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The 'no devil' thing is Zyngo...there used to be a devil window that would flash up and delete 50% of your score (and an angel that would increase it by 50%), which drove people nuts, so they removed it to attract more players. But it was pointless, as you'd have to spend a billion Ls playing it to get a 100L win anyway, devil or not :S

Really don't see the appeal of gacha either...

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Hm. Hmm. Well, even if it's a bit of a necro, it does give an opportunity to bash gachas, so ..    ... Gachas are obvious gambling á la lootboxes and should be banned on the same grounds, and if

This thread has been closed after being reopened from 2019, and going way off topic. Thank you all for your participation!

Gambling is gambling, even when you call it a lootbox or a gacha. Just a matter of time before legislation forces LL to ban 'em.  Even EA did away with them, seeing the writing on the wall, and E

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16 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

Gambling is gambling, even when you call it a lootbox or a gacha. Just a matter of time before legislation forces LL to ban 'em. 

Even EA did away with them, seeing the writing on the wall, and EA is terrible about monetizing everything they can. 

You can't declare it "gambling" when it takes place in a virtual currency. That's the problem with your theory. If someone wants to have a game where you get the pretty kitty if you try 10 times or 100 times at random, and waste 50L or 50,000L doing so, they can do this legally the way the people who make the Monopoly game in RL can do this.

The monetization of gatcha that the IRS and gambling authorities can become interested in theoretically ONLY takes place when you take your "loot boxes" and sell them inworld AND THEN CASH OUT. Then, possibly someone might construe this as gambling, but they'd have to see the difference between items that weren't in gatchas but were on transfer and were sellable; items you made yourself and sold them; and actual gatchas you won. Given that the amounts of cashout in SL don't reach high thresholds for gatcha resellers -- they tend to do that only for creators of breedables, houses, mesh bodies, etc. it's not likely they will bother. Maybe -- I doubt it.

So you want to try to accuse a merchant who sold her items in a gatcha machine that she has made money from gambling if people bought her wares from a machine set to 20% chance to get a rare of gambling, although she is not the "casino owner" and hasn't pulled the lever. Pretty much all merchants have a policy in their own personal policy notice that gatchas are a game of chance and she cannot help you if in that game of chance you pulled the lever 200 times and didn't get the rare. Randomness works that way, and so do gatcha machines set a impossible percentages. Given that most merchants make their profits not from gatchas only but no-transfer wares, the IRS will have to look through tens of thousands of records, which is possible, to see if this person who declared her SL income of $4000 US a year on her income tax form can be prosecuted under gambling. The IRS does have better things to do.

When the Lindens see fantastic sums changing hands in SL, they intervene quickly to freeze accounts and investigate and remove accounts and remove sums quickly. Someone once inexplicably sent me $100,000 from a day-old account and I immediately reported it to the Lindens and just kept the $100,000 in the account. They froze my account for a day or two, and when I logged back on, there was no $100,000 and no day-old account. This is a system with automatic and human monitoring.

The sneer with which some people greet the sale of items at random is understood, but your hopes of the IRS being able to deliver on this are marginal. The gatchas have been around at least 6 years, maybe longer. So has the IRS. The IRS gives huge scrutiny to virtual currency because of bitcoin and the Silk Road. They have examined SL already and PS when LL was sold, its product of SL would have gotten that scrutiny as well. I don't think that if this hasn't been regulated out of existence in 6 years, after the sale of a company was cleared through regulatory bodies, that you will get your wish.

EA did away with the sale of content for other reasons, not merely the IRS or gambling. I think any platform is going to be wary of player-to-player economies especially involving the sale of game loot from quests or rare avatars built up over years on ebay because they don't want to handle player disputes. On the Sims Online, which they allowed player content in finally as it was dying, was then killed off because everything about it, merchant complaints, copyright disputes, IP theft, etc. was just too hard to manage, I think. I guess you mean other EA games where you can sell the sword of wonderfulness, but I don't know the details.

