What's the amount of Prims to Land?

[MzSarken]

I've been seeing some numbers that seem strange to me. So I'm asking, what's the prim allotment for mainland lots?

Let's say I'm buying a lot at 1024 sq m, how many prims should this give me by LL ? 

This is about buying mainland lots, not leasing it from another person.

Edited June 17, 2019 by MzSarken

[Chic Aeon]

You can go stand on any parcel and look at the land tab to see the land impact available for that parcel. A 1024 lot is 351 for MAINLAND. Private lands could have varying land impact, so reading the info on the lot is definitely advised.

 

Edited June 17, 2019 by Chic Aeon
adding info

[MzSarken]

I know know how to check, my issue is that I've been seeing land with prim counts that seem off.  Normally, I buy lots over 2,000 m. What I've been seeing is  lots of this size with less than 1,000 prims. This is why I'm asking what the base prims are. Perhaps this could be a red flag that the lot is not actually for sale but for rent by another party.

[Fox Wijaya]

43 minutes ago, MzSarken said:

 Normally, I buy lots over 2,000 m. What I've been seeing is  lots of this size with less than 1,000 prims. This is why I'm asking what the base prims are. Perhaps this could be a red flag that the lot is not actually for sale but for rent by another party.

if a lot of 1024 sqm has a Li of 351 ... one of 2000 sqm can't have over 1000 .... unless! : it's a double prim mainland like horizons, or Li bonus on private estates.

[Theresa Tennyson]

2 hours ago, MzSarken said:

I know know how to check, my issue is that I've been seeing land with prim counts that seem off.  Normally, I buy lots over 2,000 m. What I've been seeing is  lots of this size with less than 1,000 prims. This is why I'm asking what the base prims are. Perhaps this could be a red flag that the lot is not actually for sale but for rent by another party.

They could be sections of a "homestead" region. Homesteads have much less land impact capacity than a full region (around 25%.)

[MzSarken]

Fox, you're missing my point- perhaps I should have been specific. I saw a lot of sale this week- advertising about 2,000m roughly,  When I visited the lot and clicked to check the land- the object tab said about 620 prims allowed. This didn't clock for me. I saw a few others in the same area that left me thinking 'this doesn't seem right' So I asked my question. It's not that I didn't know what the amount was, it's that based on what I knew, I needed someone to confirm the numbers. 

Theresa, I wasn't aware that mainland lots could be set as 'homestead'. As far as I, this doesn't happen. I believe that what I've been looking is Mainland as that's what the ads on the forum say they are.

[Chic Aeon]

38 minutes ago, MzSarken said:

Fox, you're missing my point- perhaps I should have been specific. I saw a lot of sale this week- advertising about 2,000m roughly,  When I visited the lot and clicked to check the land- the object tab said about 620 prims allowed. This didn't clock for me. I saw a few others in the same area that left me thinking 'this doesn't seem right' So I asked my question. It's not that I didn't know what the amount was, it's that based on what I knew, I needed someone to confirm the numbers. 

Theresa, I wasn't aware that mainland lots could be set as 'homestead'. As far as I, this doesn't happen. I believe that what I've been looking is Mainland as that's what the ads on the forum say they are.

A 2048 lot is equivalent to 702 land impact.  The ratio is "about" .34 li per  meter ---  so if my math  is correct a 2000m lot would be "about" 680 land impact.  I am sure you can do the math out to longer decimals if needed :D.    If the land is just "roughly" 2000m then maybe it is small enough to become 620.  It would need to be closer to 1800 (a bit more) for it to add up to 620.  Sometimes folks selling land "cheat" a bit in their descriptions. :D.  I used to call them on it fairly often here in these forums. They seem to have stopped, but there could be new ones out there. 

 

Maybe you need to take a screenshot of the problematic land and paste in. No need to know where it is or how much it costs. I didn't find anything in the land forum when searching for 2000 -- at least no land for sale).

 

[ChinRey]

2 hours ago, MzSarken said:

Theresa, I wasn't aware that mainland lots could be set as 'homestead'. As far as I, this doesn't happen. I believe that what I've been looking is Mainland as that's what the ads on the forum say they are.

There are a few homestead sims on mainland but as far as I know, not any with parcels for sale.

A more likely explanation is that there are some prims on the parcel already. If that is the case, you can simply clear them out once you've bought it.

