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Right now I have a classic body...  

I am interested in changing only the classic body to a mesh body.

I've talked about this is little in the past.  But, can anyone recommend an FREE mesh body (with the hands and feet already attached) that is easy/ basic that a newbie can figure out with little assistance?  

1.  Are there any very basic youtube videos on basic steps how to change from a CLASSIC body to a MESH body?

2.  Are there certain MESH bodies that are easier to find clothing for?

3.  Are there certain MESH bodies that have more choices of clothing?

4.  Are there certain MESH bodies that are more straight forward to add to avatar for a newbie with the least amount of 'extra' things to worry about?

5.  Are there questions I should be asking or things I should be worried about that I'm not bringing up here?

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i would not recommend wasting your time with a free body (if there is such a thing) that no one but the creator makes clothing for. Maitreya, Slink, and Belleza all have free demos including HUDs. play around with each and see which one suits you.

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   Hm, there was a free one from... ... Altamura? I think? I'm not sure if it's still around, or if there was any requirement of 'not being older than xy days', it came with a head and everything. Finding clothes for it though, I honestly couldn't tell. 

   Most clothing designers rig for Maitreya Lara, and maybe for Slink Physique, and maybe for Slink Hourglass, and maybe for one, two or three Bellezas, then there's a bunch of bodies that I've never familiarised myself with such as... Tonic, eBody, or something. A Maitreya Lara will set you back L$2,750, the others I don't know for sure. 

   You also have to consider a few other factors though - mainly appliers. You'll need a skin for your body (although I -think- that all of them come with a few skin tones built in), you'll want that skin to match your head (what head are you using?). You'll also have to consider what physique you want your avatar to have - Hourglass for example is more... Hourglass shaped. 

   In my opinion, I wouldn't advise wasting your time with a free mesh body for which you'll have Hell and a half finding anything you can wear with it and be severely limited in all choices henceforth. Go grab the demos, figure out which one you want, and start saving up for it. I'd say a budget of around L$10,000 should be around what you'll want if you want to upgrade fully to bento mesh - that'll be your body, head and skin primarily. There's little to no point buying shapes, and any extra bits you'll want later on (alternative teeth, 'private bits' and such can wait if you find them at all necessary). 

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Question 2, 3 and 4 my reply is: Maitreya Lara.

Question 1: These videos claim to be basic and starter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=BnAaDpZRUkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsTm3iSzP-8

The #2 video shows the Ebody, not Maitreya.

But Maitreya has the largest share of the market, and so you save yourself a lot of time hunting down things that perhaps fit a free body. I find it annoying and it's stealing time from my SL.

On Marianne (because I have more avatars that this) I have both Slink bodies, Belleza body, TMP body and Maitreya. I only use Maitreya.

If you can get some money in RL, like working an hour overtime or skip a few purchases of coffee in your coffee shop, I would buy some §L and go straight for a Maitreya body. Maitreya also have the most freebies and sales. If you follow the blog https://fabfree.wordpress.com/ look at the freebies. It is almost nothing made for system bodies anymore. You will see that some have this body and some have that body, but all have Maitreya. That being said, you can buy either

  • Maitreya Lara
  • Slink Hourglass & Physique
  • Belleza Freya & Isis

and find a lot of stuff for them. They are all bodies you pay for.

This video is good and detailed about Maitreya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2PtyyXzxnA

Now that I have basically turned down your request about a free body, let me link to a blogpost: https://ryanschultz.com/2018/09/24/second-life-steals-deals-and-freebies-free-mesh-heads-and-bodies-for-female-second-life-avatars/

Scroll down, almost to the end you find Ruth 2.0 and more. The first part is all about heads.

