furniture "extras" not rezzing for others

[deesue Parx]

I have an issue with most all of my furniture that rezzes props, A kitchen that rezzes food and utensils, a dining table that rezzes place mats, candles, etc.. a bed that rezzes extra props, tables, pillows, etc. All are set to security setting ALL, menu ALL. I have AVSitter set on my land. If I use the equipment it works perfectly, and anyone else can use it at that time too without problems. If I am off sim and someone else tries to use the sink, rezz a prop, whatever. nothing, they get the animations but no props. As soon as I show up.. then it works for them too. I am so frustrated as I have my land set to public use and yet the public cant use them. The three that I refer to are all from different makers.  Does anyone have a clue what I need to do to solve this?? 

[Pamela Galli]

This sounds like a very ancient bug I encountered probably ten years ago.  A landlord who put my kitchen in her rental homes discovered that the props rezzed only when she was on the sim. I assumed the bug was fixed since I have not had any more reports. 

[Rolig Loon]

It's not a bug.  This is expected behavior.  All of the LSL functions that depend on permission from the landowner have a similar note in the LSL wiki to advise scripters and those who buy objects (like parcel radios and TVs) that use those functions:

• Function WILL NOT work on group owned land if the owner of the object where this function resides is not currently online and connected to the sim (although now seems to be working for land owner on privately owned land even when the owner is not around).
• These limitation can be overcome by deeding the object to a group the object owner is one of the owners of.

So, if have deeded your parcel to a group and you are in world, the script will work the way you expect.  Once you leave, however, the script cannot find you to get implicit permission to work.  If deed the object to the group, it will work just fine.  That's because the group has become the object's owner, and a group cannot leave SL.  

Edited April 12, 2019 by Rolig Loon

[deesue Parx]

Oh thank you Rolig. The land is deeded so I will deed this furniture. Thank you so much. Makes total sense :)

[Pamela Galli]

Ah that clears up an old mystery. I didn’t even realize no trans things could be deeded to a group.

[deesue Parx]

not oh now I went to my land. which as I said is deeded to a group. and in owner setting for group its says allow objects to be deeded to land. but on the land settings .. when I look the box allow deed to group is unchecked and greyed out so I cant change it.  I edited the furniture and see "share" next to the word deed. Does that mean it is deeded? It still says me as owner.. not the group.  just logged on alt and she cant rezz while I am there,, grr.. now I don't know how to set up land settings for deed to group. sighs

Edited April 12, 2019 by deesue Parx

[Rolig Loon]

20 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said:

I didn’t even realize no trans things could be deeded to a group.

I didn't mean to imply that, Pam.  You can set a no trans object to a group, but not deed it.  So, if you buy a no trans radio, you won't be able to do this trick.  It will work as long as you are in the region but not when you leave, because you can't deed it.  In the case of your dining room sets, it's not really a problem most of the time, because people won't usually be in your house, using your dining set while you are not around. If a person wants to use your dining set in a public restaurant, however, he really only has two choices: (1) Get a copy of your set that does have transfer perms or (2) Set permissions in the parcel to allow anyone to rez objects (not just the group).  There are drawbacks to both options.  You probably don't want copies of your products running around with both copy AND transfer perms and the buyer probably doesn't want his land to be a sandbox. Someone is going to have to compromise, or you'll have to rethink how your product works (not a pleasant proposition).

Edited April 12, 2019 by Rolig Loon

[deesue Parx]

Oh dear.. neither a viable option for me. So this is not solvable. 

[Rolig Loon]

5 minutes ago, deesue Parx said:

when I look the box allow deed to group is unchecked and greyed out so I cant change it.  I edited the furniture and see "share" next to the word deed. Does that mean it is deeded? It still says me as owner.. not the group. 

Aha... you typed that while I was responding to Pam, so read my reply to her question.  It's the same issue you are dealing with.  If your object is no-trans, you can't deed it because that is a transfer of ownership.

A creator can decide to sell some products in a Copy Only version and a Transfer Only version, so that you can do one of the other, but not both.  You may be able to ask the creators of your objects whether they can offer you that sort of an option.

[Pamela Galli]

1 hour ago, Rolig Loon said:

I didn't mean to imply that, Pam.  You can set a no trans object to a group, but not deed it.  So, if you buy a no trans radio, you won't be able to do this trick.  It will work as long as you are in the region but not when you leave, because you can't deed it.  In the case of your dining room sets, it's not really a problem most of the time, because people won't usually be in your house, using your dining set while you are not around. If a person wants to use your dining set in a public restaurant, however, he really only has two choices: (1) Get a copy of your set that does have transfer perms or (2) Set permissions in the parcel to allow anyone to rez objects (not just the group).  There are drawbacks to both options.  You probably don't want copies of your products running around with both copy AND transfer perms and the buyer probably doesn't want his land to be a sandbox. Someone is going to have to compromise, or you'll have to rethink how your product works (not a pleasant proposition).

Thanks, that explains why I never can remember the specifics of that “bug”. And I am sure to run across it again at some point.

Edited April 12, 2019 by Pamela Galli