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From the covenant:


== Linden Home Etiquette ==

Living in a community includes courtesy towards your neighbors. Here are some guidelines for etiquette in Linden Home regions:

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  *Respect your neighbors' privacy.

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Excuse me girls, but here we are really exaggerating. You can't afford to judge me or sanction me just because you peeked into my home things that (hypocritically) offended your sensitivity. First you were not invited, 2nd you were also kindly told to leave the private area. If we start by judging and criticizing it will become a stress instead of spending time in company chatting or working in your home. If you start like this ... you will end up looking at anyone with suspicion. It is true I complain of my neighbor that instead of flowers he put coffins in the garden. I was told to report it to LL but let it go, now it becomes a joke  when ask me in chat about neighbors . In the end it doesn't do anything wrong. Live and let live ..., post scriptum: it has closed doors

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1 hour ago, Leora Jacobus said:

And why do I mention childporn? Because what shocked me MOST - more than the pictures - was the teddybear!

 

I'm sorry, but seriously?? SERIOUSLY?? That is a HUGE and terribly offensive assumption. I have stuffed animals around my house, both SL and RL, and I can assure you that anything involving sexual abuse of children repulses me to my core. I work with children who are victims of unimaginably horrid acts of violence. How dare you?

Being a sex positive adult and having a teddy bear are completely unrelated. YOU are the one who jumped right to the assumption that it had some nefarious and disgusting meaning. That says more about what's in your head that theirs. 

And that line about people on the forums being okay with child porn?? You owe every single person that reads these forums an apology. What a horrible thing to say. 

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8 hours ago, Fionalein said:

You all sound pretty sure that no one accidentally could cam into /end up behind "closed doors". 

Camming into a house "by accident" is irrelevant.  All that matters is if you've followed the "behind closed doors" aspect of things.   Abnor said the following about activities behind closed doors, and I can't see how someone "maybe" seeing it by "accidental camming" is going to change things.

 

 

7 hours ago, Fox Wijaya said:

this is only true when you have done anything, in reason, to avoid others be confronted with adult content in a moderate region.
I seriously doubt that no action is taken when you have hardcore porn in your home , and visible from public land/neighbours when it is reported.

Key point is bolded.  This particualr set of porn is not "visible from public land" or even from the neighbor's house via normal viewing.  You have to actually cam past the house walls to see it.  Keeping it inside the house, is doing everything within reason to avoid others seeing it.

 

 

1 hour ago, Leora Jacobus said:

I didn't admit "desire" I was just curious how other people here felt about it. (and I didn't name names or give URLs)

I now realize that even in a case of childporn most people here would tell me:

"It is no business of your's to take notice - even less to tell authorities - shame on you for camming!"

And why do I mention childporn? Because what shocked me MOST - more than the pictures - was the teddybear!

As to the "admitted habit of peeking" - I cam as much as I like ... simply because I CAN!

If it were against the Netiquette or the TOS there would be an option in the land menue not only to hide Avatars but to hide everything that is inside the house- but there isn't!

Caming through walls is like TP or flying (or pretending you were a woman while RL you are a man) - just one of these things you can do in SL and cannot do in RL ... and people WILL do!

First off, a teddy bear in the middle of a bunch of porn pics could just mean the person is a teddy bear in SL or has a teddy bear fetish. It does not automatically imply children.  Do you have any idea how many adults in RL have teddy bears.  I know a couple of people that collect them, having well over 1-2 dozen.  Maybe only children have teddy bears in your world, but not in mine.

As to what could be seen while either accidentally or on purpose flying/walking/caming into someone's house, see my reference above to a post made by Abnor.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Leora Jacobus said:

Not a teddybear by itself - but a giant one in an empty house that's walls are plastered with hardcore porn!

 

See my previous comments about teddy bears.

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31 minutes ago, Leora Jacobus said:

Not a teddybear by itself - but a giant one in an empty house that's walls are plastered with hardcore porn!

There was (still is?) an entire adult location populated by scripted naughty teddy bears, more than one giant bear that will spank who ever sit's in its lap, and a huge number of decorative bears wearing and depicting all manner of naughty.

If their owner was into __unspeakable_actually_wrong_things__ , you probably wouldn't have been able to dismiss the porn so quickly.

A questionable juxtaposition of items is more likely to indicate their owner's interior design skills may be somewhat lacking, or they have too much random stuff and can't decide on what to have out in the limited space offered. Not that they are some kind of abhorrent deviant.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

...And that line about people on the forums being okay with child porn?? You owe every single person that reads these forums an apology. What a horrible thing to say. 