Ryan Schultz also have some posts about free Altamura avatars: https://ryanschultz.com/tag/altamura/

A lot of free things is limited in time, as Christmas gifts and hunts. There are also fees to join groups, to get their group gifts. Basically, free stuff it limiting in what you can customize, fewer freebies and cheapies, they are perhaps available for a short time, almost no one blogs them (besides Ryan Schultz) and you might have to join a group and pay the fee. I tried to find videos for them, I came up with videos for Altamura but they are all in Spanish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgCAEvY8qHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcEqISS9GfQ&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA7wTuuuyjc

 

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Making a link directly to Ruth 2.0

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Mesh-Ruth-20-Bento-Body-Head-Hands-Feets-Appliers-Full-Perm/15581499

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/RuthToo-RC3-Mesh-Body-with-HGluv-Skirt-and-Tanktop/16088312

and read the reviews to find out if it is something for you. There are claims that Slink Physique clothes and Maitreya shoes work for it. There you have a free body, but it will be more work for you.

The body is a bit basic, but someone made nails and other stuff for it:

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/ruth-upgrades-rc3-hands-feets-nails-2/15726755

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/PROJECT-Ruth-20-Release-Candidate-1v2/16068068

I don't know what these extras are.

Perhaps someone will pick it up and make blogposts and videos about it. It is not going to be me, sorry... My time in SL is limited and I have other bodies to play with.

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2 hours ago, Orwar said:

   Hm, there was a free one from... ... Altamura? I think? I'm not sure if it's still around, or if there was any requirement of 'not being older than xy days', it came with a head and everything. Finding clothes for it though, I honestly couldn't tell. 

There are clothes for it but not as frequent. There is no requirement either, I collected a lot of them. They occasilanly pop up as hunt gifts but there are 3 permanent ones at Newbie centers:

Ajuda SL Brasil, Unihispana Crea and Londen City.

1 hour ago, Marianne Little said:

I came up with videos for Altamura but they are all in Spanish.

Are you sure it was not Portuguese?

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My friend got the free Altamura mesh body, and likes it.  She says that it comes with hands, feet, and even a mesh head (!)  She also says that most clothes that are made for the Maitreya Lara body will fit her Altamura, which is really great news.  This is all secondhand info, I haven't tried it myself...but what have you got to lose, it's free!

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1 hour ago, Marianne Little said:

Question 2, 3 and 4 my reply is: Maitreya Lara.

Question 1: These videos claim to be basic and starter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=BnAaDpZRUkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsTm3iSzP-8

The #2 video shows the Ebody, not Maitreya.

But Maitreya has the largest share of the market, and so you save yourself a lot of time hunting down things that perhaps fit a free body. I find it annoying and it's stealing time from my SL.

On Marianne (because I have more avatars that this) I have both Slink bodies, Belleza body, TMP body and Maitreya. I only use Maitreya.

If you can get some money in RL, like working an hour overtime or skip a few purchases of coffee in your coffee shop, I would buy some §L and go straight for a Maitreya body. Maitreya also have the most freebies and sales. If you follow the blog https://fabfree.wordpress.com/ look at the freebies. It is almost nothing made for system bodies anymore. You will see that some have this body and some have that body, but all have Maitreya. That being said, you can buy either

  • Maitreya Lara
  • Slink Hourglass & Physique
  • Belleza Freya & Isis

and find a lot of stuff for them. They are all bodies you pay for.

This video is good and detailed about Maitreya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2PtyyXzxnA

Now that I have basically turned down your request about a free body, let me link to a blogpost: https://ryanschultz.com/2018/09/24/second-life-steals-deals-and-freebies-free-mesh-heads-and-bodies-for-female-second-life-avatars/

Scroll down, almost to the end you find Ruth 2.0 and more. The first part is all about heads.

Ryan Schultz also have some posts about free Altamura avatars: https://ryanschultz.com/tag/altamura/

A lot of free things is limited in time, as Christmas gifts and hunts. There are also fees to join groups, to get their group gifts. Basically, free stuff it limiting in what you can customize, fewer freebies and cheapies, they are perhaps available for a short time, almost no one blogs them (besides Ryan Schultz) and you might have to join a group and pay the fee. I tried to find videos for them, I came up with videos for Altamura but they are all in Spanish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgCAEvY8qHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcEqISS9GfQ&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA7wTuuuyjc

 

You stated something specific I am interested in.  I do work a lot.  So, is there a specific site that is trustworthy that I can pay rl money to in order to have a mesh avatar designed?  It would be worth it for me to save the time.  I appreciate all of your advise.

