What's with out of sync mainland regions?

[animats]

For a while, some parcels with EEP sim servers and classic viewers were stuck at a fixed time. I saw this at Vallone, which was running a Blue Steel server.

Yesterday, Vallone was restarted. It's now running RC Blue Steel 19.02.01.523. Now there's a day/night cycle, but it's out of sync with the neighboring regions. At 12:10 PST, which is also Linden time, the sun direction is <-0.48082, 0.00000, -0.87682>. Sun way below the ground. Region has a day cycle named "Vallone".

Across the street, in Kama Center, the sun direction is <0.80100, -0.16899, 0.57432>. Sun in the sky. Region has a day cycle of "Use Second Life default."

It's not the viewer; the sun direction comes from LSL, which is viewer independent.

Edited February 7, 2019 by animats

[Jules Catlyn]

Maybe they are just still tinkering with it and it is a work in progress.

[animats]

Did the Drivers of SL run today. Mainland regions way out of sync. Every 10 seconds of flight, a huge environment change. Day, night, cloudy, sun zipping across the sky.

This looks awful. Mainland needs consistent EEP settings.

[TechDave]

I seen a notice on SL Drivers group about an hour prior to drive event. They said SL was “having problems” gridwide and event was in question.  

I had RL keeping me away, don’t know if event went or not.

[rasterscan]

Until they finally kill the goose that laid the golden egg they wont be happy at the lab

Edited February 10, 2019 by rasterscan

[Fionalein]

I guess this is way back on the priority list... IMHO fixing those lost inventories comes first. (and also my guess what was really the biggest problem for the event, you cannot drive when your ride is not available)

Edited February 10, 2019 by Fionalein

[Rider Linden]

The legacy Windlight regions calculate time a little differently than the new EEP regions so they will not always sync up correctly across the region boundary. Since we scatter the RC regions around the grid you are likely to cross from a release region (still on Windlight) into a Bluesteel or LeTigra region (using EEP).  So the apparent time of day may change. As more regions are converted you will see fewer and fewer of these drastic changes in time of day. 

[Christi Maeterlinck]

This is AWFUL!!!!!

The am/midday/pm/midnight settings are fine, but the default estate time is

a) stationary

b) with the sun about to set, or maybe just risen, in the SOUTH.

You had a perfectly  sensible Windlight system and now its ruined

[Whirly Fizzle]

2 hours ago, Christi Maeterlinck said:

This is AWFUL!!!!!

The am/midday/pm/midnight settings are fine, but the default estate time is

a) stationary

b) with the sun about to set, or maybe just risen, in the SOUTH.

You had a perfectly  sensible Windlight system and now its ruined

Which region are you seeing this on?
Which viewer are you using?  Help -> About Second Life / Viewer name

[Christi Maeterlinck]

Actually, what's happening is that the sun is circling about 20 degrees above the horizon, right round the horizon, rather than rising in the East and setting in the West as it has for the last 12 years. This is true of a) the latest Firestorm viewer b) the latest official Linden Lab viewer c) the Linden Lab EEP release candidate viewer.

I am seeing this on FAERUN; other people here see it too.  I have World/Region Details/Environment using Day Cycle selected as always. When I try to select SL Default, I get this: http://prntscr.com/n1uw2a (Windlight settings couldn’t be applied: the Windlight settings were empty or not well-formed)

Rocko tried to advise but in the end, could only suggest using c) above: which makes no difference.

 

[Whirly Fizzle]

Ok I went to FAERUN.

Something is wrong with the environment there but I'm not sure what.

What you see on a legacy (pre-EEP) viewer should match what you see on an EEP viewer when viewing the region windlight/shared environment.
I'm seeing 2 totally different things on a legacy & the EEP viewer - not even close. Both viewers seem to be seeing an entirely different region windlight/environment.
When it's day time on legacy, it's pitch black night on EEP.

What is the day cycle you currently have set on FAERUN?  Is it custom?
EEP shows "Default" for region environment: https://prnt.sc/n2nce2

There is no way to snag a region day cycle on either viewer.

Best I could do is snaffle the data from the caps 
Incase this changes again...

Current day cycle data when I visted:

Legacy: from EnvironmentSettings URL cap
 

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 @Rider Linden

Edited March 25, 2019 by Whirly Fizzle

[Whirly Fizzle]

On 3/23/2019 at 5:56 PM, Christi Maeterlinck said:

When I try to select SL Default, I get this: http://prntscr.com/n1uw2a (Windlight settings couldn’t be applied: the Windlight settings were empty or not well-formed)

Yeah you can't use this setting any more on a legacy viewer on an EEP region.
I think this is expected behaviour but I'm not sure.

