animats 1,978 Posted February 7 (edited) For a while, some parcels with EEP sim servers and classic viewers were stuck at a fixed time. I saw this at Vallone, which was running a Blue Steel server. Yesterday, Vallone was restarted. It's now running RC Blue Steel 19.02.01.523. Now there's a day/night cycle, but it's out of sync with the neighboring regions. At 12:10 PST, which is also Linden time, the sun direction is <-0.48082, 0.00000, -0.87682>. Sun way below the ground. Region has a day cycle named "Vallone". Across the street, in Kama Center, the sun direction is <0.80100, -0.16899, 0.57432>. Sun in the sky. Region has a day cycle of "Use Second Life default." It's not the viewer; the sun direction comes from LSL, which is viewer independent. Edited February 7 by animats Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jules Catlyn 581 Posted February 7 Maybe they are just still tinkering with it and it is a work in progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
animats 1,978 Posted February 10 Did the Drivers of SL run today. Mainland regions way out of sync. Every 10 seconds of flight, a huge environment change. Day, night, cloudy, sun zipping across the sky. This looks awful. Mainland needs consistent EEP settings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TechDave 72 Posted February 10 I seen a notice on SL Drivers group about an hour prior to drive event. They said SL was “having problems” gridwide and event was in question. I had RL keeping me away, don’t know if event went or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasterscan 399 Posted February 10 (edited) Until they finally kill the goose that laid the golden egg they wont be happy at the lab Edited February 10 by rasterscan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fionalein 4,781 Posted February 10 (edited) I guess this is way back on the priority list... IMHO fixing those lost inventories comes first. (and also my guess what was really the biggest problem for the event, you cannot drive when your ride is not available) Edited February 10 by Fionalein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rider Linden 397 Posted February 15 The legacy Windlight regions calculate time a little differently than the new EEP regions so they will not always sync up correctly across the region boundary. Since we scatter the RC regions around the grid you are likely to cross from a release region (still on Windlight) into a Bluesteel or LeTigra region (using EEP). So the apparent time of day may change. As more regions are converted you will see fewer and fewer of these drastic changes in time of day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christi Maeterlinck 6 Posted March 23 This is AWFUL!!!!! The am/midday/pm/midnight settings are fine, but the default estate time is a) stationary b) with the sun about to set, or maybe just risen, in the SOUTH. You had a perfectly sensible Windlight system and now its ruined Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whirly Fizzle 4,799 Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Christi Maeterlinck said: This is AWFUL!!!!! The am/midday/pm/midnight settings are fine, but the default estate time is a) stationary b) with the sun about to set, or maybe just risen, in the SOUTH. You had a perfectly sensible Windlight system and now its ruined Which region are you seeing this on? Which viewer are you using? Help -> About Second Life / Viewer name 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christi Maeterlinck 6 Posted March 23 Actually, what's happening is that the sun is circling about 20 degrees above the horizon, right round the horizon, rather than rising in the East and setting in the West as it has for the last 12 years. This is true of a) the latest Firestorm viewer b) the latest official Linden Lab viewer c) the Linden Lab EEP release candidate viewer. I am seeing this on FAERUN; other people here see it too. I have World/Region Details/Environment using Day Cycle selected as always. When I try to select SL Default, I get this: http://prntscr.com/n1uw2a (Windlight settings couldn’t be applied: the Windlight settings were empty or not well-formed) Rocko tried to advise but in the end, could only suggest using c) above: which makes no difference. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whirly Fizzle 4,799 Posted March 25 (edited) Ok I went to FAERUN. Something is wrong with the environment there but I'm not sure what. What you see on a legacy (pre-EEP) viewer should match what you see on an EEP viewer when viewing the region windlight/shared environment. I'm seeing 2 totally different things on a legacy & the EEP viewer - not even close. Both viewers seem to be seeing an entirely different region windlight/environment. When it's day time on legacy, it's pitch black night on EEP. What is the day cycle you currently have set on FAERUN? Is it custom? EEP shows "Default" for region environment: https://prnt.sc/n2nce2 There is no way to snag a region day cycle on either viewer. Best I could do is snaffle the data from the caps Incase this changes again... 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</map> <key>name</key> <string>Default</string> <key>tracks</key> <array> <array> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>1775631332</string> </map> </array> <array> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>3865614805</string> </map> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0.125</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>329194350</string> </map> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0.25</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>2576872064</string> </map> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0.375</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>3441212302</string> </map> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0.5</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>3876434132</string> </map> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0.625</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>3438697971</string> </map> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0.75</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>508764414</string> </map> <map> <key>key_keyframe</key> <real>0.875</real> <key>key_name</key> <string>1914769471</string> </map> </array> <array/> <array/> <array/> </array> <key>type</key> <string>daycycle</string> </map> <key>day_hash</key> <integer>668435909</integer> <key>day_length</key> <integer>14400</integer> <key>day_offset</key> <integer>57600</integer> <key>env_version</key> <integer>3</integer> <key>is_default</key> <boolean>0</boolean> <key>parcel_id</key> <integer>-1</integer> <key>region_id</key> <uuid>1723b9ef-e2ee-49f7-b253-8fc938b91534</uuid> <key>track_altitudes</key> <array> <real>1000</real> <real>2000</real> <real>3000</real> </array> </map> <key>success</key> <boolean>1</boolean> </map> </llsd> @Rider