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I'm way off from being an expert here.but the change to a Lara body for me was a very easy step. The body comes with an alpha layer. You wear that and your system body vanishes, just leaving your head. Then add the Lara body and it appears. Add the HUD and then you can play with loads of stuff. Lara comes with a number of default shapes and skin tones, which will help to match your head colour, but then others skins are available if you get adventurous. It really is that simple. But Lara is expensive, but then again it's very easy to mess with.

Adding a mesh head is a different level of challenge!!!

This was my first day with Lara and my system head. I was absolutely delighted with it.........and still am!

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I think trying the demo versions first is the most important part before investing into a body. Its a lot about personal taste and what type of look someone strives to archieve. For example: Some bodies work better for churvy shapes than others.

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10 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

My friend got the free Altamura mesh body, and likes it.  She says that it comes with hands, feet, and even a mesh head (!)  She also says that most clothes that are made for the Maitreya Lara body will fit her Altamura, which is really great news.  This is all secondhand info, I haven't tried it myself...but what have you got to lose, it's free!

Many Maitreya tops fit... for pants I usually was better off with low riding medium or small classic ones... the hips do not fit as well... miniskirts are a real PITA with that body but wide skirts both medium and for Maitreya used to work OK-ish.

Then again there are some Altamura fitted skirts on the market and those worked perfect.

8 minutes ago, Sandra8675 said:

 You stated something specific I am interested in.  I do work a lot.  So, is there a specific site that is trustworthy that I can pay rl money to in order to have a mesh avatar designed?  It would be worth it for me to save the time.  I appreciate all of your advise.

err no, she encouraged you to trade real money for Lindens on Lindex. Basically you will earn the same amount in 1 hour of selling fries at your local burger bar as you would for working a whole weekend in SL... (often even at a worse comparison rate)

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rule #1 Demo. Then after you've demo'd, demo again, demo more, demo another, demo again. Adjust shape sliders with each different body to see if and how it shapes the way you want it, then when you've narrowed it down to a cpl that you like do a search for corresponding clothing on MP to get an idea of what's out there. If you can also demo skins on the demo bodies, not all skins look the same on all bodies

Choose a body becasue you like it, not just cos its "popular", you're the one who has to invest in it and live with it

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Definitely register a credit card or a verified PayPal account, buy some $L, and go shopping!  But don't think about getting a custom designed mesh avatar...that would cost...oh gosh, hundreds or thousands of dollars.  Real dollars, not $L.

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5 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

Many Maitreya tops fit... for pants I usually was better off with low riding medium or small classic ones... the hips do not fit as well... miniskirts are a real PITA with that body but wide skirts both medium and for Maitreya used to work OK-ish.

Then again there are some Altamura fitted skirts on the market and those worked perfect.

err no, she encouraged you to trade real money for Lindens on Lindex. Basically you will earn the same amount in 1 hour of selling fries at your local burger bar as you would for working a whole weekend in SL... (often even at a worse comparison rate)

Ok...  I will check into Lindex...  I was wondering about that.  I'll check out the comparison rate.

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A typical mesh body is 2500L that is about 10$ US, how fast do you earn 2500L and how fast do you earn 10$ US?

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3 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

A typical mesh body is 2500L that is about 10$ US, how fast do you earn 2500L and how fast do you earn 10$ US?

   L$2,500... I suppose I may earn that much from in-world and Marketplace sales and services once every few months. Best rates I've had was L$8,000 for a series of shots that took me two days of shooting and editing.

   10$ US... 6 minutes of commissioned work time. 

   I buy 99% of all the L$ I want/need, I only 'work' in SL because I enjoy doing it. Would I spend the time, resources and effort I put into SL to promote my RL business, I'd probably never have to worry about money again. But that's a bit like saying 'if I only ate healthy and went to the gym regularly I'd never have to worry about my health again'. Where's the fun in that?

