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Hi, this is my main character's AV "X". X's partner was allegedly raped. She's claims to have worn a flower given to her by a stranger because "she was pretty" when she returned to our home. The "flower" apparently force TP'd her to a sex location. When she got there she was made to participate in sex acts. Before sex acts she was told to wear a gag/mask thing which she could remove, the "flower" thing she couldn't. She claims she couldn't walk or TP away. Which of these forced the AV into sex positions is unclear. The whole "rape" took place over a period of 1 1/2 hours. My main question is do these things exist? An additional "rape" took place several weeks later by the same person. She claims she was being blackmailed. (Apparently the flower had been locked by the "rapist")

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your partner is using a third-party viewer with RLV functionality enabled by them - your partner.  RLV is not included in the official LL viewer

the flower is a scripted RLV relay object which when worn allows the wearer of the flower to grant the other person permission to control their viewer - which allows that person to force teleport, force sit on objects, and play animations on your partner

should your partner not wish for this to happen again then they need to disable RLV in their viewer, relog, then detach the flower and delete it

about the blackmail, that's a social construct between your partner and the person your partner gave permission to, and has nothing to do with anything technically

 

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   The way RLV works by itself, no. At some point your partner has turned the RLV functionality on in their viewer, but that alone doesn't mean that you can be 'trapped' willy nilly, not without them wearing an RLV relay (the flower) which either must be open to everyone by default, or that they put its status to public.

   Furthermore, clothing can't just be removed without her first having prepared a setup for this with an RLV relay, and RLV can be turned off at any time by anyone, and the viewer can always be closed - being 'raped' for 90 minutes against one's will is practically impossible.

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19 hours ago, Tracie2000 said:

Hi, this is my main character's AV "X". X's partner was allegedly raped. She's claims to have worn a flower given to her by a stranger because "she was pretty" when she returned to our home. The "flower" apparently force TP'd her to a sex location. When she got there she was made to participate in sex acts. Before sex acts she was told to wear a gag/mask thing which she could remove, the "flower" thing she couldn't. She claims she couldn't walk or TP away. Which of these forced the AV into sex positions is unclear. The whole "rape" took place over a period of 1 1/2 hours. My main question is do these things exist? An additional "rape" took place several weeks later by the same person. She claims she was being blackmailed. (Apparently the flower had been locked by the "rapist")

Yes, forcing avatars to teleport exists. As for the rest;

Blackmailed? Did your partner inform you after the first attack, or did this information come to light after the second attack? This sounds a little fishy to me, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but could it be one of those situations where one cries rape as a defence when caught out seeing another? Sorry to be insensitive but it's a question worth asking if only to fact-check. If your partner was/is feeling intimidated or threatened by another and they have clear evidence of it then this person needs to be reported to LL immediately. 

Told to wear a gag/mask: Key word; told not forced. She could have simply logged out by this point and ended the scenario before it started, much less been subject to a second "attack". The fact he had to tell her to attach objects means he didn't have complete control and that's critical to any rape scenario in SL; on some level consent still has to be given which means, generally speaking, rape in most forms in SL really just equates to rough sex with the illusion of force. This is important because the fact she gave into another's demands or threats of alleged blackmail, she transferred belief of power to him and submitted. That in part is consent. She didn't report it (prior to "rape" #2). Didn't say no (that we know of, though to not say it by legal definition constitutes as consensual). Didn't log off, and endured it a second time.

I don't want to get into the slippery slope of comparing virtual rape to real life rape, or even compare the scars or damage or legitimize either, but it really does irk me that people so easily scream rape (especially in Second Life) and trivialize it, when there are the means to protect and safeguard ones self that you cannot do in the real world (turn off RLV, detach objects that can control you, putting physical distance between yourself and your computer, etc). I'm in no way saying that virtual rape doesn't happen; violation is violation regardless of the platform. It could be that she didn't know what was happening the first time, but she surely can't claim ignorance the second time. As much as she can cite shame or fear regarding this blackmail for keeping her compliant, at some point she had to take back control enough to even tell the OP that she had been raped. So she could have used that same initiative or sense of self-preservation to simply shut off the computer "to get away from him" (assuming the rapist was a he and apologies for the assumption). The old fight-or-flight response would have been instinctual if things made her that uncomfortable.

