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3 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

ow that there are, of course, many women in SL for whom sexuality is very important, probably to the extent of being the prime reason they are here. But you certainly don't see as many (or indeed, any?) female noobs wandering around naked, and asking passers-by for the "sekksies."

My experience is dated by now, but from what I recall...while it was more likely to be men doing it, there was still a fair number of female avs walking around naked and offering themselves to all and sundry. The key difference was that they weren't noobs and they weren't ugly. I think it may be partly due to there probably being more men than women taking this approach, but also something to do with the fact that female avs who do it might care more about their own appearance.

I remember exploring a blackmail roleplay place once and finding a naked, gagged woman in a cupboard. I took her gag off and asked her what had happened. She said, "I did this to myself and I'm waiting to be discovered. I don't mean to be rude, but I'm straight, so could you please lock me back up?"

I re-gagged her, locked her back up and sent a male friend her way.

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Having sex is at the bottom............of my list. Which is long. 

I get there occasionally, but the ducks have to be in a perfect row.

Everything else that I do here is way more fun.

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7 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Myself,I didn't really know what Second life was when I first got here..My friends talked me into trying it out..Then after getting irritated and kind of freaked out by orientation Island,it took them three days to talk me into coming back..

Orientation Island reminded me of the movie ,The Island.. it just freaked me out.. hehehehe

LL really needs to do something about the Linden new user entry points being Jerk Central. Firestorm, New User Services, Caledon, and London City areas don't seem to have this problem as badly.

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I think for some it is, for some it isn't, everyone else is a combo of both, and that's all there really is to it, lol. 

Me, personally, it has played its role in my slifetime, and even my rl lifetime. When hubby and I didn't have rl together, it played a much larger role in both sl and rl, as it created an amazing bridge between the two (along with many other things that no one wants to read and I'm not about to tell you all anyway :P)

I do think there is a draw, and I think one's opinion of how big/effective a draw it truly is, will be very, very, very, ok, completely, biased towards (or away, if applicable) whatever his or her own personal experiences have been. Whether or not our own opinions are truly accurate....eh, we're human, and faulty as the day is long, we're all probably wrong :D 

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I think it's a major factor, but it's important to recognize that SL is a very flawed product, lacking in tools and development in key areas that would allow us to create more engaging content. The result is that , for many people, there just isn't much they're interested in doing in SL beyond hanging out with friends, and adult content.

LL seems to be making some long overdue improvements lately, if that keeps up I think you'll find that while adult content remains a big draw, there will be more non-adult content and activities that become powerful draws to SL as well.

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I'm one of the ones where adult activities were not part of the draw at all.  I've managed to do a pretty good job of staying away from areas where sexual activities are the main focus of the area, or even areas where I'm likely to be asked.   That's one of the neat thing about SL having so many regions - I know that there is a whole world of adult activity out there in SL, but staying away from it hasn't made me feel limited in the number of places that I can still go to explore and enjoy.

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15 minutes ago, moirakathleen said:

I'm one of the ones where adult activities were not part of the draw at all.  I've managed to do a pretty good job of staying away from areas where sexual activities are the main focus of the area, or even areas where I'm likely to be asked.   That's one of the neat thing about SL having so many regions - I know that there is a whole world of adult activity out there in SL, but staying away from it hasn't made me feel limited in the number of places that I can still go to explore and enjoy.

And this is why a robust, clear, and enforced ratings system is important. It empowers people to make informed decisions.

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9 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

And this is why a robust, clear, and enforced ratings system is important. It empowers people to make informed decisions.

I've found reading region and/or parcel descriptions has usually been the deciding factor as to why I decide to go or not go to some area (along with things I've gleaned about certain areas from reading in the forums). There are photogenic scenic regions I've missed seeing because their description focuses too much about containing erotic areas, but there's always been lots of other scenic regions to explore.

I tend to think that there are probably "A" rated regions that might not necessarily need to be rated adult, or at least not all of the parcels on it have adult content or activities that is in public view.  There are a few stores that I shop at which are on "A" rated land, but from what's visible at the landing point and the store areas, it wouldn't appear to me that they need to be.  However, there's likely other stuff going on in other parts of the region that justify the need for that land rating.

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Just now, moirakathleen said:

I tend to think that there are probably "A" rated regions that might not necessarily need to be rated adult, or at least not all of the parcels on it have adult content or activities that is in public view.  There are a few stores that I shop at which are on "A" rated land, but from what's visible at the landing point and the store areas, it wouldn't appear to me that they need to be.  However, there's likely other stuff going on in other parts of the region that justify the need for that land rating.