Linden Edited March 25 by Whirly Fizzle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whirly Fizzle 4,799 Posted March 25 On 3/23/2019 at 5:56 PM, Christi Maeterlinck said: When I try to select SL Default, I get this: http://prntscr.com/n1uw2a (Windlight settings couldn’t be applied: the Windlight settings were empty or not well-formed) Yeah you can't use this setting any more on a legacy viewer on an EEP region. I think this is expected behaviour but I'm not sure. I get the same error on the default LL viewer: Second Life Release 6.1.0.524670 (64bit) Example: https://gyazo.com/4ac59b2c07ee8acaa2d8ac57114fa4db What you can do on a legacy viewer though is, under Region/Estate -> Environment Select "Use the following settings" Choose "Day cycle" & pick "Default" from the drop down & Apply. This works fine. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christi Maeterlinck 6 Posted March 25 Whirly, love... thank you for the hundreds of lines of code but as I'm not a programmer I can't make the slightest sense of it. As for you last posting, I followed your instructions, choosing the Default Day cycle. As soon as I hit 'Apply', 'Default' changed back to "Faerun'. How do I get the Default to save? And it's not my VIEWER that's a legacy one (I have downloaded the very latest viewers in both Linden official and Firestorm); it's that the island itself, Faerun, is a legacy island. Anyway, thank you so much for trying to help– for your time and patience.. The problem started with this wretched 'EEP' version, after 12 years of faultless performance... let's hope that LL and FS between them can iron out all the glitches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee McKay 3 Posted March 25 (edited) 4 hours ago, Christi Maeterlinck said: Whirly, love... thank you for the hundreds of lines of code but as I'm not a programmer I can't make the slightest sense of it. As for you last posting, I followed your instructions, choosing the Default Day cycle. As soon as I hit 'Apply', 'Default' changed back to "Faerun'. How do I get the Default to save? And it's not my VIEWER that's a legacy one (I have downloaded the very latest viewers in both Linden official and Firestorm); it's that the island itself, Faerun, is a legacy island. Anyway, thank you so much for trying to help– for your time and patience.. The problem started with this wretched 'EEP' version, after 12 years of faultless performance... let's hope that LL and FS between them can iron out all the glitches! Hi Christi, Went through this at Boystown, not a big deal. If you want "default" set, download the EEP "test" viewer from LL, log on, set default, and leave it until EEP is finished. It won't be exactly what you had before, but it will be at least similar to the default. Or you can go in and play with the new settings, bearing in mind that non-EEP viewers won't see some of what you change. But you must use the EEP viewer to get back to default on an EEP region as of now. Lee FYI, EEP is STUNNING when you see what it is capable of. We might have had something for 12 years, but EEP is going to be FAR and above better. Edited March 25 by Lee McKay 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christi Maeterlinck 6 Posted March 26 Dear Lee, Thank you! I did what you recommended, getting the official EEP viewer, but the result is ghastly: see http://prntscr.com/n3662f Glaring brightness during the afternoon; and (I checked!) the walls are just as oversaturated with bright white in the night as they are during the day. I think I'll go back to Firestorm, see if I can find a Day Cycle windlight and work with that until Firestorm come up with an EEP version. Kind regards, Christi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whirly Fizzle 4,799 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Christi Maeterlinck said: Dear Lee, Thank you! I did what you recommended, getting the official EEP viewer, but the result is ghastly: see http://prntscr.com/n3662f Glaring brightness during the afternoon; and (I checked!) the walls are just as oversaturated with bright white in the night as they are during the day. I think I'll go back to Firestorm, see if I can find a Day Cycle windlight and work with that until Firestorm come up with an EEP version. Kind regards, Christi This is a known bug in the EEP viewer if you login with ALM disabled & keep ALM disabled. You can work around the bug by having ALM enabled at login & then disabling ALM after login if you wish. This bug will be fixed in the next EEP viewer update. Bug report: BUG-226545 - [EEP] Installation of EEP Viewer caused significant rendering problems Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christi Maeterlinck 6 Posted March 26 Dear Whirly I tried that, but the button to enable ALM wouldn't accept the command: the tick appeared briefly, and then disappeared, with the button turning a darkish green shade. So I couldn't log out of the EEP viewer with ALM enabled. (This is on a Mac Powerbook running under the latest OS, in case this particular bug is platform-dependent.) Back to good old Firestorm! Kind regards, Christi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whirly Fizzle 4,799 Posted March 28 On 3/26/2019 at 4:30 PM, Christi Maeterlinck said: Dear Whirly I tried that, but the button to enable ALM wouldn't accept the command: the tick appeared briefly, and then disappeared, with the button turning a darkish green shade. So I couldn't log out of the EEP viewer with ALM enabled. (This is on a Mac Powerbook running under the latest OS, in case this particular bug is platform-dependent.) Back to good old Firestorm! Kind regards, Christi The problem with not being able to set ALM to enabled on some Mac systems will be fixed in the next EEP-RC viewer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christi Maeterlinck 6 Posted March 28 A bug in the workaround to a bug... Roll on the amended viewer! Thankee for your help and byeeee! Christi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whirly Fizzle 4,799 Posted March 28 The original glare bug will also be fixed in the next EEP viewer too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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