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I don't play (or fully understand) Vampire play or bloodlines or whatever. It just seems like any other Role Play method to me. What I am wondering is why I need random Sims protecting me with "no vampire" policies? If I tried it and didn't like it couldn't I just stop playing it?

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I think it's awesome something like that is even possible on Sl, even if i don't join them or ever will. But you have to know they can't harm you. They can bite you ( don't accept everything you get), but remember it is just an avatar. You can't die, you don't have blood, and Leslie Nielsen will not fly in your bedroom to bite you. 

If you use the search-function on the forum, you will find much more information about the people who have a blood shortage. They just play a game. it is up to you to join them or not. 

So, I am not a vampire.... want to meet somewhere quiet? 

 

 

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Thanks for the positive reviews Aidy, but I was wondering why sims felt they needed to protect people by banning vampire play. Does it somehow make some people afraid to visit or shop?

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Mesh garlic or prim garlic? :P 

8 hours ago, AidySL said:

Ow, and garlic

 

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There was a big stink years ago because people didn't like that Bloodlines had an external database with the usernames of everyone who'd interacted with the game. Even if that interaction was just being bitten. They gave us a way to opt out of the game entirely (garlic necklace) later, but a lot of people really still hate it. Plus, the bite requests were annoying and used to happen everywhere you went. That's where the anti-vampire warning signs come from lol.

It just has a bad reputation and lots of folks still don't want it on their land. I think the newer vampire systems get kind of lumped in with Bloodlines, but I'm really not sure about that.

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   It feels as if a lot of sims exaggerate the 'danger' of vampires. Sure, spampires can be an annoyance but unless people are as naive as to press accept on anything that pops up (in which case the Internet at large might not be the place for them), nothing can come of it - and even if you do get bitten, nothing actually happens until you put on a Bloodlines HUD, which you have to purchase to join the game. It's the same with people who refuse garlic necklaces but still want to put a bunch of wasted effort into whining; most newbie welcoming areas have vendors for free garlic necklaces, you just put it on, click it to activate it, take it off and throw it away, and you can NEVER be harassed by a vampire again. Your username ends up on an external site - as if Bloodlines would be the only Second Life service that does this? Liquid Designs would come down pretty quickly if their game broke the TOS, but it doesn't. Whenever you go to a sim, you may be caught on a traffic counter or other shenanigans, which may well pop your name on a list that's saved off-grid.

   You can not be bit without giving your consent, and even if it's a miss-click, it does you no harm. It's worse for other Bloodline players, who may end up actually losing resources if they accidentally accept a bite from a stranger (although the value for a standard bite is blood equal to L$5). And that it targets vampires specifically, when it's exactly the same system for werewolves, it just goes to show how misinformed the whiners tend to be.

   That said, most 'decent' Bloodline clans have strict rules about who you bite, when you bite and where you bite. Unfortunately the nameless hordes that just care about stealing resources and tagging souls to get pretty titles are the ones that get all the attention. That isn't even RP, that's like being proud of your score (or whatever) on a spammy Facebook game that harasses everyone on your friend list whenever you pick an apple or fish up a bass.

   If both parties consent, then I don't see why a bite would be worse than using an animation to dance with each other. Unless it's an overtly erotic biting animation (yes, those exist), it's little different from hugging or kissing.

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Just wondering, if you get bitten once, does that mean you can not even be bitten again? I remember getting the pop up a few times in my early days, but never had it in the past 10 years or so? Might be I clicked yes at some point back then.

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2 hours ago, Zeta Vandyke said:

Just wondering, if you get bitten once, does that mean you can not even be bitten again? I remember getting the pop up a few times in my early days, but never had it in the past 10 years or so? Might be I clicked yes at some point back then.

   No. You can be bitten an unlimited amount of times, by an unlimited amount of people. I think the golden age of the spampires may have largely passed, all that remains of it is people being paranoid.

