underage avatar or player is allowed at a nude beach provided its M rated with nothing sexual on the premises, though (correct me if I’m wrong) they’re not allowed to be nude as well. I’m sure it goes on somewhere, not everyone is being watched 24/7 and there’s not a moderator in every private location. It’s known that it exists but it’s very much so against the rules and LL is very strict about it, and punishes quickly and harshly for it.

***** or animal play isn’t against the rules. That’s definitely a gray area but that kind of content isn’t regulated the same way as underaged avatars would be. It would be classified irl in a similar manner to artistic media depictions which are not regulated in any way legally. You can draw a guy with a dog. You can have sex with a dog in SL, it’s both the same in the eyes of the law. There is no real animal involved. And if there’s no animal involved then no animal protection laws are in place. This is different than underaged content which is subject to legal scrutiny in many places. 

Date rape fits in directly with the rape play aspect, though the items are definitely against the rules as they are depictions of drugs regardless of their use.

 

 

[Coffee Pancake 5,237]

Depictions of certain sexual acts are in some places just as illegal as committing the act. This is sufficient to end up fined / in jail / on a list / life ruined.

No real anything need ever be involved or harmed. Yes, this includes zoophilia.

Do not assume everything in SL being in some way 'pretend' grants any indemnity.

The SL ToS are not the last word. It covers LL's butt, not yours.

Edited November 22, 2019 by CoffeeDujour

[Pussycat Catnap 4,948]

OP: I don't think you understand what the AFK sims are up to or about...

 

[cheesecurd 580]

49 minutes ago, CoffeeDujour said:

Depictions of certain sexual acts are in some places just as illegal as committing the act. This is sufficient to end up fined / in jail / on a list / life ruined.

No real anything need ever be involved or harmed. Yes, this includes zoophilia.

Do not assume everything in SL being in some way 'pretend' grants any indemnity.

The SL ToS are not the last word. It covers LL's butt, not yours.

Quote here being “some places”. In the US it’s dependent on the state you are in and the laws of Arizona where LL’s servers are.

But for every state, “erotic art” is not legally regulated in any way other than general obscenity laws, and those have to do with public display. Erotic art being any media that isn’t real life, anything other than a recorded video or photographed image of real life. SL would be considered this media. Regardless of if there are real people behind the screens, everything on the screen is technically an artistic depiction. 
I’m going to use zoophilia here since it’s the most “grey area” of the bunch. The irl act is only dependent on state law, but artistic depictions are not covered by those laws in any form as they do not involve anything irl. Owning, distributing or selling “erotic zoophilia art” is 100% legal in all US states. Meaning anything you do related in SL is 100% legal.

This also applies to rape play and age differences but some of those are covered under general obscenity laws, but again only apply to real life content. Not artistic depictions or “erotic art”, which SL would be categorized as.

Technically this also means underaged content would be legal in its entirety as far as the US is concerned, but that’s mainly omitted to avoid controversy on a social level in SL, as it’s very bad press.

I understand there are police states like the UK where certain fetishes are illegal even in artistic depiction but SL is a US based game, you are protected as a US citizen, though maybe not in other places.

Edited November 22, 2019 by cheesecurd

[Coffee Pancake 5,237]

8 minutes ago, cheesecurd said:

everything on the screen is technically an artistic depiction

Good luck !

[AnonymousConcern 37]

5 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

OP: I don't think you understand what the AFK sims are up to or about...

 

Enlighten me, AFK sex is considered sleeping, unconscious sex with someone. Some locations even have it in their descriptions.

Coffee I agree with what you say.

For people in defense its "pretend". So is porn, its acting, infact a lot of the time the "actions" are even fake too. It never makes it ok to create a depiction of abuse however. 

Edited November 22, 2019 by AnonymousConcern

[AnonymousConcern 37]

As for Erotic Art. From a RL experienced Artist perspective, even art isn't allowed to depict abuse really. There are some yes, which are about it, but its usually known that the creator is expressing experiences had, it's not glorifying or normalizing these things, nor is it ever that graphic either. 

In RL, these things scar people mentally, physically, even cause death. So I think there needs to be a crack down on this "RP".

[Qie Niangao 4,546]

55 minutes ago, AnonymousConcern said:

Enlighten me, AFK sex is considered sleeping, unconscious sex with someone.

There may be some, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority have nothing to do with sleeping. They still seem pretty creepy to me, but the "AFK" partner is really more like an NPC, typically, and uses regular sex animations as if they were "awake" rather than sleeping. And when I try to be rational about being creeped-out about it, I realize I'm somehow objecting to simple pixel-stimulated masturbation, which is uncharacteristically prudish of me.

