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Should it be illegal for SL residents (and bannable) to falsely claim to be in the  (RL) military, in text and in voice?

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2 minutes ago, wolfshanty said:

Should it be illegal for SL residents (and bannable) to falsely claim to be in the military, in text and in voice?

yes it should.. as it also should be illegal to use non real names...

oh wait... it's Second Life...eh.. i review my remark and change it to a NO ..

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Is it smart for SL residents to believe anything anyone says about another persons RL? 

 

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Besides, how is valor being stolen? One does not take valor from one person and claim it for oneself by misrepresenting oneself on the internet.

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3 minutes ago, Talligurl said:

Is it smart for SL residents to believe anything anyone says about another persons RL? 

 

Probably not.

But as far as I know, lying to others about being rich, young, slim, single/married, stunnigly attractive, phenomenally well hung, a successful DJ or a tough biker in RL isn't a criminal act.

Whereas, if I was to walk around a street in the US wearing marine gear, I might be challenged and rightly arrested or at least insulted/shunned if it could be proved I was a phoney. So just wondered, why is it so different if someone gets on voice in an infohub and tells everyone they're in the forces, when they clearly don't have a clue what they're talking about?

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Just now, wolfshanty said:

if I was to walk around a street in the US wearing marine gear

That is the thing, the misuse of the uniform, if you walk up to someone and simply claim to be a veteran you will not be arrested, unless you provide false physical evidence there will not be any crime. A person saying things in SL about their RL is not providing false physical evidence.

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11 minutes ago, wolfshanty said:

Should it be illegal for SL residents (and bannable) to falsely claim to be in the  (RL) military, in text and in voice?

No, why?

- The military is not on a higher stand than anything else. There is no objective reason why saying that you are or have been in the military should be "illegal" (I assume you mean against the ToS), but claiming to have any other occupation is okay. Especially when you consider, that claiming to have a professional medical background could actually have some impact on others, while claiming you work for the military is at worst just the base of a sob story or extended bragging.

- Anyone can claim anything within a realm of anonymity. If you blindly believe everything people say, thats your personal problem and you should consider reducing the trust you give strangers on the internet.

- Judgeing if someone says the truth of not would be impossible. How would you verify, if someone is legitimately talking about their work experiance, without requesting to intrude their privacy? Not worth it.

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21 minutes ago, wolfshanty said:

Whereas, if I was to walk around a street in the US wearing marine gear, I might be challenged and rightly arrested or at least insulted/shunned if it could be proved I was a phoney.

Nope.  Apparently you haven't noticed how many people wear discarded/donated military fatigues these days - especially among the homeless in my metro area (that stuff makes for good winter clothing).  Many years back, it was a bigger issue, but not so much anymore since it has become more common.

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23 minutes ago, wolfshanty said:

Should it be illegal for SL residents (and bannable) to falsely claim to be in the  (RL) military, in text and in voice?

How on earth someone can come to this idiotic conclusion is beyond me.

Forces personnel are not on some higher plane, they're institutionalised by being told what to do from the second their morning wake-up sounds until a slighter higher ranking man with a loud voice shouts "lights out!". They volunteer to be there, commonly because they're not suited to a vocation within the normal world where they would have to think for themselves and make decisions. If they subsequently get sent to a war zone and 'fight for their country', then good for them. But anything negative which transpires may have them pondering upon their initial decision to enlist. During times of war when compulsory call-up may exist then that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Common people need people who cannot cope in normal society and who offer themselves up for such services, but don't for one fleeting second hold them in any higher regard than any other normal person in the world.

Americans seem to treat forces personnel like some special superior being. They most certainly are not.

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31 minutes ago, wolfshanty said:

if I was to walk around a street in the US wearing marine gear, I might be challenged and rightly arrested or at least insulted/shunned

Looks to me like you are confusing impersonating an officer with wearing clothing bought at army surpluses which carry more than just army "issue".

ETA: I'm a civilian and have owned a naval flight jacket legally purchased at a local army surplus store for decades. I've also purchased other things besides clothing. All perfectly legal.

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Having never been in the military, I did some research on Stolen Valor.  Even in RL, the law is related to 'military decoration and medals'. Thus, in RL, I could tell everyone that I was in the military, and make up all sorts of stories about my service, and as long as I did not claim to have received any special decoration or medal, I would not be breaking the law. While it might be despicable to folks, especially those that have served, telling the lie is not a crime or punishable in any way. 

Thus how can you possibly think that someone shouldn't be able to claim military service in SL? 

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15 hours ago, wolfshanty said:

Should it be illegal for SL residents (and bannable) to falsely claim to be in the  (RL) military, in text and in voice?

Who cares? Most of SL's users are outside the US ... you don't make friends claiming that. 

15 hours ago, Talligurl said:

Besides, how is valor being stolen? One does not take valor from one person and claim it for oneself by misrepresenting oneself on the internet.

it is one of those US thingies ;)

15 hours ago, wolfshanty said:

Whereas, if I was to walk around a street in the US wearing marine gear, I might be challenged and rightly arrested or at least insulted/shunned if it could be proved I was a phoney. 