If for some reason a very cautious LL under new ownership, or a very vigorous IRS under Biden, decides that in the world of all things, they need to focus on little dressmakers in SL who make a buck, they may retire the ability to sell gatchas by deprecating their percentage scripts or some other methods, i.e. banning sale on the MP. The merchants will simply join the throng of weekend and mid-week sales events and offer items on transfer there and people will have to flock to crowded sims and struggle to keep up with the welter of notices and groups, which will give them that thrill of the randomness of gatcha.

 

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On 5/14/2019 at 3:56 AM, j0Q said:

I never buy Gacha items reason being the sellers don't think it's necessary to describe anything about the item at all. I want to know everything about what I will be buying. That information is completely left out in the description.

When I was a newb at re-selling gatchas, I used to lovingly describe each item in the description box, and put its features in the boxes of 5 things, as well, and put elaborately long key word lists. I then got wise to the fact that nobody was buying my gatchas because they came to the world of things on the MP, searched for "1950s jello mould" and found my gatcha, lovingly described. How do I know that? Because they either didn't sell or whether I asked people who bought them what their search was, it was not "jello mould" but the full title of then name as placed on the item of the merchant, which would be more likely to be: "PrettyKitty: [01] Kitchen set (green). See how that works?

That's not how the space works, sadly for you. It can't, because the time cost and effort cost of doing what you would like to see is too great and can't be justified given that most gatchas re-sell for less than the pull price.

The overwhelming majority of gatcha buyers are not coming to the MP cold to look for a thing; they are gatcha buyers and re-sellers themselves who are looking for an item in a set they already saw on an events advertisement or at the event itself. So they know the exact name of that thing from the merchant's key. They plug that exact full name of the thing into search and find the available items with that exact name because they are uploaded nearly always with the original exact name from the merchant.

They sell tons of gatchas that way with merely copying and pasting the merchant's exact name into the title, the description, and even lazily, into the key words. I always go to the trouble to at least make key words with commas and single words, but many people don't bother to put them in at all. They don't need to. This is a market where people come to it looking for an exact search string they already have from a key.

Few have the luxury of doing what you want. And since you are in a tiny minority of buyers that want gatchas to fill in their search queries and have descriptions, no one can bother. In fact some people hate gatchas and make sure "limited quantities" is not checked off when they search so they don't come into their search returns.

If you want to know everything about an item before you buy it, you can a) not buy gatchas where no one will add to their labour for you and b) go to merchant's advertising pages, event pages, and Flickr to study an item's features before plugging in its exact name into search.

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25 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

If you want to know everything about an item before you buy it, you can a) not buy gatchas where no one will add to their labour for you and b) go to merchant's advertising pages, event pages, and Flickr to study an item's features before plugging in its exact name into search.

Or go to the merchant's store where the actual gacha machine is located.

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2 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

But that's NOT how gatcha sales work on the MP. And given the propensity for people to ask for handouts and refunds who didn't actually buy something and may have actually received it, I see no reason to offer refunds as a courtesy on the MP. Like thousands of other gatcha re-sellers, I put a disclaimer on my profile (not in every listing so as not to annoy you with extra texts the way many officious people do) that says a system that delivers from my inventory directly to yours is not one that I provide refunds for. So buyer beware. Far fewer people can try the scam of claiming something didn't deliver now that the system has direct delivery.

When you upload an item that is a single copy, it automatically becomes "Limited Quantities".

When it sells, there is no empty box that stays on the MP; the file for that item falls back into the "Unlisted" category in my experience in 99.9% of cases. So your idea that after a sale, an empty box remains for sale for people to buy it is incorrect -- the system does not work that way.

Yes, I suppose in theory you can have a situation of a buyer getting an empty box and you having an empty set of file folders - but I've actually never seen it happen that way. In my experience buyers don't get gatchas more because the box didn't deliver at all, than because they actually got an empty original merchant's box with no gatcha in it.

While it's possible to take a plywood box, label it exactly the same as the gatcha, put nothing in it, and sell it, I would say close to 100% of the gatcha sellers on the MP do not do that or gatcha selling would simply never work on the MP as everyone would lose confidence in it. It's much easier to FIND gatchas on the MP and often they are cheaper than what is selling world. So everyone interested in them is motivated. In my personal history of buying many gatchas on the MP, I have never gotten an empty box with no rare gatcha in it. Because most people are decent. 