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3 hours ago, Sandra8675 said:

2.  Are there certain MESH bodies that are easier to find clothing for?

3.  Are there certain MESH bodies that have more choices of clothing?

For both of these Maitreya has the biggest availability of clothing if after demoing different bodies you think it's the body for you but not in your price range, yet. i had an alt try out the L$30 Sahara "Maitreya compatible" body from http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Fredrix/217/15/73 (adult sim) it's not very newbie friendly in terms of applying skins as you need actual skin textures to get a UUID (there's a pack for L$1 there) and has no applier/Omega support or bento there's also a very basic L$1 head available not worth buying IMHO my alt is wearing Maitreya rigged stuff obtained free from the recent winter Shop & Hop Jumper - Evani & Trouser/Boot combo - Blueberry but anything Maitreya i've tried has fitted as well as it would on the actual body

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I just came by to moan. (and all of the information below will also be highly wrong, but just feel my pain) 

ALWAYS use the demo first to see if it is what you wanted and does what you expect. ALWAYS, don't spend one linden until you've got the entire avatar tested, or you'll end up chasing your tail. 

I must have 6 or 8 female avatars in varying states of unsatisfactory mesh incompleteness.

I don't understand what mesh is... sometimes it is shape, sometimes it is skin then sometimes apparently it is "bones", my goodness me, but I don't get on with it at all. How new people cope - I dread to think. The more I try to figure it out - the more confused I get. 

One of the problems is everyone has gone off in different directions, some like making heads ...ooh animated heads, Wow, lets have a thousand different mouth patterns then. (rolls my only two eyes heavenwards - and hopes they don't fall out.) 

Then there are fingers - and whose little toes are these? oh look fingernails, oh boy, more OCD things to faff about with.

Breasts? Oh yeah, you're gonna want Big Bazongas and then there will be femboys who want flat chested looks.

so ALL of this ends up being a swappit body, head, hands, feet, boobies.

I got Maitreya body

-oops!!!

 my fault for not realising they were pedantically selling a body.... did I want a head too?

Well, yes, please - that would be great, after all, my human body included the head. Sighs.

Ah well, no, you see, what you're actually doing is using the legacy head with a maitraya body shape with some skin and maybe hands and feet that I think could be 'Slink' that might be because slink feet came out beforehand, maybe for when we first started seeing sculpty shoes. I don't know, its all mad now and nothing fits. 
Frankly, I think Maitreya should exhibit their bodies WITHOUT heads, so people get it and don't mistakenly assume they're getting a whole, complete, intact, avatar. 

So now you start looking into Bento Heads, so you need to get your head around Catwa.... I've just gotten completely confused about whether Catwa is the family or genera or bento is the species. I can't figure out where on the family tree of avatar components these things apply. "Bento is bones and Catwa is the brand" is what I think I understood from what people said to me through their LoL's on the group IM

You need an education and experience equivalent to a Master's degree - and takes about as long just to get the body, head, fingers boobs, just right and co-ordinated.... now the issue is that skin no longer works on that body or head, so you now need "Appliers" which pastes your skin over the shapes of the body and head. 


I also have clothing outfits which have as an attachment point my right hand... for a frock!!!!!!! so, when I slip up and "wear" a leash handle instead of "add" it, my dress comes off. Then it is like "Dang! what WAS that dress called???" ( to try and locate it in my inventory while I stand there nekkid... wonder if someone will invent an Bento "Blush" animation for my head?

I tried Maitreya, but then my old skin (which was perfectly nice) had a seam between legacy head and Maitreya body. I still haven't worked out if I can fix this without having to commit to buying a new head. Why am I buying a whole skin now? I really only need the face. (Hannibal lecter eat someone else's heart out). 

Stuff it - I'll wear neck jewellery or a collar, (cries softly, but no tears appear as my face animation isn't configured correctly) 

How much thousands of lindens have you got? Well, say goodbye to it all - because now we are going to start looking at clothing your new avatar and joy of joys, nothing fits anything else. 

