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4 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

I'd have to say that such a reaction to a reaction is a bit "extreme" and far more harmful in the long run. A "WTF" is ... closer to being neutral.

Not sure why deserved scorn isn’t ok, or is it? Statements that belittle others deserve scorn. Racist comments deserve scorn. Attempts to stir up trouble / drama deserve scorn. I could give many examples. Are people just too sensitive these days to handle well-deserved scorn? 

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17 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I consider myself an independent, probably because if I got into a conversation with a conservative or a liberal, it wouldn't be long before I was opposing them. It's what I do. Any inordinately complex issue will ultimately boil down to simple and inadequate arguments because most us of haven't the tools or the tolerance to handle complexity. We also want to protect our beliefs, even though (or because!) we may have obtained them through sheer ignorance. It's what we do.

I like to dig deeper. I'd rather find those beliefs I've based on ignorance before anyone else does, or before I harm myself or others in defense of them.

Regarding the red text above and discussions like this, I've relayed Walt Kelly's observation in the past...
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I've always read the first line as "It is hard talkin' on this stuff." to generalize the observation past its Earth Day roots.

Pogo's a wise old 'Possum.

Much to think on there, Madelaine    :)

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3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

If I've been arguing with someone and we never resolved the issues, and they begin repeatedly laughing at my posts even though they are totally serious posts with no jokes contained within, I can only deduce they suddenly imagine I've developed some sort of Robin Williams sense of humor they are now immensely appreciating, or that they are attempting to affect me in some sort of negative way.  No way to ascertain for certain what they're doing, but it's an attempt to affect me somehow, and not in a positive way -- it feels like a kind of minor griefing or perhaps goading. Of course the meaning might just be that they recently smoked way too much green stuff.

Or that they refuse to take you seriously, and want you to know?

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17 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

Regarding the red text above and discussions like this, I've relayed Walt Kelly's observation in the past...
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I've always read the first line as "It is hard talkin' on this stuff." to generalize the observation past its Earth Day roots.

I’ve posted this often, too.

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3 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:
7 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

If I've been arguing with someone and we never resolved the issues, and they begin repeatedly laughing at my posts even though they are totally serious posts with no jokes contained within, I can only deduce they suddenly imagine I've developed some sort of Robin Williams sense of humor they are now immensely appreciating, or that they are attempting to affect me in some sort of negative way.  No way to ascertain for certain what they're doing, but it's an attempt to affect me somehow, and not in a positive way -- it feels like a kind of minor griefing or perhaps goading. Of course the meaning might just be that they recently smoked way too much green stuff.

Or that they refuse to take you seriously, and want you to know?

Well that could be, but what if the posts in that instance are dead serious?  It's a bit insulting for someone to judge another as not serious or as basically 'invalid' in their thoughts when the person making the post is earnest.

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1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

Well that could be, but what if the posts in that instance are dead serious?  It's a bit insulting for someone to judge another as not serious or 'invalid' when the person making the post is earnest.

I got yelled at for laughing at a lot of Phil’s posts. So...the interpretation of the reaction is in the eyes of the reader, without essplainection.

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1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:
3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Well that could be, but what if the posts in that instance are dead serious?  It's a bit insulting for someone to judge another as not serious or 'invalid' when the person making the post is earnest.

I got yelled at for laughing at a lot of Phil’s posts. So...the interpretation of the reaction is in the eyes of the reader, without essplainection.

Not sure exactly your meaning here, but I do know that there are other levels on a forum that go behind the topics being discussed -- like the relationships between posters.  Sometimes I'm aware of them, other times not. Sometimes it becomes glaringly obvious when certain people don't like each other.  So I can't really judge from the outside what the emoticons mean between 2 people for certain, though if more pronounced I'd strongly suspect just what the meanings of the emoticons mean between those 2 people.

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25 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I would say a wtf reaction is not too many dimensions away from scorn. 

Then you're definition of a wtf reaction is far different from mine. Because when something confuses me that is my first thought. It connotates bewilderment not scorn. Bewilderment is a far cry from scorn.

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Just now, Selene Gregoire said:

Then you're definition of a wtf reaction is far different from mine. Because when something confuses me that is my first thought. It connotates bewilderment not scorn. Bewilderment is a far cry from scorn.

Ah, your threshold of wtf is lower than mine. I reserve wtf for wtAf moments usually.

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1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Ah, your threshold of wtf is lower than mine. I reserve wtf for wtAf moments usually.

I'd say my threshold is higher than yours since I don't reserve wtf for just one particular type of situation. It's one of those versatile phrases.

