Just a thought churches or meeting place for people with disabilities.cancer,ms etc

[roseelvira]

Just a thought  perhaps churches, and a beautiful place for the support groups for those s w disabilities , ms ,  cancer and caregivers , chronic illnesses , etc,,,  Are there any plans for this with the new  lands. 

[roseelvira]

[roseelvira]

just a basis for ideal for structures 

[PrudenceAnton]

An interesting concept, though there are so many denominations of churches with varying concepts of worship, one size doesn't fit all, and the ones in Second Life usually are run by said church members who pay for their own land.

As for a community center for any type of group to gather and hold meetings at, that is a good idea. Its different than events like you'd hold at a fair ground.  Perhaps Patch and the moles could consider a couple of these places set up on the Bellisseria continent.  Residents could use an event calendar to schedule meetings and gatherings for support groups or information of shared interests.  Perhaps they already have this idea scheduled in their book of future project developments, since they are adding in new community areas, like the fair grounds.  😉

[Bitsy Buccaneer]

I know Bellisseria is very American in theme and America has a very Christian idea of itself, but a "community" church will exclude a fair number of people.

A meeting place like Prudence suggested is a fairer idea IMO. If there's a way to have rez rights (maybe through a group leaders join), someone could rez a cross and whatever else you need to have a service. That makes more sense to me than elevating the preferences of some above the rest.

[RaeLeeH]

I think the Lindens and Moles have to be careful about just how much community space is given; look at the landing strips for air craft and rez areas for vehicles and boats. I keep going back to it but it's a relevant point IMHO. Yes, they were put in for residents' benefit, but for those who don't drive or fly or sail they're irrelevant. The same can be said for other constructions we would ask of them. No doubt there are a large number of people who may find such places to be beneficial, but equally just as many who won't.

Bellisseria was designed to be a place for people to live, first and foremost. Yes having the extras places are great, but not I think part of the overall plan. And there are already a lot of places dotted around the new continent for people to meet, relax or socialize regardless their abilities. Failing that, people can meet on a rotational basis in their collective houses, something that happens in many social circles in the real world anyway.

The danger is making Bellisseria so complete that people don't ever leave it. Or rather, it detracts away from the possibility still available on mainland or private regions.

As much as we all share our love for the new continent, and love all the hard work that the Lindens and Moles are still churning out, the spaces outside the houses that they provide for us don't really provide for them. Meaning that praise is great, but there still has to be a profit made somewhere along the line in order to keep the Lindens and Moles in their RL jobs. While residents paying for Premium membership offers one means, the sale and acquiring of mainland is another. There's nothing stopping Residents from renting a parcel on the mainland and having people meet in Bellisseria then teleport over to the parcel. Sure, it's not as immersive as if it could be but it's still a viable option.

 

[Beth Macbain]

I think it's probably best that religion be left out of anything officially built into Bellisseria. It would be too divisive. 

People are starting groups for everything on Bellisseria, though. What about support groups or groups for <insert religion here>? As RaeLee suggested, the groups could meet at other people's houses or any of the other public areas already set up as long as it doesn't grow so big as to affect residents living in the area. 

[Mollymews]

i remember seeing a Mole-made community hall on old mainland the other week.  Kinda-ish in the style of some of the memorial/community halls that were erected in rural areas after WW1 - sans the memorial part. Is why I noticed it when I was going past, so I stopped for a look.   Can't remember now exactly where but was near a major railway junction.  I will try to find it again if i can and post a piccy if I do

edit add:

found it!  old school build by Bloomin Mole

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Pavonia/191/233/120

Edited June 30, 2019 by Mollymews
found it

[Fox Wijaya]

4 hours ago, roseelvira said:

Just a thought  perhaps churches, and a beautiful place for the support groups for those s w disabilities , ms ,  cancer and caregivers , chronic illnesses , etc,,,  Are there any plans for this with the new  lands. 

the idea is for sure not bad, but aren't  "we"  setting Belliserria to far apart form the rest of SL? .. concentrating eveyrhitng within the walls doesn't feed the real gridwide community. The risk is there Belliseria makes itself a ghetto for the premiums.

[Chronometria]

3 hours ago, Fox Wijaya said:

the idea is for sure not bad, but aren't  "we"  setting Belliserria to far apart form the rest of SL? .. concentrating eveyrhitng within the walls doesn't feed the real gridwide community. The risk is there Belliseria makes itself a ghetto for the premiums.

Bellisseria super popular cos mainland flat out terrible. It like a wasteland out there. They gotta look at reasons why these homes has moved from starter homes into lifeboats for old, lonely accounts.

[Innula Zenovka]

Speaking as someone who suffered from cancer of the throat some years ago (and I found SL a huge lifeline during treatment, in that it enabled me to keep in touch with some dear friends and enjoy some sort of social life while I was either at home or in hospital feeling pretty bad and in a lot of pain) I think I would rather see such facilities provided by LL through an existing organisation, like Virtual Ability, or under the guidance of one of the existing cancer support organisations.    I found Macmillan Cancer Support and its online self-help groups an invaluable resource, and I would imagine there must be a US equivalent who would be glad to advise on this kind of project.

I wouldn't be comfortable, though, to see this sort of service provide other than under the auspices of  recognised cancer or disability charities and national groups.    Cancer support on its own is a really specialised area, and everyone's experience and life situation is different, and the same must be true of other serious medical conditions and disabilities.  

 

[Fox Wijaya]

35 minutes ago, Chronometria said:

Bellisseria super popular cos mainland flat out terrible. It like a wasteland out there. They gotta look at reasons why these homes has moved from starter homes into lifeboats for old, lonely accounts.

you clearly have no idea what there is out on the mainland, and the statement in the last line is totally absurd.

