Can I sell another creator's full perm item with my full perm mesh body if I buy the full perm items for each customer as a gift on the MP (after each sale)?

[Ippo]

I want to sell a full perm male mesh body that I created from scratch in blender. I want the body to come with a skin texture applied to it.

 

Can I sell the full perm skin texture if I manually buy it for each customer after each sale? I can state the terms of the skin creator's product in my listing too.

 

If this is a grey area, I can create a bot that automatically buys the full perm product after each sale (offline bot using marketplace API and headless chrome). Is that necessary? I'd rather not do that.

 

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Mollymews]

best to talk to a skin designer

it may be that you can come to a business arrangement where the skin designer creates a set of skins that come with your body.  The business arrangement may be a SL arrangement where they give the resources to you full permissions retaining themselves as the named SL creator. Or an RL arrangement where you buy the skin resources RL which you then upload yourself and distribute with your body

if your body becomes popular then the skin designer will most likely also make other skins for your body, included in the set of bodies that they design for. Which is a good thing for your body users also

[Ippo]

I don't want any sort of business relationship with the skin creator. Their skin is decent and cheap but it's a good example skin. My body uses the SLUV map so any classic SL skin would work. But this is besides the point. What I really want to know if it goes against SL TOS to conduct business this way?

Edited November 4, 2019 by Ippo

[Tari Landar]

I don't believe it would be a direct violation of any of LL's created TOS-I might be wrong on that, I suggest reading the actual TOS. However....it very well could break the TOS, EULA, etc... of that skin creator. It's also a pretty shady way of doing business as there is literally no guarantee to that creator that you will A-credit them (which may be a requirement of their own TOS, but also, is the proper thing to do if you didn't make it yourself, since it is an entire component versus just one piece of something, for example a full perm pillow on a couch you made, using textures you made for both) and B-actually go through with paying them for every use of their skin. The skin creator has NO WAY of knowing if you're telling the truth. If you're new to creating, it's likely the trust in you will be minimum at first. (that's really how all business is, though)

You could do as suggested and simply buy a license to use that skin n your build for X amount of $L or even $USD and be done with it. That would be the beginning and end of any relationship you had with the skin creator. Lots of skin creators do this btw, it's a pretty common practice. The only way to know,is to contact skin creators. Some might simply say "sure, go ahead, you bought it, yours to do what you like) Although you might want to adjust your wording when approaching a merchant and avoid saying things like "it's cheap and decent", lol. It might rub someone the wrong way 

If you don't want to go that route, you could go the shady route and just use the skin without asking the merchant if it can be used that way (full perm doesn't always mean free reign), but I can almost guarantee you that will get you flack from the community and won't bode well for you, especially long term. I don't think it's worth the risk, not if you want to make mesh bodies-which is a highly sought after market, even though there are a bunch of them. 

Or, you could make your own skins and not have to worry about any of that. 

[Ippo]

Thanks for your input! I could sell exclusively on the marketplace and give the creator 1% marketplace distribution for every purchase and also buy the skin for the customer after each sale so there's a record.

[Mollymews]

to avoid self-induced complications at the outset, you could initially sell/distribute your body without a skin. Renders plain white.  Then in the marketplace description say: Skin not included, buy this skin from this creator. And/or list other skins that work well on your body

those skin creators are going to be happy with you pushing business their way. And some more formal arrangement may eventuate that suits you both

[Ippo]

Not when the skin is 10L!

2 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

to avoid self-induced complications at the outset, you could initially sell/distribute your body without a skin. Renders plain white.  Then in the marketplace description say: Skin not included, buy this skin from this creator. And/or list other skins that work well on your body

those skin creators are going to be happy with you pushing business their way. And some more formal arrangement may eventuate that suits you both

Not when the skin is 10L!