I have literally sold thousands of gatchas, some very expensive rares. I have had exactly 3 times an empty box situation has occurred in the 5 years I have been doing this, and all of them in the last year, not in the previous years (maybe the system is more stressed now).

The first time it happened, the person who got an empty box from the original merchant immediately denounced me as a thief and kept on loudly accusing me of theft publicly in groups, etc. I looked on my account, I didn't see any box. I know definitely I put that gatcha in the box. I had one two of them. One I put in world with the rest of the set set and deleted its box. The other I checked multiple times to make sure it was in the box and put it on the MP.

So why didn't it deliver? It has one job to do, deliver, and with a recent feature of the MP (of 2 years ago?), deliveries go straight from my inventory to yours, so its chances of not delivering are far less. So why is the box empty? I have no idea. I wonder if this is even possible if you have set it up right. That is,  again, for that to happen you would have to either deliberately or accidentally put an empty merchant's box up on the MP with no gatcha in it. I think actually that's why many gatcha merchants create sales boxes that are on "no modify" so that once you take the item out of their box, you can't re-use their box again. They don't like complaint tickets from careless or unscrupulous people. Better to put it on no-mod! (They also do this because some gatcha events have special points or coupons that enable you to get the points instead of the item if you click to destroy it in that special system.)

I began to wonder if this loud denouncer was scamming me, making an accusation that was so heinous I would send him a $1000 gatcha to close the matter. He kept saying he was a famous merchant because he was in some popular events. Ok, I had never heard of him but who cares? He did seem to be in public events. It never occurred to him that since I was a long-time public figure in business, too, that I had no motivation to scam him in this sordid way.

He then began to announce haughtily that he simply went and got another one since he was that rich. The loudness with which he denounced me and the rapidity with which he got another one seemed awfully sus, but then, things happen. I publicized this incident on my blog so that there'd be a place the Internet could remember if he kept up any private denunciation of me. It was not in my inventory. Not in unlisted. Not in the trash. Not in the inventory not put in the Marketplace. Not inworld where I had the display of the whole set. So, in the ether? Who knows. No, I don't do the right thing and give someone $1000 anyway, as I will do with the odd time a rental box malfunctions of someone claiming to have paid beyond the 3 months visible on web accounts. Why? Because people who engage in reputational damage and denunciations in a space where good faith pretty much predominates, despite everything that can be awful about the MP do not get that courtesy.

The second time this happened, I was dismayed because I thought I couldn't possibly now defend a false charge. But this person simply quietly asked me if I could check my unlisted or my trash or my main inventory not yet on the MP. I checked unlisted, and there it was. It had become unlisted with the original merchant's box and with the rare gatcha still in it. I took it out of the MP, made sure we were both online and sent it to the buyer, as I saw her payment on the web site. We do have that backup to at least show if someone made any payment at all. She got it, and the incident was closed.

The third time this happened, I was checking my inventory which I constantly do. If I happen to have multiple copies of a gatcha I won, I put another one in the "unlisted" folder after the first copy sells, first carefully deleting the bottom file so that it goes into "listing" again. Note: it is not possible to relist an empty set of file folders. The Lindens have obviously thought this thing through. This strikes me as a cumbersome and maybe flawed routine for selling of additional copies, but we're all used to doing it and I don't know how you'd make a better one.

So again, I saw a very high-cost ultrarare sitting in my Unlisted, inexplicably, despite her payment visible on the web account. I contacted the buyer and asked her if she could check her inventory and be sure to open up the box. She wasn't even aware she hadn't received it because like a lot of buyers, myself included, things pile up in inventory and you don't have time to sort, display, or resell them and they drift slowly down into the sediments of the pre-historic era, never to be found again until you log on, notice that your inventory didn't all re-load, clear cache, clear cache again, file a ticket, and try to get a Linden to process a lost inventory claim. She confirmed she didn't receive it at all -- not an empty box, but nothing -- which seemed sensible as there it was in my Unlisted, and again, I took it off the MP and sent it to her live.