Over the years I've had friends tell me of their close encounters or horrific experiences at someone attempting to force them into sex in SL when they were noobs/new accounts and how shaken it left them feeling, even years later. I've experienced a close call once myself. Back in the day I used forced HUDS to play as a rape "victim" and was admittedly blasé about it all, so I have some understanding to how that side of it works, as well as how violated actual intimidation online and emotional blackmail (especially regarding sexual conversation or preferences) in SL can feel. I just find the time period of 1.5 hours hard to believe (and most scenes I've experienced don't last that long without some form of role play or exchange back and forth - and since this is posted in the Role Play subforum I'm wondering if this occurred in a RP or IC/In Character context as opposed to OOC/Out Of Character or non-RP?), but since I didn't experience what she went through I can't say she's lying. It's just... suspicious. It could be that she didn't know how to enable/disable RLV (and yes I agree with others, sounds like a Third Party viewer like Firestorm where RLV I think generally comes enabled? Correct me if I'm wrong), but I can't understand why she endured it for that long, much less a second time, without simply shutting down Second Life at the very least. I know, hindsight is a wonderful thing! 

Forced the AV into sex positions: Certain (especially older) scripted objects will still ask for the "victim's" permission in a blue-dialog box before the sex acts can actually start. Granted there are some objects that will manipulate the victim into position without permission, but some of these can also be circumnavigated by going into the Avatar menu > Avatar Health > Stop animating my avatar at the top of the viewer. I know there are some that black out your screen for a time as if you are a wearing a blindfold (as was the case with Sassy's Bad Day products), but even that can be circumnavigated by again shutting down SL and logging back in to a different location (away from your would-be rapist). Generally speaking, simply turning off the RLV in the viewer itself (when one has access to it/can see it) and relogging will stop any would-be rapist in their tracks at any point in the attempted rape. When she logs back in, detach and delete the flower just as @Mollymews, @Alyona Su and @Orwar stated above - and get into the habit of being mindful about the kinds of things she accepts in the future from strangers and even from well meaning friends who don't know any better. That's just commonsense.

Bottom line: Unless and until RLV comes with the ability to Remote Access another's computer (and it currently does not), and she was physically forced in the real world to remain in her seat at the keyboard and watch it, then no one can be forced to stay online and endure forced sex in Second Life under any pretence, not for a first time, and definitely not a second.

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The elephant in the room is still RLV. The OP does not specify why RLV was turned on to begin with. Secondarily is the fact then even with RLV, the person using it must *give permissions* to any other wanting control over it by default. The only way another can take control of RLV without the wearer giving permission is to intentionally set it to full permissions (anyone may take control of it willy-nilly; a.k.a. promiscuous mode).

Therefore I see one of two scenarios: the person described in the OP is either utterly ignorant about RLV and has no business using it (and the very reason LL will *NEVFER* include it into their viewer) because someone 'sprained how to turn it on, etc., or that person described in the OP knew very darned well what they were doing and is brewing drama for attention. I just cannot see any other plausible scenario beyond these.

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Years ago, this neighbour I used to have, she said someone went to her skybox and raped her, so she was going to ask for a refund on the rent to the land owner. Well, I laughed  and said: well, you need to sit on a ball first, dont you? -  I don´t know the answer, she just blocked me.

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So... is this a fantasy or a porno?

Because to me (and you can call me a terrible person, but you can always log off) this sounds like either a funny story or a fun adventure.

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2 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

So... is this a fantasy or a porno?

   I suspect it's drama. Person A cheats on their partner (person B), feels guilty, makes up an excuse and blames RLV which person B are unfamiliar with, and person B remains suspicious  and goes to the forums to find out whether it's at all possible - which, simply put, it isn't.

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11 minutes ago, Orwar said:

whether it's at all possible - which, simply put, it isn't.

DING! Says what I was hoping to say in a "polite" way. LOL YOU GET A GIANT COOKIE!

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Long ago, while I was still relatively new I was at a beach. I had RLV turned on, my partner and I had just recently begun to experiment with it. A guy at the beach offered to give me a cute teddy bear, and I accepted it. He then began to drag me wherever he wanted. I told him to stop, he ignored me, I started to panic. I was trying to remove the stupid bear but I couldn't. I couldn't TP anywhere either. Then I realized I could just log out. Once I got past the initial shock of being kidnapped, I figured out that if I turned RLV off I could get rid of the bear, which I did, and was now wiser knowing not to accept gifts from strangers. Unless of course, well you know, SL is suppose to be an adventure.