I did NOT say that. I said that I had the impression that I was supposed to ignore and leave uncommented WHATEVER I might see when camming into someones house. I just chose the example "childporn" to illustrate what this WHATEVER might include (and inspired by the teddybear which in itself is quite harmless of couse just in this CONTEXT isn't )

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2 minutes ago, Leora Jacobus said:

I did NOT say that. I said that I had the impression that I was supposed to ignore and leave uncommented WHATEVER I might see when camming into someones house. I just chose the example "childporn" to illustrate what this WHATEVER might include (and inspired by the teddybear which in itself is quite harmless of couse just in this CONTEXT isn't )

Perhaps it would be better to not go around judging people and jumping to conclusions that they are big perverts, particularly with perversion being in the eye of the beholder. There was zero reason to bring child porn into the discussion, and even less reason to imply that anyone here is OK with it. There is nothing wrong with the people you were snooping on having a teddy bear. 

Minding one's own business is the best way to be a good neighbor. Just some food for thought.

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Just now, Leora Jacobus said:

I did NOT say that. I said that I had the impression that I was supposed to ignore and leave uncommented WHATEVER I might see when camming into someones house. I just chose the example "childporn" to illustrate what this WHATEVER might include (and inspired by the teddybear which in itself is quite harmless of couse just in this CONTEXT isn't )

In this context it's extremely harmless. A teddy bear is indicative of nothing. Even the Lindens and Moles go around handing out teddy bears for god's sake.

Hardcore porn may not be your cup of tea, and that's fine. Guess what? It is mine. And I am utterly disgusted that you would take two things that I enjoy and twist them together into something so twisted and evil. 

Literally not one single person here suggested that you ignore child porn if you come across it. You have an obligation as a human being to report it if you see it. But to take something so innocuous and turn it into something so foul... that's on you, not the person who happens to enjoy porn and teddy bears. Even though you didn't name them, you are are still casting serious accusations on them. 

I still think you owe everyone here an apology for the suggestion that anyone thinks child porn shouldn't be reported no matter how you come across it. The fact is, you didn't come across it. Believe me, if you did, you wouldn't have any questions about whether it was or not. 

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2 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

... I still think you owe everyone here an apology for the suggestion that anyone thinks child porn shouldn't be reported no matter how you come across it. The fact is, you didn't come across it. Believe me, if you did, you wouldn't have any questions about whether it was or not. 

So if I get you right it is expected of me to keep quiet about ANYTHING I might see camming ....

UNLESS it were childporn ... PLUS it was PROVEN childporn ... seems so won't do!

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4 minutes ago, Leora Jacobus said:

So if I get you right it is expected of me to keep quiet about ANYTHING I might see camming ....

UNLESS it were childporn ... PLUS it was PROVEN childporn ... seems so won't do!

Yes, precisely. Child porn involves seeing children involved in sexual situations. Did you see that? No, you didn't. 

If you ever do see that, I implore you to report it immediately. 

But you didn't see that.

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Posted (edited)

OK!  Now I know how you feel about it.

I didn't complain, I didn't name names. I was starteled and didn't know what I was supposed to do.

I asked for advice and your opinions.

I didn't ask for a *****storm but that's what I got - or so I feel.

At this point this conversation is becoming unpleasant and doesen't lead any further - so I am out of it.

 

PS: I didn't insert the ***** s - they were inserted! - well well well - must get used to that.

Didn't know the word ....storm was offensive - it is even used in TV

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Just now, Leora Jacobus said:

OK!  Now I know how you feel about it.

I didn't complain, I didn't name names. I was starteled and didn't know what I was supposed to do.

I asked for advice and your opinions.

I didn't ask for a *****storm but that's what I got - or so I feel.

At this point this conversation is becoming unpleasant and doesen't lead any further - so I am out of it.

 

Being also "out of" snooping might help avoid future unpleasant conversations. Just saying. 

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56 minutes ago, Leora Jacobus said:

PS: I didn't insert the ***** s - they were inserted! - well well well - must get used to that.

Didn't know the word ....storm was offensive - it is even used in TV

The forum software scans for any characters that are on it's naughty list.  We even have a forum regular who's name gets **** out because of a set of letters in the middle of the name.  Just ignore that part.

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5 hours ago, Leora Jacobus said:

OK!  Now I know how you feel about it.

I didn't complain, I didn't name names. I was starteled and didn't know what I was supposed to do.

I asked for advice and your opinions.

I didn't ask for a *****storm but that's what I got - or so I feel.

At this point this conversation is becoming unpleasant and doesen't lead any further - so I am out of it.

 

PS: I didn't insert the ***** s - they were inserted! - well well well - must get used to that.

Didn't know the word ....storm was offensive - it is even used in TV

How did you think it was going to go since you seem to have no issue calling out issues you find with others and insult those here who simply didn't agree with you by accusing them of being ok with something so disgusting as what you brought up? I'm sorry, but sometimes the issue lies within ourselves and not everyone else around us.

it can be hard to face, but sometimes it's the truth. We all have moments like this and hopefully we learn something from them.

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8 hours ago, Leora Jacobus said:

So if I get you right it is expected of me to keep quiet about ANYTHING I might see camming ....