This did not discourage me from selling on the MP, or buying, nor should it discourage you, as it illustrates that loss is often a matter of not sending from the system and can be recovered from Unlisted, in my case, 2 out of 3 times, assuming the loud denouncer wasn't a scammer, which I don't think he was as a public figure in business. I don't suggest this is a relevant number at all, but I think a system that has served me, a willing seller, and others, willing buyers, at a price where we can meet, which is usually undermarket on commons and not some ridiculous sum on rares, is a really great tool in our gatchified market where most of us have lost more than we can recover, and have received items we actually never used.

In this history of my virtual life, having lost even 15,000 inventory items on one occasion, and numerous gatchas for inexplicable reasons, rezzed out inworld (but not those on the MP) I have only gotten the Lindens to refund one set of gatcha purchases, one time, with a message not to expect that again. I was on a sim. I played a gatcha and won 8 things. Their names and the fact of winning them was in chat with full names and prices as they always are with most well-made gatcha machines. I happened to copy that chat because that's an easier way to see what they are and loads faster than inventory does and then can make putting them on the MP later if you decide you don't want all of them.

Then I caaaarrreeefully went up to the right-hand upper side of my viewer, and accepted those 8 wins -- they stay up there until you accept them and they go into your inventory. This is why merchants tell you not to TP away from the sim until you get them safely tucked in. If you TP'd away before accepting them, that's on you. But I made sure I had them in inventory and saw them there. When I got back to my sim to sort out what I'd do with them, they were gone. I tried refreshing inventory. I tried relogging and clearing cache 3 times. They were gone. I at least had a handy list of them from chat. Knowing that particular merchant would never answer my ticket as she never had in 5 years except with the most icy disdain, I went to the Lindens, who are nicer these days than some people in SL. I thought, "you never know". A tenant told me she got back a gatcha lost in exactly this way that she could document with inworld chat and her web purchase history. The gatcha itself was returned, which is possible sometimes if you file a ticket quickly enough with Support. A Linden (or even you yourself) can go up and see your movements and TPs on the server records).

To my utter surprise, a Linden contacted me within 3 days and said he couldn't get the gatchas back to me, including a rare as it happened. They were gone. What he could do is as a courtesy this one time only is return me 8 x $50 (he's not going to return the market price of a rare, obviously). I wouldn't try this again, and I don't plan to. Maybe the same people who had gotten tickets from me for the 15,000 lost items for weeks on end felt bad -- I didn't get any compensation there, although they did change the messages on Trash for everyone in the system. No, I didn't inadvertently throw out 15,000 things, it's a more complicated story but whatever.

In general, uploading and selling gatchas is such a chore that I really have to force myself to do it but we all know they sell better on the MP than world, simply because they can be found easily. Only one big gatcha yard has used the place pages system to make the system show every single gatcha for sale, so that you can peruse the offerings and TP right to a gatcha. Really handy feature, and I *think* this was a matter of getting the Linden system, evidently in conjunction with Firestorm area search, to create this great thing. The rest can't or won't do this. (I'm sure not going to spend the time with my inworld stores.)

Why another long post from me? For posterity, help to newbies, and anthropologists studying virtual economies.

Because when socialists denounce a market that is thriving in SL merely because they routinely denounce capitalism, I speak up loud and long. It's destructive of people's livelihoods in some cases, or their compensations for expenses, and socialists shouldn't do that, ever, in quest of ideological purity. If they wish to denounce some flaw of capitalism because they hate capitalism, at least describe the flaw accurately. If you upload a gatcha in the box it came in from the merchant, there is no way for the Linden-coded system to keep selling an empty box, even if that box happens to be on copy, and the gatcha is of course on transfer. That is a built-in feature of the system that helps fireproof it. The only way for an empty box to keep on selling is if someone deliberately puts an empty plywood box labeled exactly like the original item, or an empty merchant's box on transfer. And again, that's why the lion's share of merchants either put container boxes not on transfer, or put them not on mod, so that no one can use their empty box as a re-selling gambit.