I have several avatars with maitreya and I had a struggle with it - it takes advantage of the three layers of tattoo, underwear and clothing, but sometimes stuff sticks, or the layers they interfere with one another. If the Sim is laggy it might have a delay, so you're clicking something else now when the front half of your stockings disappears on one leg. 

I honestly ended up bringing in another alt just to watch what was happening on the one I was editing

So then I bought a Bento shape, thinking that might work, a lovely thing, a 'whole avatar' but made by someone who doesn't adhere to measurements that others use... in fact, you start to realise they're ALL different. I got a Wet N Wild avatar that is hot, but I cannot get one single pair of shoes to fit - and she came with platforms 5 storeys high so I would please like just a nice pair of high heeled court shoes. 

I'd just got that avatar some stockings for her maitreya body - shape thing, whatever it is... they work well I don't dare try to get them on the new Bento shape. 

You start to hear all these names... I guess it would be like going to a Motorbike Fayre and discovering people selling lawn-mower parts and bits for chain saws in amongst it all.... hey - maybe it might be compatible. 

Nope. forget it, don't waste your money. Nothing will be compatible. 

There are the Slink feet, I can't remember what Belleza is, but they feature in there too, and, of course Maitreya and Catwa... 

You'll realise that dress shopping now means you are looking for these logos to match what you bought. 

Creators are having to build three or four variations, so I assume they have more work and that is bound to put costs up.

Gone are the days of uploading a photo of your cat and making a T-shirt. It is WAY more sophisticated than that now. 

I'm too old now to bother learning 3D modelling, but it was a consideration, because I can't buy much "off-the-peg" any more and forget the Freebie Warehouses. Nothing from there will work on mesh. Well, it will SAY it works with Mesh, but just not YOUR choice of mesh body parts... 

Bones?... you buy virtual bones? What the actual ......?

 

Yeah, there ARE freebies Bento bodies, but I tried one and I couldn't work out how to use it - I ended up with two bodies on, I looked like a broken chameleon. 

 

I just don't want to spend the rest of my life getting every little bit of my avatar perfect I want to get on and have fun living in a virtual world, not going to the make up department for weeks at a time, hopping around SL looking for that one pair of shoes that just might fit my stupid feet. 

I never ever did get the make up working either, probably because I was using the legacy head - I don't know. 

There, that was a good rant. I'm glad I got that out of my system 

 

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10 hours ago, Eon Balfour said:

I just came by to moan. (and all of the information below will also be highly wrong, but just feel my pain) 

ALWAYS use the demo first to see if it is what you wanted and does what you expect. ALWAYS, don't spend one linden until you've got the entire avatar tested, or you'll end up chasing your tail. 

  1. Yes! But isn't it great? Before, I had to look at a dress ad and hope it wasn't edited to look better.

I must have 6 or 8 female avatars in varying states of unsatisfactory mesh incompleteness.

I don't understand what mesh is... sometimes it is shape, sometimes it is skin then sometimes apparently it is "bones", my goodness me, but I don't get on with it at all. How new people cope - I dread to think. The more I try to figure it out - the more confused I get. 

One of the problems is everyone has gone off in different directions, some like making heads ...ooh animated heads, Wow, lets have a thousand different mouth patterns then. (rolls my only two eyes heavenwards - and hopes they don't fall out.) 

  1. I think it adds to diversity. But if LL had updated their default avatar, this didn't have to happen.

 

I got Maitreya body

-oops!!!

 my fault for not realising they were pedantically selling a body.... did I want a head too?

Well, yes, please - that would be great, after all, my human body included the head. Sighs.

  1. English isn't my #1 language so I found it natural that "body" was neck down, but that is just me.

 

You need an education and experience equivalent to a Master's degree - and takes about as long just to get the body, head, fingers boobs, just right and co-ordinated.... now the issue is that skin no longer works on that body or head, so you now need "Appliers" which pastes your skin over the shapes of the body and head. 

