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I think if everyone took their kids down to the sand dunes near my house they would be expert in the used condom talk with their kids.  In fact with 3 boys, its a pretty useful safe sex conversation to have which I for one don't trust to teachers.  The conversation usually ends with a joke about this not being the best place for it because imagine where the sand ends up.  Also a good lesson in be careful what you are picking up on a beach walk

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4 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

 

No - I made a quick simple search and provided an answer based on a question that you asked.  It truly was as simple as that.

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A "quick simple HALF search," yes, but in what world is a used condom not considered gross as compared to a clean one? I see many instances where a new, clean one isn't necessarily adult at all, and they have been used as water balloons etc. The question here was never about condoms in general, so I don't know why a search for condoms in general was ever considered adequate. It feels that at the very least you only HALF read what was being talked about and jumped in with an opinion, if indeed you truly are basing it off the question alone. Do you often comment on things you're not fully informed on?

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Posted (edited)

This is what the original poster is upset about.  This.  That little weird blip line thing that I've circled.  Again, it doesn't go to inventory, it's not attached to the fishing pole inworld. 

And above with Love's comment- I actually deleted and stopped myself from posting a super snarky response about all the alternative uses for condoms there are out there.  Loads of imagined uses out there.  But one that stuck out that could legit be useful while fishing- put your cell phone inside one & tie it off. I used to put my digital camera in a ziploc bag back in the day to keep sand off it (and water) when fishing.

I don't even know why I'm compelled to comment in this thread so much other than I'm irked over something so innocuous being ARd.

If the OP chooses in the confines of her RP character (her profile is constructed with "baby talk") to avoid the game then that's on her.  More power to her I have visited several adoption sims thru the hud.  Those folks aren't offended.

It's not offensive.  

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22 minutes ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

This is what the original poster is upset about.  This. 

Still out of the scope of a general maturity rating - if this is allowed, what will be next? Throwable sex toys?

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2 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

Still out of the scope of a general maturity rating - if this is allowed, what will be next? Throwable sex toys?

Then I would say, that the persons hosting the game objects be the ones who are addressed.  The rating of their sims. IF its deemed adult in nature (the image of a condom).  

I stand my point, that condoms are available in pharmacies, and walmarts.  No requirement to be over 18 to walk past those. 

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1 hour ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

This is what the original poster is upset about.  This.  That little weird blip line thing that I've circled.  Again, it doesn't go to inventory, it's not attached to the fishing pole inworld. 

And above with Love's comment- I actually deleted and stopped myself from posting a super snarky response about all the alternative uses for condoms there are out there.  Loads of imagined uses out there.  But one that stuck out that could legit be useful while fishing- put your cell phone inside one & tie it off. I used to put my digital camera in a ziploc bag back in the day to keep sand off it (and water) when fishing.

I don't even know why I'm compelled to comment in this thread so much other than I'm irked over something so innocuous being ARd.

If the OP chooses in the confines of her RP character (her profile is constructed with "baby talk") to avoid the game then that's on her.  More power to her I have visited several adoption sims thru the hud.  Those folks aren't offended.

It's not offensive.  

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Ah, that event... Does this one cost 1500L to play like some of the others? 

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Just now, Pixie Kobichenko said:

just to play? no- 249L

Hmm, i may give it a go then.. I could use a few used condoms.. 

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On 7/17/2019 at 1:35 AM, KanryDrago said:

Condoms are adult content? Can I point out just to be contrary that kids here at least get shown condoms at school at I think about age 11 and get shown how to use them on banana's. While I understand the thrust of the concern I am not honestly sure I am concerned that some 16 year olds might see a condom

Agreed. And honestly, most 16 year old "kids" have probably had sex already. 

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4 hours ago, anniepany said:

Agreed. And honestly, most 16 year old "kids" have probably had sex already. 

You're missing the whole point of this topic, it's not about condoms but USED ones. Even I admit that condoms themselves are not adult content, but kids are not shown used condoms in school, you'd be arrested for that.

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I think this is harmless I think you should be more concerned about virtual kids f****** then condoms

second life has 6 problems that kid Community right now 

kids actually f******

kids being falsely accused of f****** there's no way to prove your innocence

reporting somebody for doing sexual inappropriate activities with a child Avatar you will get ban to for photo evidence showing child pornography to Linden labs so you can't safely report it

Linden Labs terms of service is so vague that act of being a kid to some people it's a violation of the terms of service

role playing as a kid to some people is a violation of the terms of service

having an avatar the size of a kid is enough to be considered a kid to some people

this is why I quit role playing as a kid now i do Linden gold hunt fishing all the time

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On 7/18/2019 at 2:35 PM, Pixie Kobichenko said:

This is what the original poster is upset about.  This.  That little weird blip line thing that I've circled.  Again, it doesn't go to inventory, it's not attached to the fishing pole inworld. 