[cheesecurd 580]

2 hours ago, AnonymousConcern said:

even art isn't allowed to depict abuse really

Not the case in the US. Unless it’s categorized as obscene imagery which has pretty strict criteria and requires a jury in court to make the decision on if it’s obscene or not. 
And it’s not exactly a common thing for that to happen.

2 hours ago, AnonymousConcern said:

In RL, these things scar people mentally, physically, even cause death

And this is not real life. It’s SecondLife. It’s not real and is not equivalent.

7 hours ago, CoffeeDujour said:

Good luck !

Don’t need luck, US laws protect everything listed by OP with the exception of underage content, which as far as SecondLife would be considered, is obscene content but only in a very extreme case where no redeeming value could be attributed to SL as a whole. 
 

I shouldn’t have to state that SecondLife isn’t real, and that the sexual content here is equivalent in the eyes of the law to any other hand created pornography.
Personal morals are not pertinent.

Edited November 22, 2019 by cheesecurd

[Artorius Constantine 86]

14 hours ago, AnonymousConcern said:

I feel they promote harm

Then YOU should avoid those places that do these things. Problem solved!

Just a note for everyone reading, (Banned word for adult & animal relationships) is not really allowed in SL. Even the word is banned. Simulating the act with real animals is generally a no-no but with Fantasy beasts, like Dragons and Furries, is OK because there is no law against it anywhere so LL doesn't care. However real animals are another story. LL has even purged the MP a couple times and have closed down sims for it. There was a huge purge a year or two ago that ended up with long term players being perma-banned. They (LL) don't get everything, we know how "hit and miss" enforcement can be, but they do frown on it and will remove it. Werewolf, not a problem, real wolf, possible perma-ban.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Artorius Constantine
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[cheesecurd 580]

1 hour ago, Artorius Constantine said:

Then YOU should avoid those places that do these things. Problem solved!

Just a note for everyone reading, (Banned word for adult & animal relationships) is not really allowed in SL. Even the word is banned. Simulating the act with real animals is generally a no-no but with Fantasy beasts, like Dragons and Furries, is OK because there is no law against it anywhere so LL doesn't care. However real animals are another story. LL has even purged the MP a couple times and have closed down sims for it. There was a huge purge a year or two ago that ended up with long term players being perma-banned. They (LL) don't get everything, we know how "hit and miss" enforcement can be, but they do frown on it and will remove it. Werewolf, not a problem, real wolf, possible perma-ban.

Preface, I’m going to use zoophilia in place of the other word even though I know the two things are different, just so it’s not filtered.

As far as I was aware in SL while the marketplace content may be restricted the act itself ingame was permitted. The content on the marketplace is more heavily regulated since it shows up on google searches but ingame content is not as strictly regulated. Specifically for zoophila it’s technically pornography and there’s only one state where the distribution or possession of that pornography is illegal. In the end its two people doing something weird. And while you could argue the same thing about underaged avatars the problem there is that there are standings on obscenity laws that apply to that kind of situation. There are none for zoophilic content. Unless you’re in Oregon there’s nothing legally that says you can’t.

SL in particular specifies depictions, player to player interaction is not the same as a depiction. A depiction would be something to present, player to player is a private act.

SL is a different matter and while their TOS does specify these three things in particular as prohibited content guidelines that make it part of that gray area:

-Content involving illegality, such as piracy, criminal activity, terrorism, obscenity, child pornography, gambling, and illegal drug use.

Under this clause the actions of zoophilia would be criminal activity or illegality, buuuuuut, In the same sense that rape play is not simulating the crime of rape since it is consensual to both parties, simulating the act of zoophilia is not simulating a crime as it’s simply a roleplay between two consenting players. There is not a virtual animal with the legal standing on consent as a real animal. I believe however that this would exclusively apply to actual players interacting as that is peer to peer and technically a roleplay sexual act rather than an inanimate object, such as an animal shaped sex doll, that would be considered a depiction of criminal activity, since there is no person to person content in the action involved it is no longer the roleplay and is instead a depiction of an illegal sexual act. 
Granted the TOS is vague for a reason and allows for linden labs to make the specific shots, but the content I’ve heard of being removed from the marketplace is mainly that one sided content, animal avatars or genital accessories for those avatars have been permitted and the virtual act I’ve never personally heard of anyone being banned over. Though you are saying people have been banned over it (and I am not contesting this) but I would like to see that if there’s an article on it anywhere to see what the stance was on the content and the situation at the time.

The child avatar thing again is a different issue because there are more laws on that, it’s covered under obscenity laws. So the aspect of it being a sexual roleplay between two players is thrown out the window.