UNLESS it were childporn ... PLUS it was PROVEN childporn ... seems so won't do!

You did NOT see childporn........ you saw a teddybear and some porn pics.   In NO way is a teddybear and some porn pics anywhere near being childporn.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen said on these forums in a very long time.  Seriously, get over yourself.

And yes, if you are going to be camming/spying on your neighbors....remember that how they live and what they do is none of your business.  Of course if you do see ACTUAL childporn, as many have already told you....you have an obligation to report it.  I cannot believe this is even a real conversation at this point.  ><

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Posted (edited)

My concern now, after having five individuals walk into my home, at different times, and get right into my face is, how in the world is a person supposed to feel safe and comfortable if they want to spend an evening at home with their significant other?  Anybody can just come in.  Sure, if I notice them, I can eject or eject/ban, but always having to be on the lookout for these kinds of people just isn't cool.

In rl people can't just walk into your home uninvited.  I think banlines are horrible, but some way of keeping people out when you're home would be great.

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In twelve years of living in SL, that's only happened to me once. A quick ejection solved it.  Unless your home is somehow a virtual bus station for travelers, that ought to work for you too.

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8 minutes ago, Mistique Starbrook said:

My concern now, after having individuals walk into my home and get right into my face is, how in the world is a person supposed to feel safe and comfortable if they want to spend an evening at home with their significant other?  Anybody can just come in.  Sure, if I notice them, I can eject or eject/ban, but always having to be on the lookout for these kinds of people just isn't cool.

In rl people can't just walk into your home uninvited.  I think banlines are horrible, but some way of keeping people out when you're home would be great.

Saw somebody mention a tighter security system that encompasses just the house border. If it could be done, that'd be nice. insta-eject only inside the walls of the house.

Not sure if it could be done unless the Linden staff was able to shape a security zone in such a 3D way.

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26 minutes ago, s2Pandora said:

Saw somebody mention a tighter security system that encompasses just the house border. If it could be done, that'd be nice. insta-eject only inside the walls of the house.

Not sure if it could be done unless the Linden staff was able to shape a security zone in such a 3D way.

this is relatively easily doable LSL scriptwise.  Basically check if the agent position is inside a XYZ box (or an arrangement of XYZ boxes when the house is L or T shape or whichever shape)

the issue with this for the new Linden Homes parcels is the covenant requires 15 seconds warning. No insta-kill allowed. I think that it doesn't make a lot of sense really to reduce the kill zone in the 15 second warning case. Makes more sense to deploy this kinda orb on regular mainland where insta-kill is allowed

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All I'd like is to be able to have our time without worrying about someone just wandering in when we're home.

I don't care when the home is empty.  Would be a great thing if they could implement a shield or something to put up when the home is occupied.

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1 hour ago, Mistique Starbrook said:

My concern now, after having five individuals walk into my home, at different times, and get right into my face is, how in the world is a person supposed to feel safe and comfortable if they want to spend an evening at home with their significant other?  Anybody can just come in.  Sure, if I notice them, I can eject or eject/ban, but always having to be on the lookout for these kinds of people just isn't cool.

 

If you don't see them there, then how are they ruining your SL experience at the time?   As to the general concept of someone seeing you - remind yourself that it is just pixels on a screen, thus there is no real reason to get too whacked out by someone seeing you naked or having sex.  If you are using a security orb, the worst case is that someone gets to peep for 15 seconds.

There are also security systems out there that can be configured to automatically add someone to the parcel ban list if they hit the time threshold and actually get ejected.  I'm not 100 percent sure if those work on non-estate lands and they would have to be able to have their other settings comply with the LL rules - but it is something you could look in to.  An auto-ban would prevent you from having to do it if the orb ejects them and that would prevent the same person from coming back multiple times (at least, via the same account).

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8 minutes ago, Mistique Starbrook said:

All I'd like is to be able to have our time without worrying about someone just wandering in when we're home.

I don't care when the home is empty.  Would be a great thing if they could implement a shield or something to put up when the home is occupied.

I haven't tested these orbs; do they not announce when someone comes onto the parcel? If not, then hmm.... maybe something like this would help alert you when someone arrives?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Radar-Visitor-Manager-Email-Me-V64/5566259

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4 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

I haven't tested these orbs; do they not announce when someone comes onto the parcel? If not, then hmm.... maybe something like this would help alert you when someone arrives?  https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Radar-Visitor-Manager-Email-Me-V64/5566259

I use one of the (old) Connover orbs and yes I get a popup immediately if someone enters the parcel and I have the option to manually eject, ban, or allow.  It's actually very handy for adding new people to the list. One click and they are added, no messing with notecards or anything.

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13 minutes ago, Mistique Starbrook said:

I don't care when the home is empty.  Would be a great thing if they could implement a shield or something to put up when the home is occupied.

the shield is banlines.  LL decided no banlines on the new Linden Homes continent because helicopters

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