  1. It is different yes, but IMHO the quality is worth the learning.


I also have clothing outfits which have as an attachment point my right hand... for a frock!!!!!!! so, when I slip up and "wear" a leash handle instead of "add" it, my dress comes off. Then it is like "Dang! what WAS that dress called???" ( to try and locate it in my inventory while I stand there nekkid... wonder if someone will invent an Bento "Blush" animation for my head?

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  1. This over is my avatar in 2008, and I am using every attachment point, even the nose, for a hair rose. Did I spend much time editing all of it in place? You bet. I even had to copy some things, change attachment point and turn and rotate them. It took so much more time than the new system, where I use "Add" instead of "Wear". It is one click and the new attachment snap in place. It is then a few more clicks to open the inventory and detach what I want off. Much faster that the editing in the old days.
  2. Fitted mesh to a mesh body means that if I change something on my shape, the attachment adjusts itself. In the old days, new editing was necessary.
  3. I can also have both rings and a leash on the same hand. In the old days with 1 attachment for the hand, you had to choose.
  4. And with fitted mesh, there is no issue of belly piercings disappear into the body when you bend forward, or the piercing hang in front of the tummy when bending backwards.
  5. If you can let go of the old way "wear " for every thing, I think you will like the fitted mesh better.

 

I have several avatars with maitreya and I had a struggle with it - it takes advantage of the three layers of tattoo, underwear and clothing, but sometimes stuff sticks, or the layers they interfere with one another. If the Sim is laggy it might have a delay, so you're clicking something else now when the front half of your stockings disappears on one leg. 

  1. Oh boy. I am afraid I remember the past had its learning curve too. Long rant coming up. I remember going to get freebies, and I got a huge box from one Freebie Dungeon or its like. One skin was named "Medieval Princess Skin" and that sounded so pretty. I could not preview the skin, and I was wearing it and got a nasty surprise. It was SO ugly. Then I tried to take it off...found out that was not possible, and had no idea where to find the skin I had, that was better than the Freebie Dungen ones.
  2. I found a freebie blog, or got some advice on where to find better stuff. I got a big pack from Pixel Dolls, and upon opening the folder, I was like, WOW! So many clothes! A whole wardrobe. I was confused when trying it on. A vest came on the undershirt and jacket layer too? Why? It was not an undershirt or a jacket? And why did the shirt and the undershirt cut off over the bellybutton? Only the jacket had a full vest. So I tried the jeans. They worked well on pants layer. And underpants layers, even if I  wondered why I could not have a plain set of underwear and not jeans on the underpants layer. And then, I was working through all the different icons, and suddenly, the bottom part of the vest appeared on the underwear and the pants layers, so I was naked from the waist and down. Why?? I did not understand it. I think the jeans was even on a stocking layer and a jacket layer combination. I was so confused. Later, I understod how layers worked. And that this was to give me mix and match possibilities.
  3. Here are a screenshot of one of my pre mesh vest and jacket combination with sculpts and layers: Not so easy to understand for a newbie?coat.jpg.ccea20f39136265b11d609dc171b8e5b.jpg

So then I bought a Bento shape, thinking that might work, a lovely thing, a 'whole avatar' but made by someone who doesn't adhere to measurements that others use... in fact, you start to realise they're ALL different. I got a Wet N Wild avatar that is hot, but I cannot get one single pair of shoes to fit - and she came with platforms 5 storeys high so I would please like just a nice pair of high heeled court shoes. 

  1. Ugh, yes. It is because the "big body names" has the market. It is not different from RL. really. An avatar made for a small brand has only the clothes made for it. It is too late for you, you already spent the money. But if others read here, a good idea is to go to SL Marketplace, type in the avatar/body name in search and filter on apparel. You will see what's made for it. You can take off the filter for Apparel and change it to Avatar Component and look for skins. If it is nothing made for it, you can buy nothing.

I'd just got that avatar some stockings for her maitreya body - shape thing, whatever it is... they work well I don't dare try to get them on the new Bento shape. 

  1. Your Maitreya body is the attachment you put over your old, familar shape. A new shape does not remove the Maitreya body, it changes the sliders so the Maitreya body changes with it. Just go into appearance mode and pull the sliders yourself. (Make a copy of the body you use first)

Nope. forget it, don't waste your money. Nothing will be compatible. 