-Cruel or hateful content that could harm, harass, promote or condone violence against, or that is primarily intended to incite hatred of, animals, or individuals or groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, nationality, disability, gender, age, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity.

This would also prohibit zoophilia in SL but only if you could consider the animal being harmed.  And since behind the avatar is a player and not an animal, no animal is harmed. This would prohibit players from simulating the Murder of non player animals or torture of some form on them, but this is also kind of vague for similar reasons in that it would be up to LL to handle it specifically. Consider that virtual hunting is allowed, Thats cruel content that condones violence against animals, but that’s not bannable. What this supposedly covers would be something along the lines of an item that lets you kick puppies. While kicking your friend who plays as a puppy wouldn’t be the same thing since it’s a peer to peer interaction instead of a single person presenting a depiction of animal abuse.

-Sexually explicit content.

And that line right there is why the TOS is so vague. What exactly is sexually explicit content? By this logic nobody should be able to ever have any sex at all ingame. Any form of genitalia or pornography in SL or anything sexual would be against the TOS. 
But that’s clearly not the case, there is no further wording on what sexually explicit content is.

Its things like that which leave me with the idea that until there is a specific clause about zoophilia in SL, in the confines of the current TOS it is both permitted as simply being sexual RP between two consenting players but also prohibited on generally ambiguity. One could argue that a persons avatar doesn’t really matter that much with the exception of the clauses on underaged avatars, but that there is no clauses on sexual activity with animal avatars, but rather depictions. And then if you want to consider an act between two avatars to be a depiction or not.

In my web crawling on an off topic note, I hate all of you who use black text on these forums because I use night mode and I cannot read a damn thing they post without highlighting it all or changing the theme to day mode.

I would like to hear a Lidens standpoint on something like this. While I personally don’t condone zoophilia or really any of the above sexual acts and themes from OPs post, as far as I am concerned none of it is illegal with the exception of underaged avatars, and market content restrictions do not reflect ingame content restrictions. What two consenting adults do in a virtual world within the content guidelines of the region they are in is between them and nobody else. Regardless of the avatar, again though with the exception of underaged avatars as there are actual standing laws on that sort of content. But there are none on rape play, zoophilia or other “hard” fetishes. And even if I don’t like it, I won’t let my tastes dictate what another person can do, and in my head as long as nobody is being harmed IRL then nothing has been done wrong.

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by cheesecurd

[AnonymousConcern 37]

5 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

There may be some, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority have nothing to do with sleeping. They still seem pretty creepy to me, but the "AFK" partner is really more like an NPC, typically, and uses regular sex animations as if they were "awake" rather than sleeping. And when I try to be rational about being creeped-out about it, I realize I'm somehow objecting to simple pixel-stimulated masturbation, which is uncharacteristically prudish of me.

Yes it depends on the context. My concern though is depiction of non-consensual sex. So I was elaborating on where AFK sex is going too far. Most of these AFK sex places admit openly to their form of depicting Rape.

These subjects I've brought up are not protected by US, or UK law. hence why I made a comparison to the content I have brought up normally being available on the "deep/Dark Web". I was going to set an example with an image, but it gets really disgusting... If you're not sure what normally is on the Deep Web, or Dark Web, which both have investigations via the FBI. Look up, and you'll see how SL needs to get this stuff sorted!

2 hours ago, Artorius Constantine said:

Then YOU should avoid those places that do these things. Problem solved!

Just a note for everyone reading, (Banned word for adult & animal relationships) is not really allowed in SL. Even the word is banned. Simulating the act with real animals is generally a no-no but with Fantasy beasts, like Dragons and Furries, is OK because there is no law against it anywhere so LL doesn't care. However real animals are another story. LL has even purged the MP a couple times and have closed down sims for it. There was a huge purge a year or two ago that ended up with long term players being perma-banned. They (LL) don't get everything, we know how "hit and miss" enforcement can be, but they do frown on it and will remove it. Werewolf, not a problem, real wolf, possible perma-ban.

I do avoid these places, not once did I state I have association with these places. However, they are not at all hard to find in search and the marketplace which is why I am speaking out on it! 

I'm not talking about furries either. I'm talking about the literal B word here. It's pretty common knowledge this is all over the grid in Second Life. Even when I first ever joined, a place I went too which had no warning of this, had this going on.