I also think that the A rating is to "cover one's butt" (pun intended) should anything that is otherwise M in rating ramp up a notch. M rating by and large seems wildly misunderstood among many (especially in RP circles), whereas A seems to carry a more broadly accepted "anything goes" approach (within the confines of the ToS of course). There are many people all too happy to lodge an AR over the slightest infraction so the way I see it applying an A rating might just be a safer alternative than having to impose regulations (more stringently than you would with an A rating I mean). I'm guilty of this.

When I had my RP sims/regions I applied an A rating though looking back I can't see why M wasn't enough. It was a fail safe as much as it was a deliberate draw card because frankly, sex sells. When you want more dots on a map and want your traffic to increase add a few key words to your land description and change maturity rating from M to A and you'll see an increase. I did, and it worked for a time. The issue was more sustaining interest then as there are so many other alternatives out there for those interested in chasing adult pursuits. 

As to the original question: Do I think the major draw to SL is the adult stuff? Yes, in part. But it probably goes without saying that depends on the person looking at joining SL in the first place. I wasn't looking for virtual sex when I first joined, but when I discovered it was there I absolutely engaged in it. These days not so much; the novelty has long since worn off. But I do suspect there are those who log in primarily for it; as others have already said there doesn't seem to be a shortage in the amount of avatars standing around naked looking for quick thrills of either and any gender or (account) age. 

I believe, rightly or wrongly, that SL helps fill a void in many peoples lives, while others literally see it as a game or way to pass the time. I've met many people in-world or groups who speak of having impediments regarding leaving the house, or socializing in the real world, or meeting others due to geographic isolation, etc. It's not a huge stretch of the imagination that those lacking for want of a better word would turn to SL to fill a need. Some people just want friends, some want to date, some want to troll, some want a feeling of empowerment and importance they don't otherwise get in the real world; why wouldn't people be drawn to virtual world to connect? I think I would find it more odd if people didn't. Sex is everywhere; its used in advertising, music videos, on our TV screens sometimes so subtly we probably don't even notice. If memory serves there was some kind of "bad press" about SL years ago too being a hub of debauchery which likely attracted a certain type of player, but I don't know how much relevance that would have now. 

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45 minutes ago, RaeLeeH said:

I also think that the A rating is to "cover one's butt" (pun intended) should anything that is otherwise M in rating ramp up a notch. M rating by and large seems wildly misunderstood among many (especially in RP circles), whereas A seems to carry a more broadly accepted "anything goes" approach (within the confines of the ToS of course). There are many people all too happy to lodge an AR over the slightest infraction so the way I see it applying an A rating might just be a safer alternative than having to impose regulations (more stringently than you would with an A rating I mean). I'm guilty of this.

When I had my RP sims/regions I applied an A rating though looking back I can't see why M wasn't enough. It was a fail safe as much as it was a deliberate draw card because frankly, sex sells. When you want more dots on a map and want your traffic to increase add a few key words to your land description and change maturity rating from M to A and you'll see an increase. I did, and it worked for a time. The issue was more sustaining interest then as there are so many other alternatives out there for those interested in chasing adult pursuits.

 

1 hour ago, moirakathleen said:

I tend to think that there are probably "A" rated regions that might not necessarily need to be rated adult, or at least not all of the parcels on it have adult content or activities that is in public view.  There are a few stores that I shop at which are on "A" rated land, but from what's visible at the landing point and the store areas, it wouldn't appear to me that they need to be.  However, there's likely other stuff going on in other parts of the region that justify the need for that land rating.

Yeah, as I said somewhere above (and have noted before), I think that the Adult rating often doesn't mean what it used to mean. When the new rating system came into effect, it was pretty unmistakable when one arrived in an "A" region: you were almost literally tripping over sex pose balls (sometimes with people on them) from the moment you TPed in. Now, it's very different. I almost never pay attention to the rating of sims I'm going to, and end up at a fair number of adult ones as a result. Despite that, it's really pretty rare that I happen across anything very overtly sexual. (Of course, were I actively looking for sexual content, I'm sure I could find it easily enough.)

One sim I frequently go to for photography is "A" rated, but wandering around you'd never know it -- unless you were aware that there was a high-end sex club in skybox high above the rest of the sim.

1 hour ago, moirakathleen said:

There are photogenic scenic regions I've missed seeing because their description focuses too much about containing erotic areas, but there's always been lots of other scenic regions to explore.

I think it's a shame if people are unnecessarily missing beautiful sims because they are being, perhaps, misled by the region rating.

Honestly, though, I'm much more concerned about the opposite phenomenon: the slow but discernible "leakage" of adult content into "M" regions. It's one thing to be deprived of stuff you might want to see because it's been unnecessarily rated as "A," but being confronted with material you didn't want to see in a region that has labelled itself as safe is not merely unfortunate: it can be offensive or even, in the case of violent content, potentially traumatizing.