[roseelvira]

the pictures  i posted in this thread are a real place ,,,, it is the Astra Zennica hope lodge in chelteham  philly.t is a place when  you are getting treatment or surgery so you and care giver family member have a place to stay  and not worry about hotel  costs,,,,  it is full of support ,,, yes this is where we go ,,, in fact up there  this week  next round of infusions,,,,  it is beautiful and the grounds ,,,,, you forget about the  cancer when you are there and even after infusions   the  peace and love ,,,, makes the treatments tolerable     with there being a number of people in second life dealing with  cancer ,,,, and having a spot   and also can be used to accommodate  meeting for ms ,,, chronic disease ,,, heart /and mental health support groups ,,,, just a thought .    sorry about spelling  funny there is  a place in  in the new homes  fox chase ,,,, well fox chase cancer center in philly pa   saved my husbands life ,,,, so  it touched my heart  and the hope lodge is part of fox chase temple cancer center

https://www.cancer.org/treatment/support-programs-and-services/patient-lodging/hope-lodge/philadelphia/about-our-facility.html

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

I feel very strongly about separation of church and state in RL, and the same goes for SL. I would not support LL building any official churches, no matter what flavor of religion they represent, and I'd be honestly shocked if they ever considered doing so. As noted above, people are free to hold meetings in their own homes, or somewhere outside of Bellisseria. 

A community center is not a bad idea, though, assuming it fits in with the building plans. Bay City has one, and you can pick up info about the community there, hold meetings, etc. As for churches, occasionally people will build something on their own parcels, LL has never built any official religious structures there.

[Cindy Evanier]

I hold support meetings in my houseboat every sunday morning for the "Jason Momoa is Cindys, deal with it"  group.  Its a very select and intimate gathering and ...

well that's enough for now

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

Just now, Cindy Evanier said:

I hold support meetings in my houseboat every sunday morning for the "Jason Momoa is Cindys, deal with it"  group.  Its a very select and intimate gathering and ...

well that's enough for now

I might reconsider and support the First Church of Jason Momoa, Not at All Reformed, were someone to start one.

(....says the person who started a church to worship Mt. G'al, the volcano on Mainland.)

[Cindy Evanier]

Just now, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

I might reconsider and support the First Church of Jason Momoa, Not at All Reformed, were someone to start one.

(....says the person who started a church to worship Mt. G'al, the volcano on Mainland.)

The OP wanted an MS support group.  As someone who deals with it in RL, I can't think of anything worse than being faced with it in SL too.  This is where I can escape and not have to deal with it all. 

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

1 minute ago, Cindy Evanier said:

The OP wanted an MS support group.  As someone who deals with it in RL, I can't think of anything worse than being faced with it in SL too.  This is where I can escape and not have to deal with it all. 

I think there are many that agree with your point of view. A lot of us don't want RL problems following us into SL. 

[Fox Wijaya]

34 minutes ago, Cindy Evanier said:

the "Jason Momoa is Cindys, deal with it"  group.

[Fox Wijaya]

good thing we can't see why he is so happy... ..has to do with the long "brb" break yesterday i think.

[LyricalBookworm]

i think creating churches in Bellisseria would do more harm for the community because not everyone follows the same spiritual path, or follows one at all. I love the diversity we have and wouldn't want anything to threaten that type of community. 

A community center sounds better. If people can find comfort in different types of support groups, that is wonderful and I'm glad it helps them. Personally, I come to sl to forget about being chronically ill and simply feel like me for awhile. Here I don't have to be ruled by pain all the time and I choose to focus on that. Just my thoughts.

[Pixie Kobichenko]

Things I avoid discussing to avoid losing friends: politics & religion.  Having anything built by LL in favor of any one particular ideology would open up massive cans of worms.  It won't happen.  Support groups I think could do well by starting a group and having a discord as well for outside chat and updates.  I do support the idea of communal areas that groups have access to.  But the reservation process for that probably would be a lot of headaches as well.  I don't really see LL paying a person to oversee that.  *Shrugs*

Edited June 30, 2019 by Pixie Kobichenko
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[Chronometria]

2 hours ago, Fox Wijaya said:

you clearly have no idea what there is out on the mainland, and the statement in the last line is totally absurd.

Well, I thanks you for clearing that up then.

[roseelvira]

i understand every ones comments. just suggesting it  as an option for those who may want that. knowing  in rl  the toll on every level   illnesses have ,,,,   i can agree that sl is a way to forget ,,, and then there are  the days ,,, when  the scan  results are given to your dr and you get that phone call and him telling you  its back need   to see you asap .    thoses  times before you tell the  family  you wish  you had  some  one in sl  that you could reach  out to.   Also for newly diagnosed    getting into sl   some could mentor with the same  health situations to help them learn sl ,,,,, just a small whisper of an ideal  for future ,,,,, and in no way meaning to trigger any negative emotions or reminders  so i apologize if that happened,,,,  please forgive if in any way there was any tiny level of insensitive  words etc ,,, 

[LittleMe Jewell]

2 hours ago, Cindy Evanier said:

I hold support meetings in my houseboat every sunday morning for the "Jason Momoa is Cindys, deal with it"  group.  Its a very select and intimate gathering and ...

Now that Game of Thrones is over.... he might make a great Perrin in the upcoming Wheel of Time series that Amazon is going to do.  Perrin is a central character; you'd get to see him a lot.

Edited June 30, 2019 by LittleMe Jewell