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You can't be coerced to do anything in SL.

  • If it's through RLV? Just log off and turn the function off.
  • If it's a landowner, TP home or somewhere else.
  • If it's a secondlife experience key? Leave the experience.

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43 minutes ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

You can't be coerced to do anything in SL.

  • If it's through RLV? Just log off and turn the function off.
  • If it's a landowner, TP home or somewhere else.
  • If it's a secondlife experience key? Leave the experience.

While true people have to learn this first and be faniliar with it - there's a good reason most viewers have RLV off by default or not at all.

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17 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

While true people have to learn this first and be faniliar with it - there's a good reason most viewers have RLV off by default or not at all.

Yeah but nobody keeps their viewer on for 1,5 hour if they are being virtually abused against their will. Even if they do not understand RLV.

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If you have RLV enabled then it is plausible that someone might gift you a sneaky object and kidnap you away.

You get out of this by disabling RLV and re-logging, or re-logging at home with the official client. 

As someone deeply involved with the creation and capabilities modern RLVa has please take this as gospel. Leaving RLV to exit a situation you are not comfortable in is not cheating, it is not bad, and you should not feel bad. Annoyed and perhaps a little more wary of attaching random things from random people, sure, but not bad or guilty. RLV is not some kind of weird endurance test.

If it's not fun, stop doing it.

If something happens in SL that you do not consent to, you may always log off, you can not be forced to do anything you are not a willing participant to , even with RLV.

The person wearing the 'flower' did not log off, and kept wearing the 'flower' for several weeks without asking anyone how to remove it. 

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I understand the force fantasy and the appeal of RLV. I have, however, met a few people over the years who appear to be so enmeshed in the fantasy of it that they either can't or won't accept that it is indeed fantasy. I was friends with a couple who bought a girl at auction who then resisted her slavery. Apparently the three of them had an absolute screaming match on voice over it. (I said, you were all just roleplaying, right? Apparently not.) I knew one person who told me in horrified tones about RLV captors who would do dangerous things like TAKE HER OUT OF THE SIM. To be fair, she was a total fruitcake, but the point is she existed, and so did others like her.

Some people really need to act or believe, on some level, that what is happening to them at the computer is absolutely beyond their control. Or they need someone else to believe it.

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On 6/22/2019 at 12:56 PM, Tracie2000 said:

The whole "rape" took place over a period of 1 1/2 hours.

Can i meet this guy? Most of my rapists give up in few minutes

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2 hours ago, Kweopi said:

Can i meet this guy? Most of my rapists give up in few minutes

This isnt exploring one's sexuality which is healthy to do. There are a lot of things in sl that I will put it in the self-exploration basket BDSM etc, rape however I cannot. Rape and p3dophilia both cross lines that should never be searched out, encouraged even RPed. The fact you find enjoyment in it tells me a lot about the kind of person you are. I know girls who have been raped in parks while walking home from a friends house in the middle of the day, a boy who had a beer bottles shoved up his ass all because some drunk pr!cks decided it would be fun. This is spitting on every rape survivor in the world today. This subject hits too close to home for me but it's fine go about your fantasy like it isnt something that effects real people every single bloody day. To the people who laughed at this stupid comment, your just as pathetic as the poster. 

 

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I'm truly sorry for your traumatic experience and I hope you get justice. We were laughing at something else.

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26 minutes ago, ananoelle said:

Authoritarian opinions on BDSM.

   What two or more consenting adults wish to do in their privacy is none of your business, nor anyone else's but theirs. In what form people chose to exchange power in a D/s relationship is their choice and theirs alone. Who do you think you are, to say in which ways people can or can't express their sexual fantasies or what tools they may employ to do so? BDSM has absolutely nothing to with sexual crime, confusing the two suggests that you're blatantly ignorant of what it is and just blindly lash out at whatever you don't understand.

   Your friends, as well as any victims of rape, have my deepest sympathies - but to claim that sexual role play is 'spitting on them' is plainly arrogant.

