Fixed Landing Points ☠ ☠ ☠

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

I hate them. So much. Why do people use them?

For in-world games, I can understand. But LL gave us Experiences to take care of those dirty double click teleport cheaters.

I can only think of one reason:

"Thou shalt walk a lengthy and patient walk though and gaze and wonder upon my meticulously crafted landscape and store on thy quest for reaching that vendor machine and give me L$ L$ L$ whether thou likest it or not. And thou shalt do it again, like Sisyphus, whenever thou accidentally double-clicketh on stuff."

Are there any other reasons to use fixed landing points which will soften my despair? Or is it reasonable to just call upon all store owners to uncheck that cursed feature?

[Lindal Kidd]

...grabs her torch and pitchfork and joins Arduenn's vengeful throng of peasants.

[Zeta Vandyke]

I had a fixed landing zone on my adult sim when I still had it, because at the landing zone all the advertising boards where placed and they would have much less sale value if people could land just anywhere, and also the rooms I rented close to the landing zone were a bit more expensive than the ones on the outside of the sim, due to traffic.

Also a lot of sims have rules for their sim, either role play or behavior or any kind of info, and want to be sure you read them, so they place this info hub at a fixed landing zone.

Or donation info/tip jars for photogenic sims where people can explore. Instead of putting them all over the sim looking less nice, they put them at the landing zone where they are easy to find.

Or maybe the sim changes a lot and they want to make sure people land at a nice and safe spot, and not below sim or in mountainsides after they did some redesign

There's plenty of reasons. And its all up to the sim owner, they pay a handsome amount of rent each week so its totally up to them on how they like you to experience visiting their sim.

[LittleMe Jewell]

For stores and shopping events both, I hate forced landing point and no fly.  I'm always in fly mode after a TP and use it to immediately get a bit away from the pile-up at a landing point.  If I can't get to a specific area via a direct LM or via double-click TP, then I am forced to walk/fly through the molasses that is clogging down the landing area.  

For most non-shopping areas, it doesn't bother me so much.

[KT Kingsley]

There's landing points because art, there's landing points because affiliate vendors, there's landing points because "privacy", there's landing points because control freakishness, and there's landing points because inability to not use a feature when it's there and it's free.

And then there's no landing points because holistic libtard remoaner Marxist freedom of movement socialist fun, convenience and usability. Feminism should, probably, get a look in there, too.

ETA: I forgot to mention, and then there's no landing points because why on Earth would I want to?

Edited May 5, 2019 by KT Kingsley

[Profaitchikenz Haiku]

Not all parcel owners can use experiences for their land.

Having a landing point set stops those annoying visitors who see the green dots on the map and click where they are to fall out of the sky and spoil the party.

Or finally, it's LL, people who pay tier can set their own rules.

[LittleMe Jewell]

34 minutes ago, Profaitchikenz Haiku said:

Or finally, it's LL, people who pay tier can set their own rules.

While we know this, we still often want to try and understand rational.  I'm programmed that way - I'm always wanting to know "why".

Also, even though we know the land owners can do whatever they want, it is still perfectly plausible for folks wanting to express the displeasure at some things.  Sometimes, folks do things a certain way because it never dawned on them that lots of people don't like that way.  Besides, complaining is also part of human nature. 

[Chic Aeon]

I don't like fixed landing points either --- but I currently HAVE one at my shop. This is because I have a TON OF LANDMARKS out going to the ground level  and I have moved to the sky (mainland - breedables at groundish level).  I also put a BIG "CHIC" silver sign on the ground hoping folks that come from the Places Pages see it and buy the landmark for 0 and get to where they want to be. 

I will eventually put it back to land everywhere, but for now that is my best solution. It has nothing to do with rezzing (I designed the new shop to rez REALLY quickly  ) or ads (hate those).  It actually is about trying to help folks. And my place is small so it isn't a big deal to walk to where you want to be. 

Hopefully that is an "acceptable" reason for the OP LOL.  

[callistanull]

To me it depends on what the land is. For central hubs and small stores it's fine. For large stores with poorly placed teleporters or no teleporters it's aggravating. If I'm a returning customer then I know roughly what I want to buy and want to go straight to that section, without walking across half the sim and getting lost in a layout maze.

[LittleMe Jewell]

For smaller stores, forced landing spot is totally not a problem since walking or flying won't take an eternity.  For events and really large stores a forced landing point is a large irritation (worse for those super large events), but when it is coupled with an enforced no-fly zone it then becomes a major PITA and likely will result in me leaving and never returning to said location.  I am not about to walk an entire region just to to do a small bit of shopping.

I also don't like the regions filled with stores (most of which are fairly small), where you are forced to land in a central square / common area and then have to walk or fly past many other stores to get to the one you want.  Forcing me to walk/fly past all those other stores is not going to get me to stop and look in them.

[Selene Gregoire]

I happen to prefer rubberbanding walking to flying so LPs don't bother me much. Only when I'm having to rush things.

When I had my own land I did set an LP because for several years of that time I did have renters. You would be amazed at how much crap from jack@$$e$ having an LP eliminated.

LPs are also essential for RP sims. 

Many of the stores I go to have installed a nice little system that moves your avatar away from the LP just enough to avoid others coming in and allowing you the time to rez. I highly recommend this for all sims that use LPs.

Edited May 5, 2019 by Selene Gregoire

[Profaitchikenz Haiku]

2 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Also, even though we know the land owners can do whatever they want, it is still perfectly plausible for folks wanting to express the displeasure at some things.  Sometimes, folks do things a certain way because it never dawned on them that lots of people don't like that way.  Besides, complaining is also part of human nature. 