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2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

And this is why a robust, clear, and enforced ratings system is important. It empowers people to make informed decisions.

^ Exactly this.

27 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I think it's a shame if people are unnecessarily missing beautiful sims because they are being, perhaps, misled by the region rating.

Honestly, though, I'm much more concerned about the opposite phenomenon: the slow but discernible "leakage" of adult content into "M" regions. It's one thing to be deprived of stuff you might want to see because it's been unnecessarily rated as "A," but being confronted with material you didn't want to see in a region that has labelled itself as safe is not merely unfortunate: it can be offensive or even, in the case of violent content, potentially traumatizing.

It seems as deliberately vague LL has been regarding aspects to the maturity ratings system, that's also left a great grey area open to misinterpretation, paranoia, and abuse. I've argued with people over what is allowed or not allowed, but even quoting direct from the ToS and SL wiki pages there still seems to be a tendency to perceive some things differently to how others see them. The flip side of that are those that know the rules and skirt them anyway. A good many people seem to log online purely to stir the proverbial pot, taking enjoyment from the fact they've managed to upset as many people as they can for no other reason than because they can. Or to push the rules as far as they can just to see how much they can get away with. While it's not restricted to SL or even online practices as a whole, it may account for some.

The other I think may lay in our general desensitization as a society as a whole. We're bombarded with information now more so than any other time in our collective history, and like sex, terror sells too. The media sensationalizes to the point of over-saturation. What we're not comfortable with we turn a blind-eye to or become "numb" from. The unfortunate side effect of that is those who do anything in order to feel again; channel aggression, violence, spew hate or force their beliefs and opinions on others just to win, regardless the cost, because it's better than feeling like a weak, voiceless, invisible individual in real life. Add to the fact that there has been a push of sensitivity in RL over recent years that goes beyond all commonsense; where people are scared of opening their mouths for fear of offending others. They're going to seek that freedom here. And in some instances (certainly not all), those people are going to vent their frustrations here too because they can't do it safely in the real world anymore. If that means offending others in more subtle means I don't doubt some would try. 

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* Or women. Or whatever other gender one identifies themselves as these days.

I've wandered off the beaten path a little, but I'm not sure that even if LL did reword the maturity rating to make things absolutely black and white that much would change - for the reasons described above. There's a fine line LL has to tread in allowing users what it would consider reasonable freedom, and coming down too hard (and maintaining rule) like a dictatorship. SL is, for the most part, built by users. It stands to reason that not all users are logical, rational, or considerate people. Which is where we're running into problems. 😟

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I don't know if any more folks are looking for sex, but it has always been a reason.  I seem to see more posts here in the forums from folks wanting to use SL as a dating app.  That was not common years ago.

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This is a bit of a leading question but I'd have to say that adult stuff is not what draws people here. In my personal experience, I didn't even know there was adult things when I joined. Also, avatars were hideous back in the day so it was easy to not be tempted. I used to hang in the welcome areas and talked to many new people just arriving after they signed up. These people were generally not gamers and were not very aware of what could be done in SL. I'd say they were mostly looking to chat with people and figure out how to make money. Being entrepreneurial is kind of an adult thing... hmmm.

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“Looking for Sex” and “Having Sex” are kinda two different topics.

One way or another, humans spend a large portion of their lifespan mentally sexualizing the world, so all LL can do to police this in terms of *where* Residents can legally do the sexxorz.

I would not be offended if someone politely expressed an interest in me while on a non-adult sim (I’d probably disappoint tho), but if their idea of Trolling for Sex was to use an oversized attachment as a lure in public......then they WILL be disappointed.

We can’t regulate what people think; only what they actually *do*

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It is, if you ask me. I mostly use SL to chat, but the possibility of engaging in adult activities is a big part of why I prefer this over other alternatives.

It's odd, I don't actually *do* it that much, but I like the freedom. That's the actual draw for me. Well, one of them anyway.

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If you regard SL as a platform rather than a game, then this notion is so not SL-specific. Just like the print-industry, the movie industry, and the interwebs industry. What draws people towards them?

Qie's graph indicates an interesting development. I wonder how this is related to the world's web content. In 2012, this was estimated to be 30% of all internet traffic: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/123929-just-how-big-are-porn-sites/2

The numbers are not really comparable, but if the amount of sims designated as adult, 20%, has a decent correlation with the adult appeal of SL, then SL still has some catching up to do.

Come on people! We can do this!

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17 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Then why in god's name are you hanging out with me??? It's been so long, I can barely remember where my girlie avatar bits are.

