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How are we supposed to turn off parcel lines with the latest update that includes the new Environment Settings?

My first impression of the new settings is they are a bit freakish. Everything that has any brightness or glow to it is now far too bright. Seeing the parcel lines never used to bother me but now they cast a massive red or green glow over everything.

In older version I remember you could just go to the Advanced menu and turn the parcel lines off.  That option seems to be missing.  I checked preferences too and nothing there.

I'm all for Second Life improving the Environment Settings but I don't like that feeling of nausea I now experience everywhere I navigate in-world (in Shared Environment or not).

If any of you know how to fix this please let me know. Thank you.

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Official Linden Lab Viewer? Firestorm Viewer? Catznip Viewer? Kokua Viewer? Black Dragon Viewer? Let's start at the very beginning so we all can get an idea what you're talking about?

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11 hours ago, Jaauuwn said:

How are we supposed to turn off parcel lines with the latest update that includes the new Environment Settings?

My first impression of the new settings is they are a bit freakish. Everything that has any brightness or glow to it is now far too bright. Seeing the parcel lines never used to bother me but now they cast a massive red or green glow over everything.

In older version I remember you could just go to the Advanced menu and turn the parcel lines off.  That option seems to be missing.  I checked preferences too and nothing there.

I'm all for Second Life improving the Environment Settings but I don't like that feeling of nausea I now experience everywhere I navigate in-world (in Shared Environment or not).

If any of you know how to fix this please let me know. Thank you.

Go to the "World" menu and select the "Show..." option. That will turn on/off display of parcel lines and ban lines. I don't remember a time when that option was in the "Advanced" menu; I've always seen it in the "World" menu.

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Thanks Theresa. That's correct. I mis-remembered where option was.

Anyways the new Enhanced Environment Project (EEP) settings are still insane. At night time everything looks like you are in the middle of the Vegas strip and during the day it feels like you are on LSD (or at least what I imagine that to be like).

I went back to Social Island just to confirm it wasn't something on my parcel and got plenty of confirmation that's not the case.

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Alyona,

I am referring to the Official Linden Lab Viewer and their new EEP (Environmental Enhancement Project) which apparently was originally supposed to allow you to make it rain or snow in your own parcel which is not possible yet but I believe was one of Linden Labs original intentions. In any case it seems half-baked but I found another forum discussion after the fact which specifically addresses this.

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I'm not seeing any oddness rendering property lines on the EEP viewer.

Can you post an image of what you see & give the location?

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You said you went to Social Island.
Using the shared environment on Social Island, the EEP viewer does render that environment/windlight slightly lighter then the default LL viewer, but it still looks fine to me.
The legacy windlights will never be a 100% identical match when converted over to an EEP environment but they are pretty close.

EEP viewer Second Life Release 6.1.0.524670 (64bit)

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Default release viewer: Second Life Release 6.1.0.524670 (64bit): 

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On 3/10/2019 at 11:57 PM, Jaauuwn said:

Alyona,

I am referring to the Official Linden Lab Viewer and their new EEP (Environmental Enhancement Project) which apparently was originally supposed to allow you to make it rain or snow in your own parcel which is not possible yet but I believe was one of Linden Labs original intentions. In any case it seems half-baked but I found another forum discussion after the fact which specifically addresses this.

Try the Second Life EEP Viewer (you can get to it through Downloads via the link in the More Viewers section). The official LL viewer isn't set up for EEP yet. That said, the Social Islands look the pretty much the same to me (Firestorm viewer) as in Whirly's second picture. I didn't try turning off Advanced Lighting, but it's too late at night for me to log in again.

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On 3/11/2019 at 9:15 PM, Parhelion Palou said:

Try the Second Life EEP Viewer (you can get to it through Downloads via the link in the More Viewers section). The official LL viewer isn't set up for EEP yet. That said, the Social Islands look the pretty much the same to me (Firestorm viewer) as in Whirly's second picture. I didn't try turning off Advanced Lighting, but it's too late at night for me to log in again.

Whatever Second Life automatically installed it described itself as something like the Second Life EEP Viewer with the little pop up dialog explaining what it was. All of a sudden I had menu options I had not seen before such as new environment settings. Unfortunately as well everything suddenly looked ridiculous and that which used to be a nice pleasant sight now burnt out my retinas.  This is what Social Island now looks like to me.

 

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I realize this could be because the region I am in is not EEP enabled yet. The viewer I was and am using is an Official Linden Lab Viewer but it is one of their experimental versions, not the (Default) Official Linden Lab Viewer. When using the default viewer it was literally crashing every 5 minutes that after filing numerous JIRA reports they recommended I use their experimental viewer and everything has otherwise been fine since then. It's been over a year since so I must of forgotten I was using the experimental version.