So please, have an opinion, but don't sugarcoat/turn a blind eye and twist these things into something they are not, if we don't say anything on it, it wont change and it will progress to get worse, just like it already has been e.g the AFK Sex - sleeping beauty fetish as its known in RL, and date rape simulation. Secondly please don't make assumptions, ask me what I have experience in these subjects with, or what I am specifically talking about before assuming. And finally, I feel LL is burying their heads in the sand is the bottom line. They're ontop of moderating Sanar, and don't even allow Adult Content. So what does that tell you? They know its getting out of hand in Second Life. Instead of investigating and reviewing their terms of service, they are ignoring. 

Edited November 22, 2019 by AnonymousConcern

[Lyssa Greymoon 2,781]

1 hour ago, AnonymousConcern said:

They're ontop of moderating Sanar, and don't even allow Adult Content. So what does that tell you? They know its getting out of hand in Second Life. Instead of investigating and reviewing their terms of service, they are ignoring. 

It tells me Second Life is probably bankrolling Sansar, and short of another Wonderland scale scandal Linden Lab is going to do very little about consenting adults getting their cartoon jollies in SL. I also expect the media reaction to anything short of that will be total indifference, or maybe "Second Life is still a thing? Huh, who knew?"

[Pussycat Catnap 4,948]

9 hours ago, AnonymousConcern said:

Enlighten me, AFK sex is considered sleeping, unconscious sex with someone. Some locations even have it in their descriptions.

Random first day noob who has likely never even logged into SL basically making up crap to troll us without even looking at it inworld to see what it is...

blocking.

[Chaser Zaks 1,242]

Firstly, I'd like to open stating I am a administrator on a different site. We deal with this kind of content all the time and honestly, I've seen a lot worse. With that in mind, we do have a lawyer who keeps us in the know on legal stuff like this. According to United States Federal Law, while the concerns you listed may be perceived as gross, they are legal in the context they are presented.

Please keep in mind, I am not a lawyer. Do not use my words for legal advise. I am merely repeating what I know. If you need legal advise, please contact an actual lawyer.

I'll address these as you put them.

Rape Role-play:

Virtual representations of beings do not receive legal protections of this. These are strictly for real life people who can actually be affected. While some may argue that "there are people behind the avatars", there are adequate protections in place that can be used at the resident's disposal, such as blocking or reporting abuse.

AFK/Sleeping Sex:

In the context it is provided by resident's in Second Life, this is completely consensual. While most users tend to be away from their avatars in this context, their avatars are perceived as wide awake. While this doesn't really matter if the avatar is awake or asleep, we will pretend consent is required here. This consent is given as the resident would have to be fully aware to search for said location, visit said location, sit down on a pose ball, and afk, all while seeing other avatars on what is going on around them during this situation.

Age-Playing:

This one is a bit tricky because it is technically legal, but isn't allowed as per Second Life's terms of service. ***** is strictly forbidden on Second Life as defined as "a child avatar engaging in sexual activities, be it a another avatar or by themself(using scripts/prims or otherwise)". One major issue here is people often use height to gauge age. Height tends to be a very weird situation in Second Life, as people often believe that if the height slider isn't set to the max, the avatar is under-age. Height should not be used as a deciding factor here and instead merely a compliment to other factors.
From a Legal standpoint, artificial depictions of children in sexual scenarios is not forbidden by United States Federal Law, unless of course, real children were used in the process of constructing the artificial depiction. It is important to note though, just because the law says it is legal, does not mean it is automatically acceptable in Second Life. Second Life's Terms of Service are an addition to Federal Law.

"things with animals":

Also a difficult area. Just like children, artificial depictions of animals in relations with humans are not forbidden by United States Federal Law, but into addition to this, transfer and sharing of real photographs and video of real activities are not forbidden by United States Federal Law. Some states may forbid the latter(real photographs and videos), but to my knowledge, no state has forbidden the former(artificial depictions). Second Life's Terms of Service make no statement on these type of activities, and as such artificial depictions are allowed. However I would highly advise against sharing real content through Second Life, as some states may forbid such content, and I am not fully aware of California local laws.

Date Rape:

As you said, you say the Marketplace forbids this. I am assuming you mean this line:

• Non-consensual sexual content, or any content or items that depict or suggest sexual activity that all parties involved did not consent to.

This can be interpreted multiple ways, and the way I interpret it is likely the way Linden Lab intended it: "Don't add content such as voyeurism photography of residents who did not consent to such photographs.". This is merely my interpretation, and may not be exact to what Linden Lab intended.

You specifically mention "date rape pills", in which, all parties are technically consenting by:

• Enabling RLV or similar mechanisms to automate their permissions.
• Purchasing and attaching huds which enable these capabilities.