Gatcha is a market that gives a way for people who aren't programmers and who aren't graphics artists and who can't invest the cash you need to invest to start a land business or a skilled games business a way to participate in the economy and not only live off the Linden $300/wk pension if they have premium, or the kindness of strangers or sugar daddies.

The space of used items on transfer, mainly gatchas, is where you can gain from the miracle of SL, too, and not sit on the sidelines while the creators and the wealthy take home all the loot even as they embrace socialist ideals.

 

You do realize that you responded to my post, in a somewhat similar fashion, on April 22 of last year, right?
 

It's no biggie -- you say some interesting things here. I learned stuff!

But I did have a sort of weird deja vu moment when I saw it, and had to go back into the thread to make sure I wasn't imagining things.

I'll need to give some consideration, I guess, to how much of my dislike of gachas is the result of ideology, of a kind of visceral dislike of gambling, or of my embarrassed memories of that one time I really lost it on a gacha machine (the folder in my inventory containing those items is labelled "WTF Was I Thinking?" Seriously.)

 

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31 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

You do realize that you responded to my post, in a somewhat similar fashion, on April 22 of last year, right?
 

It's no biggie -- you say some interesting things here. I learned stuff!

But I did have a sort of weird deja vu moment when I saw it, and had to go back into the thread to make sure I wasn't imagining things.

I'll need to give some consideration, I guess, to how much of my dislike of gachas is the result of ideology, of a kind of visceral dislike of gambling, or of my embarrassed memories of that one time I really lost it on a gacha machine (the folder in my inventory containing those items is labelled "WTF Was I Thinking?" Seriously.)

 

Oh, indeed I do. And I decided to reiterate it and update it because who is going to scroll back and remember? If you can say something again, I can. If you can say something in a thread that has necroposted, I can answer it again for people just tuning in. It's the Internet.

My post you've helpfully re-linked to has even more practical arguments against your claim, and helpful suggestions. But I do think an ideological answer is reasonable because you don't value small or medium business and resales in your socialist vision and you could while maintaining your socialist vision. The UK has socialism and is a nation of shopkeepers.

I don't expect you to reconsider anything about your ideology or your SL practice. I do expect that I will weigh in with my concerns when yours are re-published or are visible again.

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4 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:

you don't value small or medium business and resales in your socialist vision and you could while maintaining your socialist vision. The UK has socialism and is a nation of shopkeepers.

It's always useful being informed about what I do and don't believe! Thanks!

Actually, I have nothing whatsoever against the vast majority of small and medium businesses. I like anything that produces value.

My objection to gachas -- aside from concerns about how they play into gambling addictions, and my personal embarrassment about running wild playing one once -- is that there is no necessary correlation between the price one pays for something, and its actual value. Granted that it does even out a bit over the long term -- some people will get rares their first try, and some will keep pumping money in without ever getting what they actually want -- it's really all about inflating the price of something, isn't it? If gachas weren't profitably working that way, merchants wouldn't create them.

And while I have complete sympathy with someone who puts up for sale on the MP the 32 commons that they got and don't want, in order to recoup some of their long-lost cash, those who buy gachas and resell rares are engaged in what is essentially speculation, in the hope of making additional money -- to which no actual value accrues -- by the totally artificial scarcity of the items that they are selling. This is how an item that shouldn't really cost more, in most cases, than L$250 to L$400 ends up going for L$1500 on the MP. The mechanism at work here is really no different than what happens when a cartel like OPEC decides to turn off the taps for a bit to create an artificial scarcity in something like oil.

So, yeah . . . I guess my ideology does play a role here. I don't like to see people, particularly those buying stuff on the MP who aren't even getting the "high" and the fun that come from playing a gacha, paying more for an item than it is worth merely because someone has devised an utterly artificial way of inflating the price.

Still embarrassed about that one time on that gacha machine though . . .

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2 hours ago, Rat Luv said:

The 'no devil' thing is Zyngo...there used to be a devil window that would flash up and delete 50% of your score (and an angel that would increase it by 50%), which drove people nuts, so they removed it to attract more players. But it was pointless, as you'd have to spend a billion Ls playing it to get a 100L win anyway, devil or not :S

Really don't see the appeal of gacha either...