[Mollymews]

Just now, Ippo said:

Not when the skin is 10L!

it doesn't matter what the cost is.  A person selling for 10L is happy to get the money

why don't you just talk to that person. They might even sell you their rights to the skin, for a price that you can afford. Then you won't have to make this any more complicated than it needs to be

[Tari Landar]

You have now, repeatedly, made comments that are going to come across as if you're putting the skin creator down-even if you may not mean it that way. This is already not going to bode well for you, and you haven't even started selling the body yet. I'm not trying to insult you, please don't think that, but I think you need to go at this from a completely different direction. You're over complicating this and may end up burning bridges before you even get to them. Creators deserve to be paid for their work, end of. It doesn't matter if it's $1L or $1,000,000L. It doesn't matter if it's poor quality, excellent quality, or anywhere in between.  If it's not good enough for you to pay them for it, and I get that likes and dislikes vary-then find another way. You're making it seem like it's a lesser product, and that may not be the case. Many skin creators have even released free full perm skins (with EULAs and TOS, mostly, to prevent this very scenario) in the past-they were amazing quality too.

If that skin creator does not have terms that tell you that you cannot use their skin (please ask them, do NOT assume), then you are free to do whatever you wish. If that skin creator does have rules...follow them. It is just as likely that they don't have rules, as it is that they do.   Even a revenue distribution on the MP is no guarantee to the skin creator, though, which is what I was getting at before. They have no knowledge of your sales, and no reason to expect that you'll actually give them the percentage-there's no way for you to verify it until it happens. You could sell 500 of the body and not offer any commission and then sell five more and offer commission on all of those five, but the skin creator wouldn't know about the first 500 (make sense?)

I still think making your own skin would be much easier, and there are plenty of tutorials out there that can help you with it. I would offer to make one for you, but I'm not convinced you'd like the quality.

[LuxuriousSin]

You could buy the omega dev kit for mesh bodies and comission someone to create a custom skin/skins for your body that you could include for free.

[Bitsy Buccaneer]

You have no idea what people would do with the FP skin you've "gifted" them. I don't know what the legal implications might be, but morally you'd be responsible if any of them stole the work and did something dishonest with it. Why would you want to go there, especially for a sample skin? There are other ways like Omega or a link to the skin.

[Alyona Su]

14 hours ago, Ippo said:

I want to sell a full perm male mesh body that I created from scratch in blender. I want the body to come with a skin texture applied to it.

 

Can I sell the full perm skin texture if I manually buy it for each customer after each sale? I can state the terms of the skin creator's product in my listing too.

 

If this is a grey area, I can create a bot that automatically buys the full perm product after each sale (offline bot using marketplace API and headless chrome). Is that necessary? I'd rather not do that.

 

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

 

I haven't seen this mentioned in any of the previous comments or I missed it. If the skin you are referencing is full-permissions, then check what the license says. Usually the only stipulation is that it must be copy or transfer, but not both. If there is no license described in the pre-sales information then go ahead and buy it and look to see if there is a license included with it on purchase. If there is no license then it is fully okay (and ethical) to include the skin with your product, but you should set it to no-transfer or no-copy as that would be the ethical thing to do.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Alyona Su

[Claireschen Hesten]

Is there any way the body could be made to work with Bakes on Mesh you could get any full perm skin you want and as long as the creators EULA allows pre-apply that as the base skin of the body if you want it to have a skin then the new body owner can use BoM to apply their own system skin. You may be selling the body to a person that wont know how to apply the skin texture you buy them to the body

[Ippo]

My male and female bodies are all BOM compatible definitely (bento head and hands ftw). All I want is to include some basic textures on the body so it doesn't look so dull as a white base mesh.

[Ippo]

Looks like my best bet is to ask some creators if I can apply their textures to my full perm model without actually giving away any textures. Thanks for all your input!

Edited November 4, 2019 by Ippo

[Stephanie Misfit]

Perhaps use the Eloh Eliot male skin template. It is licensed under the MIT license so would be suitable for the scenario you describe.

http://eloheliot.blogspot.com/2008/01/lf0y-psds.html