   What happens when you get bit the first time is that your 'soul' is tagged, as in that whoever the original biter was has laid a claim on it. Upon putting on a Bloodlines HUD, the claim would be confirmed and he or she would be the holder of your soul. There are tools to counteract both the claim (drinking a certain potion before putting the HUD on), or transferring the soul (which is done by you and whoever is to become the new holder - the holder themselves don't have a say in whose souls they actually hold) - however you can only trade souls, so you'd have to change it out for another one. The vampire or werewolf also do not benefit from any blood / 'lumens' before you put the HUD on.

   This is also why people who are actually into Bloodlines hate spampires with a passion - the potions aren't free (wouldn't be a pyramid scheme if it was!), and unless you've got the souls of an ex-friend or ex-partner that you're willing to get rid of, you'd have to make an alt and deck them out with a Bloodlines HUD to get a spare soul to trade away, if you wanted to join Bloodlines and wanted me to hold your soul. The Spampires have -nothing- to gain, unless their victims one day decide to just go buy a Bloodlines HUD (which is a terrible strategy of joining Bloodlines to begin with - without a community or some friends to help you out, you'd soon face starvation).

   Whenever I've had a friend or partner who wanted to get into Bloodlines, I'd scan them to make sure that their soul isn't kept in limbo by some random spampire, as it's easier and cheaper to resolve it by having them drink a potion and then biting them yourself, and setting them up with the HUD, to make them your blood doll or protege.

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On 6/2/2019 at 2:37 AM, Willingtoo said:

Thanks for the positive reviews Aidy, but I was wondering why sims felt they needed to protect people by banning vampire play. Does it somehow make some people afraid to visit or shop?

It's simple, think of bloodlines as a pyramid scheme.

Because of that in the old days A LOT of these bloodline players would just go to popular places and spam pretty much anyone with bite requests, because "the more you bite the merrier!"
A lot of people had no clue what all this was and they were getting these prompts every few minutes from people they didn't know, and even if they kept pressing Deny over and over again it was still annoying to get these constantly and THAT was the major objection people had, not their names being listed outside of SL since the vast majority of targets didn't even know that was a thing.

The free Garlic Necklace stops all this, but as far as I can remember that came out quite a while later thanks to all the complains bloodlines was getting.

The problem with all this is, and this shouldn't go without saying, is people that didn't want to participate in the game (or even know what the hell it was) had to actively take steps to get out of it, which needless to say should NOT be the case.
No one should be required to look something up so they can opt out of it.
The aforementioned garlic necklace wasn't a common knowledge thing and for that a lot of people just settle with pressing Deny a couple dozen times a day, and even if someone told them about it they were still expected to get it and wear that scripted object made by some people they didn't know and probably didn't even like.

With all that a lot of clubs just labeled "bite requests" as harassment (rightly so) and some places carry it on till today. If you can imagine getting a dozen or so random friend requests a day, you can understand how it was.

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2 hours ago, Dean Haystack said:

It's simple, think of bloodlines as a pyramid scheme. ...

Yay. Thank you Dean for reading my question and addressing it.

So it is a reaction against the spamming. (I was here from 2005 to about 2012) Back in the day ... There were Linden Hubs sprinkled about where all thew n00bs would land when coming in-game and if you passed one you would get deluged with NCs for stores, casinos, sex and sims, etc. Annoying sure but not that hard to ignore.

But to be clear, even if you accepted a "bite request" you couldn't actually be compelled to purchase anything, could you? You could still choose to continue or quit vampire RPing if you wanted to, no?

I like the intent (Don't spam out guests) but it seems too focused to be effective (Don't spam bite requests, or "No Bloodlines".)

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On 6/6/2019 at 11:13 AM, Willingtoo said:

Yay. Thank you Dean for reading my question and addressing it.

So it is a reaction against the spamming. (I was here from 2005 to about 2012) Back in the day ... There were Linden Hubs sprinkled about where all thew n00bs would land when coming in-game and if you passed one you would get deluged with NCs for stores, casinos, sex and sims, etc. Annoying sure but not that hard to ignore.

But to be clear, even if you accepted a "bite request" you couldn't actually be compelled to purchase anything, could you? You could still choose to continue or quit vampire RPing if you wanted to, no?

I like the intent (Don't spam out guests) but it seems too focused to be effective (Don't spam bite requests, or "No Bloodlines".)