[Prokofy Neva]

On 6/17/2019 at 3:17 PM, MzSarken said:

I know know how to check, my issue is that I've been seeing land with prim counts that seem off.  Normally, I buy lots over 2,000 m. What I've been seeing is  lots of this size with less than 1,000 prims. This is why I'm asking what the base prims are. Perhaps this could be a red flag that the lot is not actually for sale but for rent by another party.

1024 m of land will always have the exact same number of prims no matter where it is, this is a fixed, mathematical feature of the programming of the servers.

But GROUPED land may arrange it differently. In a group, prims work differently. You are not limited to the hard number of prim limit that you would be if the parcel stood alone. Regardless, then of the "parcel limit" you could keep endlessly putting out prims on one parcel -- as many as you have available in all the land in your group. This is one vulnerability of group rentals. But actually, the overwhelming majority of people put out only what their limit is, on the honour system. The Mainland is not the horror depicted by people selling private islands and using Mainland Horror as a marketing device. And these days, people don't use up their prim limit as mesh means they have more prims to spare.

There are also 1024 parcels on homesteads, which would in turn have less than the standard Mainland parcel because there, too, prims work differently, with less prims but more space, so to speak.

Homestead by its nature can't be on Mainland. It can only be bought if you already own an island. So it will be put by an island normally. And plenty of people have parcels of homesteads for rent or "sale" -- I'm one of them.

So Chin, I'd love to see where these "homestead sims on the Mainland" are, never saw them.

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by Prokofy Neva

[ChinRey]

3 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

So Chin, I'd love to see where these "homestead sims on the Mainland" are, never saw them.

As I said, none of the mainland sims with parcels that can be sold are homesteads so my comment may have been a bit off topic.

The Blake Sea regions are homesteads though and although I can't remember for sure I believe some of the other mainland regions LL use for their own buidls are too.

[MzSarken]

So, what I've discovered is that these lands where the prims seem off are actually lots people are renting out. They fudge the numbers on what people can use with the lots. This mean that a lot for sale that offers the standard 351 per 1024m is a rental to another party, not a clean / direct sale where the buyer pays the tier. 

Chic / Fox, I was using rough estimates, you're both using exact numbers. Of course it won't match up. I had said " I buy lots over 2,000 m" sometimes I buy lots that are 3,027 m with  1,053 prims, sometimes it's 4,096 m that's 1,404 prims, *since you're being exact). This is where I"m coming up with being over 1,000 prims.

On another note, could someone please point me to the regions with double prims ? I can't seem to find them. Thank you.

Edited June 28, 2019 by MzSarken

[Qie Niangao]

15 hours ago, MzSarken said:

On another note, could someone please point me to the regions with double prims ? I can't seem to find them. Thank you.

Look in Bay City and Nautilus, also the so-called "Nova Albion" regions such as Sistiana and their former teen grid counterparts (e.g. Hippoden), and some of the water-adjacent regions on the Zindra continent. Others may be slipping my mind at the moment.

[Lewis Luminos]

On 6/17/2019 at 11:35 PM, MzSarken said:

Fox, you're missing my point- perhaps I should have been specific. I saw a lot of sale this week- advertising about 2,000m roughly,  When I visited the lot and clicked to check the land- the object tab said about 620 prims allowed. This didn't clock for me. 

This means its Homestead and not Mainland. Check in About Land and look at the Estate Owner.  If it's Homestead it will say so here. If the seller is advertising it as mainland they are either lying, or they are only renting it to you and they are renting sky platforms to other people on the same parcel.

[Lewis Luminos]

On 6/29/2019 at 3:54 PM, Qie Niangao said:

Look in Bay City and Nautilus, also the so-called "Nova Albion" regions such as Sistiana and their former teen grid counterparts (e.g. Hippoden), and some of the water-adjacent regions on the Zindra continent. Others may be slipping my mind at the moment.

I think Horizons has double prims also, but I have no clue where Horizons is.

[Qie Niangao]

5 hours ago, Lewis Luminos said:

I think Horizons has double prims also, but I have no clue where Horizons is.

Oh quite right. It's just north of the Zindra Adult continent. (I think the Horizons regions are all Adult, too.)

[MzSarken]

Thank you for the names of the regions. It's much appreciated