And above with Love's comment- I actually deleted and stopped myself from posting a super snarky response about all the alternative uses for condoms there are out there.  Loads of imagined uses out there.  But one that stuck out that could legit be useful while fishing- put your cell phone inside one & tie it off. I used to put my digital camera in a ziploc bag back in the day to keep sand off it (and water) when fishing.

I don't even know why I'm compelled to comment in this thread so much other than I'm irked over something so innocuous being ARd.

If the OP chooses in the confines of her RP character (her profile is constructed with "baby talk") to avoid the game then that's on her.  More power to her I have visited several adoption sims thru the hud.  Those folks aren't offended.

It's not offensive.  

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Seriously this is what the op is upset about, an emote line from a hud? OP seriously wants the whole thing altered for this? I don't know where even to begin......

 

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57 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

Seriously this is what the op is upset about, an emote line from a hud?

There's a little red circle above the arm of the Adirondack chair.

I mean....

I guess there's supposed to be a condom in there somewhere. (?)

But on the other hand, that photo was NOT supplied by anybody complaining about the item.

But on the third hand, NO PHOTO has been supplied by anybody complaining about the item.

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I can't help but wonder if one of the booby prizes is an old trolling motor. In my part of RL, you are more likely to score one of those on a fishing expedition. Used condoms are usually found in roadside culverts, along with beef jerky wrappers, chewing tobacco tins, and empty beer cans. I've been finding all of those things along the edge of my RL homestead since I was a little kid.

The game creators are clearly not archeologists.

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5 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:

There's a little red circle above the arm of the Adirondack chair.

I mean....

I guess there's supposed to be a condom in there somewhere. (?)

But on the other hand, that photo was NOT supplied by anybody complaining about the item.

But on the third hand, NO PHOTO has been supplied by anybody complaining about the item.

Ok so a pic will make you less whiny? Here you go!

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Oh, for pity's sake. 

OK, I'll be the one to downplay this situation.  The "kids" we're proposing to protect here are all adults in RL.  I think it actually provides an interesting opportunity for some (non sexual!) roleplay.

Kid:  "Mom, what's this?  A balloon?"

Mother: "Uh...not exactly sweetheart.  Give it to Mommy, and I'll give you a cookie instead."

Kid:  "OK...but what IS it?"

Mother:  "Er...Dear, you explain it to her."

Father:  "Why me?"

(Y'all can take this as far as you want.  I think I made my point.)

 100% agree!  This is such a perfectly rational way to look at things.  I applaud your views!

Cheers!

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  1. No physical inventory items are being given out that correlate to the text displayed
  2. A child avatar (not the same as an actual child) that runs across this is in no danger unless the text output is placed into General Chat on a channel that everyone can read
    1. Consequently any sixteen year old user would have to report themselves
  3. What a particular item is listed as on the Marketplace is irrelevant as the Marketplace uses different criteria than the "in world" rating system.
  4. What we - the users - believe such items are classified as is irrelevant - send in an Abuse Report, sit down and let the Lab decide if it is in violation or not - if the item remains in the system and nothing at all seems to happen to the creator(s) of said item then guess what, Linden Lab doesn't agree with you
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57 minutes ago, Laurie Zulaman said:

 

 100% agree!  This is such a perfectly rational way to look at things.  I applaud your views!

Cheers!

It is *one* way to look at it, of course, with the humour properly intact, and I agree and support wholeheartedly.......  But, unfortunately, insinuating child avatars (underage-looking avatars, whatever their age-description, no matter how close they are to being of-age, and no matter how old the adult is behind the avatar) with sexual situations in any context is what Linden Lab tries to avoid.  The visuals.  The optics.  The reputation!  The slippery slope is so slippery it defies even the very notion of slippery-ness, so the a zero-tolerance policy is would be well placed here I think. 

Edit:  made it more clearly an opinion rather than a fact.  My opinion, not fact.

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A condom is not a sexual situation. A used condom is possible evidence that a sexual situation has occurred sometime previously. But, for that matter, so is a child.

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3 hours ago, Gaius Tripsa said:

A condom is not a sexual situation. A used condom is possible evidence that a sexual situation has occurred sometime previously. But, for that matter, so is a child.