 

Tringo was way more fun. Before they changed it, too. And Slingo. I didn't play anything else. lol

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Just now, Silent Mistwalker said:

Ah ha! That explains a lot! I grew up in a family of engineers. lol Five generations and the sixth is growing up as I speak. ☺️

Lol I am not an engineer. I just had to take that writing class for an IT major. It's essentially just about how to write manuals.

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7 minutes ago, Finite said:

Lol I am not an engineer. I just had to take that writing class for an IT major. It's essentially just about how to write manuals.

 

Careful there or I'll start calling you "The right tool for the job!" Scotty. 🤭

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Don't forget! Scotty did write the manual!

 

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1 minute ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

 

Careful there or I'll start calling you "The right tool for the job!" Scotty. 🤭

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7 hours ago, Prokofy Neva said:

What?

Don't take it up with me, take it up with lawmakers.

When you go to a casino and use their chips to gamble, it's still gambling.

Linden Dollars would be treated the same as EA's credits and Activision's tokens, should said laws come to pass.

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23 hours ago, Orwar said:

L$1,000K is hardly a serious price tag. There's people who've put up prim cubes for thousands of lindens too, that doesn't mean that 'buying plywood-textured prims on the marketplace is expensive'. Even fullperm clothes tend to cost L$250-500 depending on brand, I've bought plenty of mugs, beer bottles, and similar nicknacks for L$25-50, and furniture for no more than clothing.

I bought some full perm items inexpensively but that still doesn't take away from the beauty and super low expense of Gacha's for clubs, hang-outs, or photography.

Let's just take your 250 linden for a piece of one clothing or one piece of furniture.  Okay, at 250 per piece, that's 4 pieces for 1000 lindens.  Now, I said I spent on average 30 lindens per piece, so that's approx. 8 items per your 1.  And, if doing a big build like a club/hangout/tea room, that's 30 items at average 30 lindens a piece for 1000 lindens while your 1000 lindens buys 4 items.    How do you compare 30 items to 4 items?  You can't.  And, I mean super high quality items that are so life-like it's amazing.  

You just need to realize that people shop differently than you, Orwar.  I shop in all kinds of different ways and I know how to stretch a budget and still find great stuff.  Also, I'm bought many copy/mod items for high price tags and only used them once so what did I need copy permissions for if I only used it once?   There are only a few copy/mod items I've used more than once - not very many at all really.  

As far as you and other's thinking it's gambling, prize machines are all over the place in real life and so is a gumball machine and both you don't know what you are going to get but you get something, so I don't see it as gambling.  If only playing for the rare, that's trying to score a quick buck.  Antiques and collectibles dealers do that in real life all the time.  Plus, I think Gacha is more realistic in that you can re-sell your item like you can when one buys a real life item.  

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I think gacha not different than gaming loot boxes which considered gambling in some countries..

In those games they put random items in the box but only one item actually good / useful because of their nature (dopamine rush) it will cause addiction on player and they will keep trying.

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7 minutes ago, RunawayBunny said:

but only one item actually good

This is completely subjective with the Gacha products here in SL.  Most of the items I like are actually not the rare and many have items in which I like them all.  I find often the rare I have no interest...the commons are better, imo.  Plus, I don't play the machines.  I buy second-hand items.  

It's all opinion really.  No one forces anyone to play a Gacha machine, plus if you like Nomad for one example you take your item to terminal and exchange right there for a copy/mod version if Nomad still has their terminals up (I'm not sure on what's what with that currently).   DRD may have a similar exchange for a copy/mod terminal also.   As far as just buying/shopping in real life it's said to be an addiction to some - just shopping itself alone IS or can be an addiction.  

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3 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

No one forces anyone to play a Gacha machine

It is partially true if you like item in a gacha machine only possible way to obtain it playing game.

In online games company also says same thing.. you don't have to buy loot boxes for playing our game but truth is you will / want to play it :) if something catches your eye.

This is a dirty marketing strategy IMO.

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19 minutes ago, RunawayBunny said:

It is partially true if you like item in a gacha machine only possible way to obtain it playing game.

In online games company also says same thing.. you don't have to buy loot boxes for playing our game but truth is you will / want to play it :) if something catches your eye.