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Just now, Selene Gregoire said:

I'd say my threshold is higher than yours since I don't reserve wtf for just one particular type of situation. It's one of those versatile phrases.

Good to know you’re..versatile.

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8 minutes ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

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Tell me your first thought is NOT WTF ...

My first thought was, is that a pig face? A muzzle? A mask? Why would anyone do that to a dog?

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25 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Well that could be, but what if the posts in that instance are dead serious?  It's a bit insulting for someone to judge another as not serious or as basically 'invalid' in their thoughts when the person making the post is earnest.

Luna, this is a prime example of why I laugh. To me, this is hypocrisy when I was invalidated by you when I was making earnest, dead serious posts and you told me to shut up. You didn't like what I was saying, and that's fine. You disagreed with me 100%, and that's fine, too. You didn't want to read anymore of what I was saying, and that's also fine. You were angry that I had a response to every point raised... also fine. 

Telling me to shut up, in your opinion, was fine. It was not fine to me. It was insulting, judgmental, and invalidating to me. You may have felt the same way about my responses, just as you do by my laughing. Doesn't feel good, does it? Is it scornful, or goading you, or whatever? No, it's laughter because you absolutely fail to see that the behavior you hate so much in me is the same dismissive behavior you displayed, and are completely unwilling to own because you would have to admit that you behaved just as badly as I did, if not more so, by telling me to shut up, furthered by you following me around the forums and (scorn) commenting on many of my posts. 

I will agree to never, ever respond to another of your posts, to never, ever put another reaction emoji on another of your posts ever, if you agree to do the same. No contact again ever. To me, you simply cease to exist, so long as I cease to exist to you as well. This petty, stupid sniping and bickered ends now. 

Agreed? 

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30 minutes ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

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Tell me your first thought is NOT WTF ...

My first thought is that my old boss has significantly improved her personal style.

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25 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

Luna, this is a prime example of why I laugh. To me, this is hypocrisy when I was invalidated by you when I was making earnest, dead serious posts and you told me to shut up. You didn't like what I was saying, and that's fine. You disagreed with me 100%, and that's fine, too. You didn't want to read anymore of what I was saying, and that's also fine. You were angry that I had a response to every point raised... also fine. 

Telling me to shut up, in your opinion, was fine. It was not fine to me. It was insulting, judgmental, and invalidating to me. You may have felt the same way about my responses, just as you do by my laughing. Doesn't feel good, does it? Is it scornful, or goading you, or whatever? No, it's laughter because you absolutely fail to see that the behavior you hate so much in me is the same dismissive behavior you displayed, and are completely unwilling to own because you would have to admit that you behaved just as badly as I did, if not more so, by telling me to shut up, furthered by you following me around the forums and (scorn) commenting on many of my posts. 

I will agree to never, ever respond to another of your posts, to never, ever put another reaction emoji on another of your posts ever, if you agree to do the same. No contact again ever. To me, you simply cease to exist, so long as I cease to exist to you as well. This petty, stupid sniping and bickered ends now. 

Agreed? 

Thank you. 

You aren't the first and I doubt you will be the last.

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52 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

I will agree to never, ever respond to another of your posts

Beth this thread has moved far beyond the little tiff between you and me, although my announcement of reporting you in an attempt to make the scorn laughs cease did provoke one of the topics. We are now discussing emoticons and their usage in a more abstract way -- what they mean to various people. As well as another discussion, if I can more adquately parse what Madelaine was saying in her response to my awareness of how some progressives are not actually progressive and my dismay over this change in cognition. Who knows, I may even come to appreciate Solar's disgust over 'political correctness' in the end, at least in the way it's displayed by what appears to be a very intense & vocal segment of those who call themselves progressives these days.
I welcome your contribution to these topics, or any other topic that manifests as the thread moves along. But I consider our little war game and any other drama to be finished.

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Were there a WTF button, I'd only click it on a post in which the poster was clearly offering up an example to invite it and shared the opinion, as Rhonda did earlier with that adorable video of Clover. Many of you have been targets of my "What the hell is wrong with you?" style comments, and I love it when you shoot back at me, all in good fun. I sometimes take risks by setting fire to a newbie, but I also watch for signs of a misfire so I can rectify the misunderstanding.

There is a huge difference between laughing at someone and laughing with them. I choose the latter.
There's a huge difference between sarcasm and satire. I choose the latter.
Ideas are fair game. People? Rarely so. I am wary of people who, in their profiles, list sarcasm as an interest.

As a longtime member of the forums, I want this to remain a friendly, inviting place. I try to do my part to make it so.

 

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