Is it true residents can get away with "disclosure" policy on sharing Ims?

[Selene Gregoire]

37 minutes ago, Female Winslet said:

The wiki is a great resource for many things including what people think the TOS says, but it is not actually the TOS itself. 

LL will tell you that the CS is a part of the ToS and is therefore not just a guideline.

[Female Winslet]

8 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:LL will tell you that the CS is a part of the ToS and is therefore not just a guideline.

More importantly, the TOS says that the community standards are a part of the TOS.  It states the following:

7. RELATED POLICIES

The following related policies are incorporated by reference in and made part of this Second Life Policy, and provide additional terms, conditions and guidelines regarding Second Life. 

[some items in the list omitted]

4. Community Standards

[some more items followed this and I didn’t list them out]

That would be the reason that I cited the Community Standards as being the place where TOS contains that provision. Wiki entries notably are not a part of TOS, which is why it may sometimes tell you about things that are in TOS but it isn’t a part of TOS itself. 

Where you are incorrect is in suggesting that these documents that are made part of TOS are “not just a guideline.” The above-quoted language specifically says that some items are just guidelines and if you looked at the full listing of “related policies,” you would even discover that the title of some is “guidelines.” For example “content guidelines” is the item on the list right after community standards. To the extent that Linden Labs says nothing in the TOS is “just a guideline” they would be contradicting the actual language of the TOS and therefore incorrect. 

[Selene Gregoire]

I'm only telling you what LL has said in the past. So you are correcting the wrong person.

And I never mentioned the wiki.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Selene Gregoire

[Erwin Solo]

Its against the ToS, but try to file an abuse report and you'll quickly learn that the abuse report (AR) gives you no good way to document what happened.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Erwin Solo
changed "and" to "an"

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

3 hours ago, Erwin Solo said:

the abuse report (AR) gives you no good way to document what happened.

There's no room in the edit window. However, if you have a decently big screen, you can include a screenshot that contains all the relevant texts in notecard and IM windows. It's a bit of a stretch, but by screenshot you can include a wealth of supporting material.

[Erwin Solo]

4 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

There's no room in the edit window. However, if you have a decently big screen, you can include a screenshot that contains all the relevant texts in notecard and IM windows. It's a bit of a stretch, but by screenshot you can include a wealth of supporting material.

Aye, but like you say, its a stretch.  The abuse report (AR) format doesn't directly support the filing of abuse reports about textual matters such as improper copying of IMs, or harassing/defamatory material in group notices.  

[Erwin Solo]

On 7/16/2019 at 11:47 AM, Wulfie Reanimator said:

The simplest explanation is probably just "LL is covering their bases."

If there was no rule against it and someone was causing serious harm by sharing a private conversation, it might complicate things for them and would make them legally liable if they were to suspend/ban an account for reasons not stated in the TOS.

They're not just "don't be a donkey" rules. LL uses the TOS to protect you and themselves.

Exactly.  It stands to reason that a least part of the purpose of the policy is to protect themselves, especially since the abuse report (AR) format doesn't directly support the filing of abuse reports about violations of the policy for textual matters such as improper copying of IMs, or harassing/defamatory material in group notices.  

[Blush Bravin]

 

7 hours ago, Erwin Solo said:

Its against the ToS, but try to file an abuse report and you'll quickly learn that the abuse report (AR) gives you no good way to document what happened.

As a moderator of a group I have to regularly make ARs on accounts that have been hacked and are being used to post phishing links in group chat. As such, I always have my chat windows open to the pertinent information so that the screenshot included in the AR shows the violation clearly. It's not that hard to do.

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

If you give sufficient information in the AR (name of offender and date, at the very least), LL can find the documentation themselves. It's all logged. 

[Crim Mip]

Considering this only applies to logs passed in world, it's a pretty weak protection. Copy and paste to an e-mail, Discord channel, etc and there's not a thing LL can or will do about it. I'm not even sure they enforce this even if it happens in world at this point. It's just such a trivial issue.