Yes, you can quit any vampire game anytime. And you can join again if you want.

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On 6/3/2019 at 8:40 PM, Orwar said:

  

On 6/3/2019 at 5:35 PM, Zeta Vandyke said:

Just wondering, if you get bitten once, does that mean you can not even be bitten again? I remember getting the pop up a few times in my early days, but never had it in the past 10 years or so? Might be I clicked yes at some point back then.

No. You can be bitten an unlimited amount of times, by an unlimited amount of people...

This is only partially true though. If I remember correctly, if you have accepted a bite once, but not buy the hud, any other player attempting to bite/attack/whatever they have nowadays will get the message that you have been bitten before, and you need to buy a HUD. They will not be able to bite you. So in that sense, allowing one bite without buying the hud, will indeed protect you from further bite attempts.

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On 6/1/2019 at 6:37 PM, Willingtoo said:

Thanks for the positive reviews Aidy, but I was wondering why sims felt they needed to protect people by banning vampire play. Does it somehow make some people afraid to visit or shop?

I think the point of the No Bloodlines - No Biting movement was the annoyance players were causing. For a time everywhere I went, there was someone on my neck. Some players went after anyone still moving. Shop owners were getting complaints. Basically, players abused other SL peeps not playing BL. I finally let a rather polite vampire bit me so the rest would leave me the freak alone.

As to players being afraid... there is a thread or two in here somewhere in which a few players are DESPERATELY trying to get their soul back... 🙄  were these people for real? I found it hard to decide in a couple of cases. They did not appear to be trolls.

Remember. There are third-world countries where what the western world takes as superstition they take as reality. So, as bizarre sounding as it may be for many, for some it actually seems to be an issue. 

These days I see far fewer of the signs than in the past. I tend to think the game is dying out. But I haven't really thought about it or looked into it.

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On 6/1/2019 at 12:49 PM, Willingtoo said:

If I tried it and didn't like it couldn't I just stop playing it?

Yes 😊

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I normally would not necro an older thread, but in this case........ My wife just joined SL yesterday. I can fully understand why the anti bloodlines or anti vampire signs would be posted. She started off being perved on by some idiot on learning island within her first 2 minutes telling her all about his pills and condoms or lack thereof. Then, she hadn't been on social island more than 5 minutes before some vampire came up and started absolutely harassing the hell out of her. I went over to her laptop and saw what was going on, and I couldn't understand what was going on. The vampire avatar had this glowy zappy stuff going on all around him and he absolutely would not stop or leave her alone. He chased her for another 5 or so minutes before he finally gave up. She had been very skeptical of joining as she is not a gamer and hates game fights, and this came really close to ending her sl life before it began. I myself was harassed on social island by vampires when I first joined, but nowhere near as badly as she was yesterday! I told her before she joined, to watch out because the ones I had come into contact with were a**holes, and she found out how right I was in the first 15 minutes. If I could have gotten this guys name yesterday, I would have reported him. This kind of behavior is enough to run people off if they are just starting and have no idea of what to expect. I will be making social island a regular hangout spot for a bit, and reporting any I see harassing people as she was done.

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@malcolmmerlyn1 What a nasty experience.  Unfortunately a**holes exist in all walks of life.  I don't suppose it will help much to say that not all participants in the game behave in that way.  I'm not sure what the glowy effect was about; those playing the game don't tend to have that sort of thing happening unless they're actively attacking, for which they'd need the other person's consent.  He sounds like someone trying to appear more fearsome than he is.  If it helps I'll happily come over when you're there and tell you what my Bloodlines HUD has to say about the spampire; his family might be interested to know of his behaviour, and I'm happy to add an abuse report to yours if you wish.

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Thank you for the reply Garnet, I know she did not accept any invites, or anything like that so I didn't understand it either. I am sure all are not bad as with anything else, but this was just way too much.

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I had a quick look round all the islands but nothing much was happening except for one pretentious Angels and Demons member swishing his tail.  They don't even bother to talk to people before doing their thing, which seems to amount to standing within 10 metres of someone and collecting their name for a database.  Ah well.

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Typo.

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