Uh-oh, is this going to lead to a thread "Why do people in SL complain about other people complaining about SL..."

[norajulian]

Fixed landing points are acceptable to me because I understand the reasoning. 

Teleport routing, however... *shakes fist in air*

[Stephanie Misfit]

13 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

For stores and shopping events both, I hate forced landing point and no fly.

Yep. I can deal with it if your shopping sim has only one forced landing point in the middle. I'm annoyed if you also have no fly turned on and will avoid coming back. Yes, I can change settings but I honestly don't want to patronise stores who would go out of their way to inconvenience customers.

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

16 hours ago, Zeta Vandyke said:

because at the landing zone all the advertising boards where placed

Nooo. Fixed landing points AND ad boards!!! Even worse!

[Anna Nova]

48 minutes ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

Nooo. Fixed landing points AND ad boards!!! Even worse!

That's 'mericans for ya.  Always advertizing somethin',  always trying to make an l-buck....

It's called the Consoomer Syety or sumthin'.

Why do peeps who hate SL come to SL to moan 'bout it?

Edited May 6, 2019 by anna2358
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[Gabriele Graves]

20 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

I hate them. So much. Why do people use them?

For in-world games, I can understand. But LL gave us Experiences to take care of those dirty double click teleport cheaters.

I can only think of one reason:

Here is another reason, some of us would not accept the experience and therefore not be able to visit.

Personally, I think it is rude to teleport people automatically without warning however it is done and do not see anything wrong with opening the map, offering a landmark or getting someone to sit on an object to take them there.

[Zeta Vandyke]

1 hour ago, anna2358 said:

That's 'mericans for ya.  Always advertizing somethin',  always trying to make an l-buck....

It's called the Consoomer Syety or sumthin'.

Why do peeps who hate SL come to SL to moan 'bout it?

I'm Dutch actually, but according to our neighbouring countries we are a greedy people, so guess it still stands

1 hour ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

Nooo. Fixed landing points AND ad boards!!! Even worse!

Advertisements made up 50% of my income on the sim, helping me to pay the rent. The whole business model was based on renting room and selling advertisement spaces. If you are so against it, I would have removed them specially for you if you payed me the income loss so I could still afford to keep the sim up. Or choose not to visit and not be bothered by it.

[Resi Pfeffer]

21 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

I hate them. So much. Why do people use them?

Im running a small and miniscule hangout spot, also with a fixed landing point set up. Because i dont want anyone to land where the logout or the last teleport was. It happened to me too often, someone was landig directly on my head, when i chilled on a public beach in a sun lounger, for example.
Well, as its just a quarter sim, where the most part is water, and flying is allowed, the fixed landig point shouldnt bother a lot.
 

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"Thou shalt walk a lengthy and patient walk though and gaze and wonder upon my meticulously crafted landscape and store on thy quest for reaching that vendor machine and give me L$ L$ L$ whether thou likest it or not. And thou shalt do it again, like Sisyphus, whenever thou accidentally double-clicketh on stuff."

No ads, no tip jars, no vendors.

Edited May 6, 2019 by Resi Pfeffer

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

So it's about money and it's about losing your business/location altogether, if there would not be a fixed landing point?

If you would disable the landing point, how certain are you that you would see a drop in income? What if it actually increases income, including ad revenues? Or at least does not make any difference at all? After all, there are many preconceptions out there, marketing-wise. And many marketing mechanisms are counter-intuitive.

Has anyone tried? Or would they be willing to try for a few months?

[Mollymews]

it used to bother when people did stuff on their parcels that I never liked or felt inconvenienced me. Now not so much hardly at all. I still get a bit eye rolly at some things but not to the point where I get stabby urges

[Resi Pfeffer]

57 minutes ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

If you would disable the landing point, how certain are you that you would see a drop in income? What if it actually increases income, including ad revenues?

You are just assuming. Did you ever think about the possibility, someone or a lot of people tried this already? Im pretty sure it just didnt work, otherwise you wouldnt have a reason to create that thread at all.

Just think about how RL supermarkets are set up. Even if you just need three items, its most likely you have to walk through the whole store to get what you need, and probably you end up with 6 items in your shopping cart.

1 hour ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

After all, there are many preconceptions out there, marketing-wise. And many marketing mechanisms are counter-intuitive.

To give a drastic example i ask you to imagine to be allowed to land directly on the ballroom dancefloor at "Franks Place".
Who would leave it to check out the vendors placed at the former fixed landing point? Or do you want to set them up around the dancefloor?

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

18 minutes ago, Resi Pfeffer said:

You are just assuming. Did you ever think about the possibility, someone or a lot of people tried this already?

I am assuming that everyone with a fixed landing point is just assuming that it is effective. Yes. And I did think about the possibility that they never even tried, because of their assumptions.

20 minutes ago, Resi Pfeffer said:

land directly on the ballroom dancefloor at "Franks Place".

Now there's a reasonable application, imho.

[Resi Pfeffer]

35 minutes ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

I am assuming that everyone with a fixed landing point is just assuming that it is effective. Yes. And I did think about the possibility that they never even tried, because of their assumptions.

I doubt that. But thats also just my personal assumption

35 minutes ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

Now there's a reasonable application, imho.

Even Abbotts Aerodrome, where people constantly fell out of the sky, had a fixed landing point, as far as i remember.

Edited May 6, 2019 by Resi Pfeffer
typo

[Selene Gregoire]

4 hours ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:

Now there's a reasonable application, imho.

You think the things I pointed out aren't reasonable? 

What galaxy did you say you live in?