This is a dirty marketing strategy IMO.

A lot of the gacha vendors are very good creators in the game. Some of the best actually. And generally charge nearly half as much for things than other people charge with half their talent. I would hardly consider them dirty. It's a fun thing they provide to a specific group of people (myself included) who like this sort of thing.

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26 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

You just need to realize that people shop differently than you, Orwar.

   Are you honestly suggesting that you think that you know better than I do, because our opinions on gachas differ? Get off your high horse and pull your head out of your ****.

30 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Also, I'm bought many copy/mod items for high price tags and only used them once so what did I need copy permissions for if I only used it once?

   Perhaps you just need to realise that people shop differently than you do, Fairre.

27 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

This is completely subjective with the Gacha products here in SL.  Most of the items I like are actually not the rare and many have items in which I like them all.  I find often the rare I have no interest...the commons are better, imo.  Plus, I don't play the machines.  I buy second-hand items.

   So you don't even play gachas yourself. You go pick up the pieces left behind after countless people who show clear signs of gambling addictions, trying to cut their losses in a market so flooded with the off-set colours that don't appeal to them (or anyone else, aside from people with equally poor taste as yourself), that they'll often go for a fraction of what it cost to pull the lever. Yet you have the audacity to compare it with gumball machines as if it's all innocent fun. 

   Yes, I'm pitting opposites against opposites; for most people gachas aren't a threat to their economical stability, but it absolutely has the potential, just the same way lootboxes do. And it there's potential for disaster, it will happen, or rather continue to happen - I know a handful of people who left SL because the price of having a virtual life was too high, and gachas was almost without fail a part of the reason. 

   But hey, as long as Fairre can build cheap tea rooms with the draw weight to fell an ox, right?

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20 minutes ago, Orwar said:

 But hey, as long as Fairre can build cheap tea rooms with the draw weight to fell an ox, right?

First of all, the tea room/hangouts and clubs are for Dinkies and tinies.  Dinkie's have about 10,000 triangles and tinies far, far less than Dinkie's, so you are the draw weight to fell an ox with 150k to 1 million triangles and that's nude not even clothed yet.  And, that is why Dinkie's and tinies and other low triangle avatars can enjoy the higher triangle items without lag.  I have spoken about this on the forum prior.  Our low triangles allow us no lag with high triangle items that human mesh avatars have a hell of a time because of themselves.  Get off your high horse already, Orwar. 

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24 minutes ago, Orwar said:

 

   So you don't even play gachas yourself. You go pick up the pieces left behind after countless people who show clear signs of gambling addictions, trying to cut their losses in a market so flooded with the off-set colours that don't appeal to them (or anyone else, aside from people with equally poor taste as yourself), that they'll often go for a fraction of what it cost to pull the lever. Yet you have the audacity to compare it with gumball machines as if it's all innocent fun. 

 

Odd I pay half the price you do whenever I complete a set of a fatpack and end up having leftover to sell if anyone else was trying to complete a set. What a bad habit to have....

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2 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

I have spoken about this on the forum prior.

   No, really. Have you? I hadn't noticed!

   But you're totally right, let's all look like prim potatoes to accommodate poorly designed teacups. It's not like anyone gives a damn about how their avatar looks anyway, I'm sure if LL enforced dinkie avatars only, SL would be absolutely booming.

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16 minutes ago, Finite said:

Odd I pay half the price you do whenever I complete a set of a fatpack and end up having leftover to sell if anyone else was trying to complete a set. What a bad habit to have....

Yeah, I agree (whist ignoring Orwar's - hopefully - momentary ranting).  I love the Gacha shoes I found for my rez day celebrating one year - I got 10 pairs of shoes for 25 linden each.  Most shoes are 250 linden if you want different pairs.  So, instead of spending 2500 lindens for ten different pairs of shoes, I spent 250 lindens for ten REALLY CUTE pair of shoes - just absolutely darling and all colors were good, imo.  

But, speaking of addictions in general in regards to it being brought up off topic in this thread, SL shopping and SLex can be addictions as well as they release the dopamine also.  

 

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