  1. We agree to disagree then... It is just another way of shopping and in the description, it says what it's made for. Been to Collabor 88 and similar events?

There are the Slink feet, I can't remember what Belleza is, but they feature in there too, and, of course Maitreya and Catwa... 

  1. It is part of the confusion, I agree. Slink feet only is for those who want their classic body, but think the feet is ugly and will use the new and improved feet with real toes. Slink also has that body system with all inluded, but also separate hands and feet.

You'll realise that dress shopping now means you are looking for these logos to match what you bought. 

  1. Yes, you must. But I got used to it quickly. I go to events or the Marketplace and I bought the body that almost "all" make stuff for. I made it easy for myself.

Creators are having to build three or four variations, so I assume they have more work and that is bound to put costs up.

  1. Yes they have to make variations. But creators have adapted, and the price vary a lot. I can get an outfit for 250 L or just a top with straps for 300 L. Creators price the stuff different any way as they always have done. Some get a "brand name" and sell on it.

Gone are the days of uploading a photo of your cat and making a T-shirt. It is WAY more sophisticated than that now. 

I'm too old now to bother learning 3D modelling, but it was a consideration, because I can't buy much "off-the-peg" any more and forget the Freebie Warehouses. Nothing from there will work on mesh. Well, it will SAY it works with Mesh, but just not YOUR choice of mesh body parts... 

- Well, here is the part where I really disagree with you.

  1. You can upload a picture of your cat and make a t-shirt for your mesh body. It is just another way of doing it now, and you must learn a new skill. But remember that you had to learn how to make clothes in SL the old way too. This is also free, because we/I use the Omega system where I rez a "box" that is my new applier on the ground, copy the UUID from the texture I have uploaded, click save and then rename the box to something I can find again, like "scar on left shoulder"". I then take the box back in my inventory, and use it as any other applier. Omega gives me a message and ask what layer I want it on. I then click one of them.
  2. Caveat: Some mesh bodies or heads have not installed the script that "listen" to the Omega applier. You have to buy that, but it is an one time investment and cheap. But the "designers" box with empy appliers waiting for your UUID is free.
  3. Freebie Warehouses? Here we must agree to disagree. I am old in SL, but already when I started, the huge freebie places had outdated and ugly things. Already then, the gown from a dance place like Franks was much better. It is the same way now. The freebies from a store or a group gift looks much better. YOMV.

 

 

The over is a few of my comments, I took out what I had time to comment on or where I had an opinion.. YOMV.

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11 hours ago, Eon Balfour said:

 I tried Maitreya, but then my old skin (which was perfectly nice) had a seam between legacy head and Maitreya body. I still haven't worked out if I can fix this without having to commit to buying a new head. Why am I buying a whole skin now? I really only need the face. (Hannibal lecter eat someone else's heart out). 

  1. No, you don't have to buy a head. First, I would look in the store that sold you the legacy skin. If it is still operating in SL, you can be lucky and see that they made body appliers for it. You can be angry and think that it is unfair that you must spend more money just to get rid of the seam. It is somewhat true, but times are changing and we can adapt or don't use a mesh body. I don't know if you use blogs like Seraphimsl or FabFree or Mainstoresl, but the accessories and clothes you find free or cheap for mesh bodies is making the body "pay for itself". Maybe I think too much about how I look, I know I am vain, but I like new things, not the old ones.
  2. I don't use 7 Deadly Skins or WOW, but I hear from others that they often have group gifts, freebies and hunt prices. This can be easier on your wallet, even if you must pay a group fee for joining.
  3. https://bettyboopsl.wordpress.com/ is WOWs blog. What you need is Classic skin for your head - she has it - and a body applier. She has it. Look for packs with both. She is using the mysterious "Omega" appliers. As I mention in my post over, it is a system that makes life easier for creators. Make one body applier instead of 5 or 6 or more. There is a price to pay for a relay that you add (it is on your screen and you don't do a thing with it). It sends the Omega applier information to the Maitreya body and it listens to every Omega applier. Skin, clothes, tattoos, you can use it with this one time investment. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Omega-System-Kit-Maitreya/6709966
  4. The latest offer from WOW: https://mainstoresl.com/wow-skins-new-kamila-classic-skin-omega-genus-group-gift-at-mainstore/ The face will look a bit different on your classic legacy head, but I bet it looks nice.
  5. Both 7 Deadly Skins and WOW are generous with group gifts.