But SL censors don't object to children playing with children.

 Children avatars handling used condoms is optically bad and encourages that slippery slope.  That said... If child avatars were banned from adult regions there'd be a stronger case but now I'm not sure that they are.  So, really, the slippery slope continues I guess.

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20 hours ago, Clarrellae said:

But SL censors don't object to children playing with children.

 Children avatars handling used condoms is optically bad and encourages that slippery slope.  That said... If child avatars were banned from adult regions there'd be a stronger case but now I'm not sure that they are.  So, really, the slippery slope continues I guess.

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Policies towards child avatars are largely focused on the actions of the avatars, not the avatars themselves.

Child avatars are allowed within Second Life.1 A child avatar, even within a mature or adult region (but not participating in adult (in this case, sexual) ) activities is allowed. A child avatar is allowed do everything any other avatar is, with the following exceptions:

  • Child avatars in sexual situations (sexual congress obviously, though it is unclear beyond this) are not allowed and abuse reportable (ARable).
  • Public promotion (classified listing, profile, etc.) of sexual situations with child avatars is not allowed and ARable.
  • Creating areas for the purpose of sexual ***** is not allowed and is ARable. This includes having items with sexual content (sexual poseballs or equipment) in proximity to items traditionally associated with children (swingsets, etc.)
  • Indicating that the *real age* of a child avatar (as opposed to a stated SL/role playing age) is below main grid age is not allowed and ARable.
  • Child avatar nudity has been called into question as well. While no language specific to nudity was included in the initial policies, child avatar nudity of the genital or chest regions, including in otherwise non-sexual situations (skin vendors, for example) can be a violation. This also applies to parcel descriptions: nudity or "clothing optional" language can not be included in a parcel description on a kid-specific area.

Note that child avatars are allowed on PG, Mature, and even Adult public parcels, provided with the latter that they are adult verified. Note that this does not necessarily apply to private parcels where one has the option to eject or ban as desired. The allowance of child avatars on adult rated land such as Zindra does not invalidate any of the above rules.

As with all things, context is key, and err on the side of caution."

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1 hour ago, MsKayess said:

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Policies towards child avatars are largely focused on the actions of the avatars, not the avatars themselves.

Child avatars are allowed within Second Life.1 A child avatar, even within a mature or adult region (but not participating in adult (in this case, sexual) ) activities is allowed. A child avatar is allowed do everything any other avatar is, with the following exceptions:

  • Child avatars in sexual situations (sexual congress obviously, though it is unclear beyond this) are not allowed and abuse reportable (ARable).
  • Public promotion (classified listing, profile, etc.) of sexual situations with child avatars is not allowed and ARable.
  • Creating areas for the purpose of sexual ***** is not allowed and is ARable. This includes having items with sexual content (sexual poseballs or equipment) in proximity to items traditionally associated with children (swingsets, etc.)
  • Indicating that the *real age* of a child avatar (as opposed to a stated SL/role playing age) is below main grid age is not allowed and ARable.
  • Child avatar nudity has been called into question as well. While no language specific to nudity was included in the initial policies, child avatar nudity of the genital or chest regions, including in otherwise non-sexual situations (skin vendors, for example) can be a violation. This also applies to parcel descriptions: nudity or "clothing optional" language can not be included in a parcel description on a kid-specific area.

Note that child avatars are allowed on PG, Mature, and even Adult public parcels, provided with the latter that they are adult verified. Note that this does not necessarily apply to private parcels where one has the option to eject or ban as desired. The allowance of child avatars on adult rated land such as Zindra does not invalidate any of the above rules.

As with all things, context is key, and err on the side of caution."

And there it is! Thanks for that.  "Err on the side of caution" really leaves it up to the Residents, until someone ARs it.  Child avatars are allowed on adult regions and so in that light it is fair to suggest they might end up in shouting distance from sexual detritus, like it or not.  I don't like it personally but, oh well, who cares.  The world keeps turning.

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1 hour ago, Clarrellae said:

And there it is! Thanks for that.  "Err on the side of caution" really leaves it up to the Residents, until someone ARs it.  Child avatars are allowed on adult regions and so in that light it is fair to suggest they might end up in shouting distance from sexual detritus, like it or not.  I don't like it personally but, oh well, who cares.  The world keeps turning.

There are other activities classified as adult besides sexual activities - horror, violence and illegal drug abuse for example. There are even adult rated regions in SL that strictly forbid sexual activities. I would have no problem with a child avatar in a Cthulhu sim ...

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