 

They're underneath that black bar with 'OBSCENE STUFF' written on it. 😛 And at other places, of course. 

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I didn't come to SL for the sex either.  I didn't stay for the sex and as of today I am still not here for the sex.  I  joined SL when I saw it on a friends computer.  I liked the exploring, the flying (avatar flying mind you, not the vehicle type though I like that as well now), the building, scripting and the interactiveness of it all.  I fell for the idea you could play at being anything you wanted to be I suppose.  These are still the main things that keep me here though somewhere along the line shopping majorly crept in too.  Shoes, especially the shoes and I don't care that I don't care how many triangles they have :P

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For non creators I suppose this may be true.

Double entendre' and innuendo are always awesome fun,

rarely does it translate though. ^^

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I think it's safe to say that adult content users are a non-negligible slice of the population.

That being said it doesn't mean people who are into adult stuff, DO adult stuff all the time. I'd wager that your average SL user has a variety of occupations, and being naughty is just one of them.

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16 hours ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

I think it's safe to say that adult content users are a non-negligible slice of the population.

That being said it doesn't mean people who are into adult stuff, DO adult stuff all the time. I'd wager that your average SL user has a variety of occupations, and being naughty is just one of them.

I think, too, that it would be useful to distinguish, when thinking about those who do engage in sex, between people who are interested primarily is quick hook-ups, and those who are looking for a "relationship" that features sex as an important component. The former are probably (unsurprisingly) frequenting places that primarily cater to sex, or that have a reputation as pick-up places (or are wandering naked around the grid telling random women that they are "hawt"); the latter are more likely hanging out in social places that are less obviously focused upon sex.

I know people who belong to both of these groups, and their MO can be distinctly different. But the lines can also be blurry: I know pick-ups that have blossomed into actual relationships, and relationships, so-called, that were mainly about make available a stable and reliable source for sex play.

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I was drawn here because of a roleplay sim i saw on the internet and stayed in the roleplay area till i started to explore and found the adult areas but yeah i think many are drawn to that. 

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When I was a noob back in 2006, I had SL sex. It was painful. 

What is SL sex? On one hand, it is writing erotica. I am not a writer. I hated any classes in high school 30 odd years back that involved any writing. In college, I avoided all such courses, but the ones that were a must take totally *****ed up my grades. Then, post grad was no writing, and professional life has been a bliss.

So, there is no way I am going to write erotica. Not even if I am paid to do so. There are better ways to make money, like eating a hobo's dick cheese in RL. Plus, for me, sex is not a mental thing; it is physical. There is no physicality in SL so I just can't get aroused. So why call it sex when there is no arousal?

Then there is the animation. I just don't see the point of that. There is FAR better quality porn available for free on the internet. It doesn't require me to fumble with some complex technical nonsense.

Plus, I don't know about you, but in my experience women on SL really have some serious attitude. Most of these are very ordinary looking women in RL who get no attention from men. They buy a fancy avi and suddenly they fancy themselves to be a goddess. Why put up with such attitude?

Hence, I stopped having SL sex and started having SL friendships. That's why I log on every other day or so, to chat with my friends.

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ThIs is a subject asking about something we have no numbers on. All we can do is project our personal preferences and reasons. Debating opinion is pointless.

We have seen some of the variety of reasons for coming into SL, preferences, changes... If there is a majority in any category, it looks to be 'found sex here'. What they did with the find then divides into a variety of choices.

On 8/27/2019 at 2:59 PM, animats said:

LL really needs to do something about the Linden new user entry points being Jerk Central. Firestorm, New User Services, Caledon, and London City areas don't seem to have this problem as badly.

Yeah... but what? The difference between SL HUBs and Firestorm Welcome, New User Services, Caledon, and London City is people are experienced enough to find their way there. The Lab dumps newcomers into the islands and then the various HUBs. These people are like chum in the water. The jerk griefers flock to the HUBs. How does one avoid that?

On 8/27/2019 at 5:47 PM, Scylla Rhiadra said:

And this is why a robust, clear, and enforced ratings system is important. It empowers people to make informed decisions.

Rating system? Not sure what you mean. Are you talking something like Communist China's citizen rating system that is being instituted? We can imagine where that is going. Ask the peeps in Hong Kong where they think it is going.

With any rating system we run into the problem of who does the rating? As long as I get to do the rating I am fine with it. Otherwise, no deal.

With automated systems we run into the problem of the programmers biasing the system (Google-Facebook pro Democrat) or groups gaming the automated system. In SL vigilante groups consistently try to game the SL Abuse Reports.

People are only empowered when they have accurate information. Propaganda, mis-information, and omitted information all distort the freedom of choice and serve to disenfranchise people.

Rating systems are often worse aggravation of the problems.

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