I get the same error on the default LL viewer: Second Life Release 6.1.0.524670 (64bit)
Example: https://gyazo.com/4ac59b2c07ee8acaa2d8ac57114fa4db

What you can do on a legacy viewer though is, under Region/Estate -> Environment
Select "Use the following settings"
Choose "Day cycle" & pick "Default" from the drop down & Apply.
This works fine.
 

[Christi Maeterlinck]

Whirly, love... thank you for the hundreds of lines of code but as I'm not a programmer I can't make the slightest sense of it.

As for you last posting, I followed your instructions, choosing the Default Day cycle. As soon as I hit 'Apply', 'Default' changed back to "Faerun'.

How do I get the Default to save?

And it's not my VIEWER that's a legacy one (I have downloaded the very latest viewers in both Linden official and Firestorm); it's that the island itself, Faerun, is a legacy island.

Anyway, thank you so much for trying to help– for your time and patience.. The problem started with this wretched 'EEP' version, after 12 years of faultless performance... let's hope that LL and FS between them can iron out all the glitches!

 

[Lee McKay]

4 hours ago, Christi Maeterlinck said:

Whirly, love... thank you for the hundreds of lines of code but as I'm not a programmer I can't make the slightest sense of it.

As for you last posting, I followed your instructions, choosing the Default Day cycle. As soon as I hit 'Apply', 'Default' changed back to "Faerun'.

How do I get the Default to save?

And it's not my VIEWER that's a legacy one (I have downloaded the very latest viewers in both Linden official and Firestorm); it's that the island itself, Faerun, is a legacy island.

Anyway, thank you so much for trying to help– for your time and patience.. The problem started with this wretched 'EEP' version, after 12 years of faultless performance... let's hope that LL and FS between them can iron out all the glitches!

 

Hi Christi,

Went through this at Boystown, not a big deal. If you want "default" set, download the EEP "test" viewer from LL, log on, set default, and leave it until EEP is finished. It won't be exactly what you had before, but it will be at least similar to the default. Or you can go in and play with the new settings, bearing in mind that non-EEP viewers won't see some of what you change. But you must use the EEP viewer to get back to default on an EEP region as of now.

Lee

FYI, EEP is STUNNING when you see what it is capable of. We might have had something for 12 years, but EEP is going to be FAR and above better.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Lee McKay

[Christi Maeterlinck]

Dear Lee,

Thank you! I did what you recommended, getting the official EEP viewer, but the result is ghastly: see http://prntscr.com/n3662f

Glaring brightness during the afternoon; and (I checked!) the walls are just as oversaturated with bright white in the night as they are during the day.

I think I'll go back to Firestorm, see if I can find a Day Cycle windlight and work with that until Firestorm come up with an EEP version.

Kind regards,

Christi

[Whirly Fizzle]

1 hour ago, Christi Maeterlinck said:

Dear Lee,

Thank you! I did what you recommended, getting the official EEP viewer, but the result is ghastly: see http://prntscr.com/n3662f

Glaring brightness during the afternoon; and (I checked!) the walls are just as oversaturated with bright white in the night as they are during the day.

I think I'll go back to Firestorm, see if I can find a Day Cycle windlight and work with that until Firestorm come up with an EEP version.

Kind regards,

Christi

This is a known bug in the EEP viewer if you login with ALM disabled & keep ALM disabled.
You can work around the bug by having ALM enabled at login & then disabling ALM after login if you wish.
This bug will be fixed in the next EEP viewer update.

Bug report: BUG-226545 - [EEP] Installation of EEP Viewer caused significant rendering problems

[Christi Maeterlinck]

Dear Whirly

I tried that, but the button to enable ALM wouldn't accept the command: the tick appeared briefly, and then disappeared, with the button turning a darkish green shade. So I couldn't log out of the EEP viewer with ALM enabled. (This is on a Mac Powerbook running under the latest OS, in case this particular bug is platform-dependent.) Back to good old Firestorm!

Kind regards,

Christi

 

 

[Whirly Fizzle]

On 3/26/2019 at 4:30 PM, Christi Maeterlinck said:

Dear Whirly

I tried that, but the button to enable ALM wouldn't accept the command: the tick appeared briefly, and then disappeared, with the button turning a darkish green shade. So I couldn't log out of the EEP viewer with ALM enabled. (This is on a Mac Powerbook running under the latest OS, in case this particular bug is platform-dependent.) Back to good old Firestorm!

Kind regards,

Christi

 

 

The problem with not being able to set ALM to enabled on some Mac systems will be fixed in the next EEP-RC viewer.

[Christi Maeterlinck]

A bug in the workaround to a bug... Roll on the amended viewer! Thankee for your help and byeeee!

Christi

[Whirly Fizzle]

The original glare bug will also be fixed in the next EEP viewer too