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Hi, everyone

I'm a a new player and a premium member and I own a 1024m² land (mainland.) In order to get more prims I upped my tier for an additional 512m² land ($4USD per month.) I had to abandon my previous land so I could find both lands on the same sim (that's a requirement, right? I don't want the space, just the prims.) So I bought both (1024m² and 512m²) on the same sim (they're not side by side) and deeded them both to a group I created (I had to add a friend since you can't have a solo group, lol.)  Now I have more prims just like I wanted and this is what is showing in my acc:

Allowed holdings:    1,536.00 square meters
Current holdings:    0.00 square meters
Available for purchase:    139.00 square meters
Peak square meter usage:    1,536.00 square meters
Total monthly cost:    USD 4.00

Land Use Fees:                      

  Current Fees  Estimated Fees
Square meters owned:  0 0
Square meters donated 1397     1397    
Premium Bonus in Square Meters 1024     1024    
Paid Tier Level:  512 512
Available Square Meters:  139 139
Monthly Cost:*   USD 4.00 USD 4.00

1) I supposed those extra 139m² are the 10% group bonus, right? Should I buy another land up to 139m² will it up my tier to the next one ($7USD per month - 1024m²) or nothing will change?

2) In order to get the prims from this new land it will have to be in the same sim as the others, right?

3) Since I donated both lands why the square meters donated shows 1397 and not 1024+512=1536? Did I do something wrong? Or am I reading/understanding this all wrong?

Thanks in advance for your help.
 

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31 minutes ago, LeoAtreides said:

1) I supposed those extra 139m² are the 10% group bonus, right? Should I buy another land up to 139m² will it up my tier to the next one ($7USD per month - 1024m²) or nothing will change?

2) In order to get the prims from this new land it will have to be in the same sim as the others, right?

3) Since I donated both lands why the square meters donated shows 1397 and not 1024+512=1536? Did I do something wrong? Or am I reading/understanding this all wrong?

Thanks in advance for your help.
 

1. You can buy up to an additional 139m² without it adding to your tier fees. (But you can do better; see below.)
2. Yep, prims are only shared among parcels with the same owner within a region as you correctly surmise.
3. So you donated the land to group along with the necessary tier contribution, and that takes only the minimum amount of tier needed to cover the land, leaving the rest in your individual account. That's how you still have 139m² "available" to buy land as an individual.

If you contribute that 139m² to the group (using the "Land" tab of the Group's info window), it will consume the entire 1536m² as "Square meters donated" to the group. And then the group will get its 10% bonus on that additional contribution, too, so then the group will have 153m² of tier available for additional land.

Because land comes in 16m² chunks, you can only actually buy 144m² -- and you'll want to be careful to use the "Buy for Group" button in About Land rather than needing to tier-up to the next level buying it as an individual without benefit of the group bonus. 

(It's confusing because you can do it two ways: buy the land as an individual and then deed it to group, or first contribute the tier to the group and then buy the land for the group -- but only that latter way lets you use the whole 10% bonus for the full area of the purchase.)

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36 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

If you contribute that 139m² to the group (using the "Land" tab of the Group's info window), it will consume the entire 1536m² as "Square meters donated" to the group. And then the group will get its 10% bonus on that additional contribution, too, so then the group will have 153m² of tier available for additional land.

Thank you, Qie! I just did it and now it shows: 

 

Current Fees  Estimated Fees
Square meters owned:  0 0
Square meters donated 1536 1536
Premium Bonus in Square Meters 1024     1024    
Paid Tier Level:  512 512
Available Square Meters:  0 0
Monthly Cost:*   USD 4.00 USD 4.00

Oh, now it shows "Land Available: 153m²" in the "Land" tab of the Group's info window.

 

36 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

Because land comes in 16m² chunks, you can only actually buy 144m² -- and you'll want to be careful to use the "Buy for Group" button in About Land rather than needing to tier-up to the next level buying it as an individual without benefit of the group bonus. 

Just to see if I got it right. I need to use the "Buy for Group" button instead of buying as an individual and then deeding it to the group, right? This way my tier won't go to the next level, right? I just find a piece of land for sale and click to buy it and choose "Buy for Group?"

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Yep, you got it.

If there's any abandoned land on the sim, you might submit a support ticket asking for exactly 144 sq.m. to be set for sale to you, explicitly asking them to choose wherever they want to carve it out. It may not work, but on the other hand, it could be a win-win if they can use that to tidy-up some stray corners somewhere.

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On 3/13/2019 at 5:11 PM, Qie Niangao said:

Yep, you got it.

If there's any abandoned land on the sim, you might submit a support ticket asking for exactly 144 sq.m. to be set for sale to you, explicitly asking them to choose wherever they want to carve it out. It may not work, but on the other hand, it could be a win-win if they can use that to tidy-up some stray corners somewhere.

Thank you so much, Qie. I opened a ticked and wrote exactly what you just said. And in about 4 days they replied with a link to a piece of land for me to buy and the best part is that they carved it out right next to the one where my house is which made my land larger and a bonus of 49 more prims.

But lucky me I read the screen before I bought it because it said it would up my tier to 7USD so I remembered you said I had to buy it using the "Buy For Group" button in order to maintain my current 4USD tier. And that did it. Thank you again, Qie.

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On 3/13/2019 at 12:25 PM, LeoAtreides said:

  a group I created (I had to add a friend since you can't have a solo group, lol.)  

I just noticed the bolded part.  Most of us will recommend creating an alt account and adding that account to the group for the 2-person rule --- because Drama Happens.

Additionally, to further protect yourself in the event that you lose access to your main account for some reason, that alt account should also have the 'owner' role.  

If you decide to have other people in your land group, it is highly recommended that you do not ever make anyone else an 'owner' of the group.  The Owner role cannot be revoked. 

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When you press the check box for allow deed to group , There is another check box that says " Owner makes contribution with Deed ". What does that mean.

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5 hours ago, JazzFire said:

When you press the check box for allow deed to group , There is another check box that says " Owner makes contribution with Deed ". What does that mean.

When you deed the land to the group, the group must have enough tier from members to cover the cost of the land. By checking the box, the owner of the group contributes tier to the group. You can find the tier information in the group information window.

Linden homes don't allow deeding the land to a group, and premium tier means nothing on private estates, so the check box can be ignored on those.

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