Your country your rules, however said marine service holds copyright to a working camo pattern (MARPAT) it denies access to your own other miltary forces... because the image of the marine corps is more important than the lives of their fellow US soldiers,

Sorry if in mine eyes there is no "valor" left to steal in that case ;) 

 

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This reminds me of the virgin thief years back in SL.

It was a dark time on the grid I tell you...Someone was going around stealing everyone's virginity..

I heard the guy is still on the loose..

Those few of us survivors left have been on eggshells for years.. Years I say!! \o/

 

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1 hour ago, wolfshanty said:

Should it be illegal for SL residents (and bannable) to falsely claim to be in the  (RL) military, in text and in voice?

Are you really a wolf? And do you live in a shanty?

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I think it’s a great idea! Should be easy to implement too. LL just needed access to the complete service records of everyone who has been in the military to verify against. Then we need to make sure LL has every SL user’s correct name, DOB, social security number, etc. so that LL can cross verify those claims and avoid getting caught up in problems with people having the same name. And, of course, everyone will need to supply identification when registering so we can make sure they provide their correct identification info. 

Then we will need some method of monitoring or collecting reports whenever someone says they were in the military and they might not be. 

What could possibly go wrong?

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6 minutes ago, Skell Dagger said:

Are you really a wolf? And do you live in a shanty?

Yes. Here's me in a sexy pose.

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No, no shanty. Just a den. Come on in, it's cozy inside.

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17 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

This reminds me of

A while back i met this guy, he and I hit it off a while, and we even did the Mama Allpa thing and had a baby, he and i broke up but i kept the baby, eventually I got the idea of having the baby grow up and finding someone to RP our child. So one day i was talking to my SL son, about his SL Dad who had never even met him, and son came up with a idea, which i thought was pretty funny. he would IM my ex, pretending to be an IRS agent, and telling him he was going to be audited. I figured hey it is obviously a joke right, everyone will get a laugh out of it.

Oh no, ex boyfriend takes it all personal threatens me with unfriending me if I ever let that happen again. I went ahead and saved him the  trouble right then and their. So anyway, impersonating and IRS agent,  way worse than impersonation a soldier..

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1 hour ago, Candice LittleBoots said:

Forces personnel are not on some higher plane, they're institutionalised by being told what to do from the second their morning wake-up sounds until a slighter higher ranking man with a loud voice shouts "lights out!". They volunteer to be there, commonly because they're not suited to a vocation within the normal world where they would have to think for themselves and make decisions. If they subsequently get sent to a war zone and 'fight for their country', then good for them. But anything negative which transpires may have them pondering upon their initial decision to enlist.

How would you know what motivates a person to volunteer for the forces or what they think subsequently?  Setting aside my late parents who can't answer questions about their service, I could ask the servicemen I know, who do have brains and know what it's about, but they'd say you're talking out of your arse.

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29 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

Yes. Here's me in a sexy pose.

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I see you have mastered the art of Tail blocking,which is taught only from master Aldo of the great northern Tundra... There is no mistaking that indent in the tail of his students..

The mark of Aldo!

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2 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I see you have mastered the art of Tail blocking,which is taught only from master Aldo of the great northern Tundra... There is no mistaking that indent in the tail of his students..

The mark of Aldo!

:ph34r:

 

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wolfshanty, it sounds like you live in an area of the U.S. where the military is highly respected and where society has afforded them benefits not provided to other typical jobs in the U.S.? I have to agree that jobs where an individual puts their life on the line for others are more noble and I'm glad society wants to honor this, despite certain individuals not deserving it or taking advantage of it, and despite my feelings about the unnecessary wars the elite involve us in.
And of course some non-military people will attempt to take advantage of the power others have in any way they can, and so claim to be a military person for that reason. Pretty disgusting :(

However, SL is a fantasy world, and not much is banned here because it would be too difficult & costly to sort out, and people have different norms about what abuse actually is.
 
There's a percentage of the population that doesn't like any kind of societal norms imposed on them -- it appears they have adolescent traumas they've yet to solve -- you know how adolescents act as they attempt to develop independence from their parents...how they want to oppose any limits placed on them? These people hang out in unusual numbers at the welcome centers, unfortunately. Best to just avoid those areas. They're feeding off you -- they want to bug you -- for them when they annoy you it enhances their sense of being independent...of being the individual they haven't yet developed in any world.

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Are they American? If so take it with a pinch of salt. America's military must be seriously overflowing because EVERY guy who lives in America is apparently a hardened marine who has seen war. 

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10 minutes ago, ItHadToComeToThis said:

Are they American? If so take it with a pinch of salt. America's military must be seriously overflowing because EVERY guy who lives in America is apparently a hardened marine who has seen war. 

Getting divorced from your former homecoming sweetheart IS war ;)

...

Wait this thread was actually started by this guy?

https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/427734-second-lifes-alright-for-fighting/

So members of the USMC think it's OK to punch club owners in the face now? Hint @wolfshanty the USMC is no 1%er MC, those 2 letters are just a coincidence...

 

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