kiramanell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Seba Serpente said: if that was the case it would show on the 2nd picture, but there is no colission being registered there at all, from any object, terrain, etc Why, theoretically, you could be inside the physics of a huge object (like a megaprim for the hills), set to convex hull, and then, because of being inside of it, you wouldn't even see the physics of it show up. This is very unlikely, of course, as a mistake of that magnitude would have affected the entire region. And then we'd have heard from other ppl, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiramanell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Perrain Berenohn said: Quartz Mole is here! May be a restart coming. Glad to hear Quartz is on location. He will figure it out, for sure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, kiramanell said: Why, theoretically, you could be inside the physics of a huge object (like a megaprim for the hills), set to convex hull, and then, because of being inside of it, you wouldn't even see the physics of it show up. This is very unlikely, of course, as a mistake of that magnitude would have affected the entire region. And then we'd have heard from other ppl, of course. exactly. i would have noticed right away if that is the case... but yes, it only happens with this specific house. I also checked for a known bug with linked objects rotation messing up the physics, thats not the case neither. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Perrain Berenohn said: Quartz Mole is here! May be a restart coming. Thats good, i did mentioned the region physics memory bugged out. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrain Berenohn Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 Ok. Restart removed the problem. Yay! Thanks for rushing to my rescue... all of you! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Perrain Berenohn said: Ok. Restart removed the problem. Yay! Thanks for rushing to my rescue... all of you! Region restart or a full reset of the House Mailbox Controller? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiramanell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seba Serpente said: exactly. i would have noticed right away if that is the case... but yes, it only happens with this specific house. I also checked for a known bug with linked objects rotation messing up the physics, thats not the case neither. There's another small mesh bug that sometimes hits me, like on a home with convex hull walls, for instance, where the entire object is inaccessiible upon rez (not a matter of a hole in a convex hull veing solid, of course). That usually solves itself simply by selecting the object. Don't ask me why, but it seems selecting it then forces the server to get (reget?) its physics properties. That is also not the case here, btw, I'm sure, as there was plenty of selecting going on in those images. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiramanell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Perrain Berenohn said: Ok. Restart removed the problem. Yay! Thanks for rushing to my rescue... all of you! Wow, region physics spazzing out, I've never seen that happen on my own sim. But I guess Bellisseria is really pushing the envelope far more than I ever could. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrain Berenohn Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 In case you guys were wondering: Quartz Mole said, " ... it's a phenomenon I've come across before.. can be caused by several things but essentially the simulator's records are confused and it thinks there's an obstacle where there isn't one." "...it's a long-standing issue that's fortunately very rare now, or at least I haven't seen in several years, but a restart fixes it. It's what we used to call "ghosting" but that now seems to cover a lot more." (I asked for permission to quote him.) 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, kiramanell said: There's another small mesh bug that sometimes hits me, like on a home with convex hull walls, for instance, where the entire object is inaccessiible upon rez (not a matter of a hole in a convex hull veing solid, of course). That usually solves itself simply by selecting the object. Don't ask me why, but it seems selecting it then forces the server to get (reget?) its physics properties. That is also not the case here, btw, I'm sure, as there was plenty of selecting going on in those images. Thats the bug i am refering to. if you have a linked object that rotates, when it rotates it makes the mesh convex until you select it, then it reverts to the correct colission shape. here is the Jira for that that you mention: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-225742 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrain Berenohn Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 Also, important note: "I would rather people didn't get the idea that sending up a Mole Signal in the forums is a good way to get help -- I will help when I'm around but normally it's best to ask support to restart the region if something like this happens." - Quartz Mole 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, Perrain Berenohn said: Quartz Mole is here! May be a restart coming. My hero! 😍🥰😍 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiramanell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Seba Serpente said: Thats the bug i am refering to. if you have a linked object that rotates, when it rotates it makes the mesh convex until you select it, then it reverts to the correct colission shape. here is the Jira for that that you mention: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-225742 Wow, that Jira describes the exact condition of my situation. Learn something every day! Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, kiramanell said: Wow, that Jira describes the exact condition of my situation. Learn something every day! Thx. For now what you can do is analize the colission to fix that.. but be aware that analizing brings up a bunch of other issues... will have to do a lot of trial and error to get decent colissions after analize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moles Quartz Mole Posted July 3, 2019 Moles Share Posted July 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: Region restart or a full reset of the House Mailbox Controller? Region restart. Since re-rezzing the house (which I did) wasn't fixing it, the most likely explanation was that somehow the simulator thought there was something there blocking the door that wasn't in fact there. That's something I've certainly come across before, though not for very long time now (like 8 or 9 years maybe). We used to call it "ghosting" but now that seems to cover a lot of different odd simulator behaviour. Whatever it is, a region restart usually fixes it. As a general point, while I'm happy to help out with issues when I can (so long it's something that's actually malfunctioning, that is, and not simply "please may I have a hedge round the garden, like some other houses do?" or "please remove my hedge. I don't like it"), it's generally better to ask support for help rather than send up the Mole Signal in these forums and hope one of us sees it. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Quartz Mole said: Mole Signal And somewhere in Second Life... A content creator is now making this 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Evangeline Ling said: And somewhere in Second Life... A content creator is now making this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Evangeline Ling said: And somewhere in Second Life... A content creator is now making this you bet! Sending out a mole signal! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Evangeline Ling said: And somewhere in Second Life... A content creator is now making this throws all my lindens at whoever that content creator may be That would actually be really easy to make with a projector, wouldn't it? Even I can do that! will be making my own Mole Signal tonight... look for it to be projected on the ******* of Light, as you so eloquently renamed the Fourze lighthouse! (I bleeped that myself...) Edited July 3, 2019 by Beth Macbain I inarticulately used elegant instead of eloquent. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Hit me up if you want a mole signal projector inworld 😁 I don't give any guarantee that will actually summon moles. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, Seba Serpente said: Hit me up if you want a mole signal projector inworld 😁 I don't give any guarantee that will actually summon moles. Shine it onto a black prim hovering in the night sky - they might see it easier from far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, LittleMe Jewell said: Shine it onto a black prim hovering in the night sky - they might see it easier from far away. That will be very effective to summon a linden to get it returned! Edited July 3, 2019 by Seba Serpente 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seba Serpente said: That will be very effective to summon a linden to get it returned! Just keep it at 15m high - then you are allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Serpente Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) Pretty sure that still goes against the covenant as could either be not in theme or be a vissual disturbance. I don't feel the need to go onto that extreme neither. Edited July 3, 2019 by Seba Serpente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seba Serpente said: Pretty sure that still goes against the covenant as could either be not in theme or be a vissual disturbance. I don't feel the need to go onto that extreme neither. A Mole is very much in theme. You should fly around the continent a bit and see what apparently is in theme for being in the air. The covenant does specifically say that objects can be up to 15m high. /me thinks you are taking things way too seriously 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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