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At Social Island, is this what you see when "Use Shared Environment" is ticked under World (top menu bar) -> Environment -> Use shared environment?

I'm not seeing it like in your image for any shader settings.

In the top menu bar of the viewer, go to Help -> About Second Life.
Click the "Copy to clipboard" button & paste all your system information here.

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11 hours ago, Whirly Fizzle said:

At Social Island, is this what you see when "Use Shared Environment" is ticked under World (top menu bar) -> Environment -> Use shared environment?

I'm not seeing it like in your image for any shader settings.

In the top menu bar of the viewer, go to Help -> About Second Life.
Click the "Copy to clipboard" button & paste all your system information here.

Yes. This is what I see when using the shared environment. I had also previously reset all preferences to 'Recommended Settings'. Here is my system information:

Second Life Release 6.1.1.525044 (64bit)
Release Notes

You are at 139.6, 109.2, 45.6 in Social Island 5 located at sim10111.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.48.177:13011)
SLURL: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Social Island 5/140/109/46
(global coordinates 262284.0, 272749.0, 45.6)
Second Life Server 19.01.25.523656
Release Notes

CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (4000 MHz)
Memory: 16384 MB
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.13.6 Darwin 17.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 17.7.0: Thu Dec 20 21:47:19 PST 2018; root:xnu-4570.71.22~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon R9 M395X OpenGL Engine

OpenGL Version: 2.1 ATI-1.68.21

Window size: 2543x1313
Font Size Adjustment: 96pt
UI Scaling: 1
Draw distance: 128m
Bandwidth: 3000kbit/s
LOD factor: 1.125
Render quality: 3
Advanced Lighting Model: Disabled
Texture memory: 512MB
VFS (cache) creation time: November 14 2017 02:14:01

J2C Decoder Version: KDU v7.10.4
Audio Driver Version: FMOD Ex 4.44.64
Dullahan: 1.1.1080 / CEF: 3.3325.1750.gaabe4c4 / Chromium: 65.0.3325.146
LibVLC Version: 2.2.8
Voice Server Version: Not Connected
Packets Lost: 1/27215 (0.0%)
March 16 2019 15:27:36

 

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I'm unable to test on Mac.

I think the best thing to do is to file a Linden Lab JIRA issue.
Make sure you put that image taken at Social Island & your system information on the JIRA.

The shared environment at Social Island should not look like that, with ALM enabled or disabled.

How to file a JIRA issue: https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/how-to-report-a-bug-r224/

 

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On 3/16/2019 at 7:46 PM, Whirly Fizzle said:

I think the best thing to do is to file a Linden Lab JIRA issue.

Thanks for suggestions Whirly. I'll try filing a JIRA issue for this.

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6 hours ago, RowanRiverSong said:

Can anyone tell me why now the stars in the night sky look  like boxes?  Is there anyway to fix that? 

The large boxy stars (white if you have ALM disabled & black if you have ALM enabled) are the result of using a "legacy" (ie non-EEP) viewer after the regions all moved over to EEP support.

If you are a LL viewer user, switch over to using the LL EEP-RC viewer & the stars will look normal again: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Alternate_Viewers

If you are using a TPV, you may need to wait a while before there is a viewer release with EEP support.

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21 minutes ago, RowanRiverSong said:

Thanks . I'm using the latest Firestorm viewer.  I thought it was EEP but maybe not

 

 

NOT :D  

Patience or switch to the EEP viewer from The Lab. Those are your choices. 

Better yet, pick a nice Windlight setting with NO STARS and just leave that as your Windlight setting. 

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9 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:

NOT :D  

Patience or switch to the EEP viewer from The Lab. Those are your choices. 

Better yet, pick a nice Windlight setting with NO STARS and just leave that as your Windlight setting. 

This.

Stars are overrated and you only notice the problem when you look up. Hahaha (And unless you really need RLV, the Official Viewer is a good viewer, actually-used features of TPVs notwithstanding, of course.)

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I'm on the newest Firestorm Viewer and where I live the sand is super bright.  I don't think this is limited to just the second life viewer.  My husband is also on Firestorm and sees the sand super bright where we live.  We constantly keep our settings on midday just to have a normal look to things.

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On 4/11/2019 at 9:53 AM, Alyona Su said:

This.

Stars are overrated and you only notice the problem when you look up. Hahaha (And unless you really need RLV, the Official Viewer is a good viewer, actually-used features of TPVs notwithstanding, of course.)

That is only viable if you're on Windows or OSX. 

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2 hours ago, Solar Legion said:

That is only viable if you're on Windows or OSX. 

That's so true. I mean, imagine the possibilities if the Commodore 64 and Amiga were supported, know what I mean? :D

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As amusing a bit of humor as that was, Alyona ... There actually are users on Linux. We have to wait on TPVs to update.

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