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40 minutes ago, ananoelle said:

This isnt exploring one's sexuality which is healthy to do. There are a lot of things in sl that I will put it in the self-exploration basket BDSM etc, rape however I cannot. Rape and p3dophilia both cross lines that should never be searched out, encouraged even RPed. The fact you find enjoyment in it tells me a lot about the kind of person you are. I know girls who have been raped in parks while walking home from a friends house in the middle of the day, a boy who had a beer bottles shoved up his ass all because some drunk pr!cks decided it would be fun. This is spitting on every rape survivor in the world today. This subject hits too close to home for me but it's fine go about your fantasy like it isnt something that effects real people every single bloody day. To the people who laughed at this stupid comment, your just as pathetic as the poster. 

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine.

I'm sorry for what happened to your friends, and real rape isn't justified at all, ever. But a line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I'm not saying that rape is a laughing matter. But everyone has their individual triggers. Clearly this is yours. To someone else it's politics. To someone else its religion. Or gender equality. Or same sex marriage. Or human trafficking. Or indebted servitude/slavery. Or murder. A good percentage of all that happens pretty frequently in SL too. I know people who've been beaten to death for being gay. I'm sure we've all got equally horrific stories to tell. That doesn't detract from your experiences, but it bears remembering others have their own coping strategies. For all you know you just offended someone that was raped in real life too if their coping strategy was laughter. While we can all agree that the real world is horrific place, Second Life is NOT real life. It's FANTASY. Should we say nothing, and do nothing, at the risk of offending other people, even in this VIRTUAL PLATFORM that happens to a VIRTUAL AVATAR? I suspect you won't agree with anything I've said, or will likely take offence, and that's your prerogative to do so. What I find most telling is that you didn't make mention of those same feelings of derision you just voiced about me and others against the OP's partner's alleged rapist.

And for the record I will laugh at what I find funny because (read the top line again).

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2 minutes ago, Orwar said:

   What two or more consenting adults wish to do in their privacy is none of your business, nor anyone else's but theirs. In what form people chose to exchange power in a D/s relationship is their choice and theirs alone. Who do you think you are, to say in which ways people can or can't express their sexual fantasies or what tools they may employ to do so? BDSM has absolutely nothing to with sexual crime, confusing the two suggests that you're blatantly ignorant of what it is and just blindly lash out at whatever you don't understand.

   Your friends, as well as any victims of rape, have my deepest sympathies - but to claim that sexual role play is 'spitting on them' is plainly arrogant.

This is not  BDSM, read my damn post properly. Where did I say I was against BDSM??? please show me 

1 hour ago, ananoelle said:

This isnt exploring one's sexuality which is healthy to do. There are a lot of things in sl that I will put it in the self-exploration basket BDSM etcrape however I cannot. Rape and p3dophilia both cross lines that should never be searched out, encouraged even RPed. The fact you find enjoyment in it tells me a lot about the kind of person you are. I know girls who have been raped in parks while walking home from a friends house in the middle of the day, a boy who had a beer bottles shoved up his ass all because some drunk pr!cks decided it would be fun. This is spitting on every rape survivor in the world today. This subject hits too close to home for me but it's fine go about your fantasy like it isnt something that effects real people every single bloody day. To the people who laughed at this stupid comment, your just as pathetic as the poster. 

 

4 hours ago, Kweopi said:

Can i meet this guy? Most of my rapists give up in few minutes

You call that fantasy or RP and that's meant to make it ok, I guess when its not 'real' and you can log out and forget it happened then you can do whatever you damn well like. 

Real survivors don't get to log out or give consent to be raped.

Who am I... I'm the girl who ain't afraid to speak her mind and who hates the very thought of rape.

Go about your day hero!

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3 minutes ago, ananoelle said:

This is not  BDSM, read my damn post properly. Where did I say I was against BDSM??? please show me 

6 minutes ago, RaeLeeH said:

There are a lot of things in sl that I will put it in the self-exploration basket BDSM etc, rape however I cannot. Rape and p3dophilia both cross lines that should never be searched out, encouraged even RPed. The fact you find enjoyment in it tells me a lot about the kind of person you are.

   Edit: Since you edited your post, I quoted RaeLeeH's quote of yours before it was edited.

 

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2 minutes ago, Orwar said:

   Edit: Since you edited your post, I quoted RaeLeeH's quote of yours before it was edited.

 

i never edited it i highlighted what i said to prove a point... 

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