 

While I do understand  your concern about the law, I can guarantee you, Linden Lab has lawyers, they have looked over all this stuff and the governance team has seen everything. If something was potentially illegal, they'd have the lawyers consulted and the terms of service changed if needed. If the law changes, then the terms of service will change as well to reflect said changes.

Additionally, what may be illegal in your country or state, does not mean it is illegal where Linden Lab hosts their servers. Linden Lab/Second Life is under no obligation to follow laws of other countries, except in specific circumstances such as where currency is involved. If such content is not legal where you reside, my advise is to either derender and block, or go to a different region for the time being until said content is no longer present. Alternatively you can consult the estate owner or land owner who may decide to enforce additional restrictions on the land they own.

I hope this helps and answers your questions!

[AnonymousConcern 37]

3 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Random first day noob who has likely never even logged into SL basically making up crap to troll us without even looking at it inworld to see what it is...

blocking.

How do I know about any of this going on if I never have logged into SL? How am I even allowed to comment here if I haven't logged in to accept TOS? For the fact you was complaining about being raped on a other forum from having your rvl on and not logging off the whole time, you're being hypocritical.

1 hour ago, Chaser Zaks said:

1 hour ago, Chaser Zaks said:

Non-consensual sexual content, or any content or items that depict or suggest sexual activity that all parties involved did not consent to.

 

Exactly. All the subjects I've listed are going against those guidelines creating objects, which enable depiction of non-consentual sex. I have reported these aswell, but nothing gets done. The date rape pills for example are even on the featured sections on the home page. Pure neglect of their own rules.

So yes, I stand by what I request for a review of the guidelines, and updating to get on top of these things.

I am speaking for many here, who are effected by these things in RL who find condoning it in SL offensive/upsetting. Along with the fact there's potential for npeople to carry out these acts in RL and there are records of it!! Someone who I can't name I think, is convicted and is back in SL via a new account! 

I among many want more regulation in these departments for a safer, more pleasant SL. Only reason I can see people don't care, is for the fact there is also sadly a lot of opportunity to get paid for these subjects in SL aswell.

Edited November 22, 2019 by AnonymousConcern

[AnonymousConcern 37]

Considering I have named this account "anonymouscocern" should be quiet clearly obvious that this isn't my first account aswell.

[cheesecurd 580]

38 minutes ago, AnonymousConcern said:

Considering I have named this account "anonymouscocern" should be quiet clearly obvious that this isn't my first account aswell.

Off topic but hiding behind alts or using throwaways is super lame.

Its defeats the purpose of the whole forum account system, even if I despise it.

[AnonymousConcern 37]

16 minutes ago, cheesecurd said:

Off topic but hiding behind alts or using throwaways is super lame.

Its defeats the purpose of the whole forum account system, even if I despise it.

Thats fine you feel that way, just remember I asked for this forum post to be kind to each other.

[cheesecurd 580]

15 minutes ago, AnonymousConcern said:

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The only things there 100% against the rules are the drugs. And only because they’re drugs.

Rape play and rape play accessories (cue hank hill in bondage gear) are weird, but not against any rules, it’s just a fetish.

Diapers and ABDL stuff is weird, but not against any rules, it’s just a fetish. 

Zoophilic avatar accessories and huds are weird, but not against any rules, it’s just a fetish. Further on this you could technically lump that all into the “furry” category, since “furry” content doesn’t mean bipedal. Canine genitals are canine genitals, wether they’re on a “feral” or “anthro” avatar makes no difference in what they are, and psicorp isn’t exactly under scrutiny for their catalog of animal bits and pieces.

The “horse sex” picture is kinda funny, but again it’s not really against any rules, it’s legally exempt from zoophilic pornography laws in the US as it’s a cartoon depiction. It’s again, weird but not against the rules, just a fetish.

The “kids lingerie” however is potentially against the rules but it would be debatable. As long as it’s not transparent there aren’t any issues with underwear for underaged avatars. Weird, yes, against the rules, probably not. 

You have to put aside personal morals with these kinds of things. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s overall unacceptable and should be removed. It comes down to what LL wants to act on and considers to be violating their TOS. 

[sirhc DeSantis 421]

On 11/22/2019 at 12:00 AM, AnonymousConcern said:

boarder

'Border' as boarder is a whole other thing. I realise spelling is no longer a hip thing.

[Coffee Pancake 5,237]

1 hour ago, cheesecurd said:

Off topic but hiding behind alts or using throwaways is super lame.

As a means to raise delicate or controversial subjects, use of a throwaway in no way detracts from the points raised, if nothing else it shields the OP from harassment on their main account (which absolutely can and does happen here).

Don't take this (or my previous responses) to mean I agree with the points raised. SecondLife is unique in that it offers a very broad brush.