Yeah, there ARE freebies Bento bodies, but I tried one and I couldn't work out how to use it - I ended up with two bodies on, I looked like a broken chameleon. 

  1. Open your inventory and use the third tab, what you are wearing. Detach everything from the body you don't use. Remember to add the alpha layer from the body you want to use. But if you already have Maitreya, throw away the freebie. It is much more content for Maitreya. I recommend freebie bodies only for those who can't spend money in SL.

I just don't want to spend the rest of my life getting every little bit of my avatar perfect I want to get on and have fun living in a virtual world, not going to the make up department for weeks at a time, hopping around SL looking for that one pair of shoes that just might fit my stupid feet. 

  1. Friend, type in Maitreya as search word in the Marketplace, lean back and order demos. Your feet are not stupid, and you are not stupid. You will look great!

I never ever did get the make up working either, probably because I was using the legacy head - I don't know. 

  1. For the legacy head, think legacy, that means tattoo layers. Maybe you already have some? Type in tattoo layers as search word in the Marketplace, filter for Avatar Components -> Make-up. If an ad say: • Classic avatar tattoo layers,  you can use it. Like this one: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/alaskametro3-New-Wave-makeup-palette-TESTERS-CATWA-LELUTKA-OMEGA-applier-HUD-Classic-avatar-layers/16291451

 

 

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So much to reply and I hope it does not look like I am picking on you. I hope you will enjoy your mesh bodies if you start to think about them as a nice new toy and not something made to make you miserable. You already paid for them, so it would be great if you started to like them and understand them.

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I have several avatars with maitreya and I had a struggle with it - it takes advantage of the three layers of tattoo, underwear and clothing, but sometimes stuff sticks, or the layers they interfere with one another. If the Sim is laggy it might have a delay, so you're clicking something else now when the front half of your stockings disappears on one leg. 

I remember it was glitches before too. Sometimes clothes layers did not rez and you got an IM from the host "Honey cover up, this is a PG place". And the time with corrupt layers, where your layers turned like rainbows or it was buildings or other things on them. Had to log off, clear cache and then it worked for a while, but could happen again. And the shoe or hair up the butt after teleports. Or sinking in the ground with only the top of the head visible. The first scripts that added 1 script in every prim so hair or boots had hundreds of scripts, and you could not teleport before you took something off.

So the sim is laggy is just a new kind of annoying stuff, but SL was never free of issues.

If stuff sticks and you see it even if you turn off the layer, it could be a laggy place where scripts make everything go slow. Like when we rubberband, like we did before too... walking and walking and could not stop. You can try a freebie that clear layers, but if it is the laggy sim or Second Life having issues, it will work slow or not at all.

And sometimes it is glitching. This is an old ting in Second Life. Think about when your avatar was standing before a window or a tree with alpha in it, and the alpha parts of your hair disappeared? Or when the floor had alpha, and the invisiprim in the shoe made the floor invisible around your feet? The same is for bodies. Alpha (as in tattoos) and alpha (as in lace) does not mix well. It will glitch. We can not make the glitch disappear. 😞

I have said too much already, but I must whisper: BoM.... it is a game changer that LL promised us would come in 2018. They are late... of course... BUT! You will love it. Your legacy layers can be worn under mesh bodies and heads, and show up on them. As I said, game changer. When you understand how appliers work, LL is changing everything again.....but it is simpler, like the old days. Wear a layer. So don't delete your legacy clothes, skins and tattoos. I should have said this when I told you about the neck seam that you have to buy a new skin for. If you can wait, BoM will help you with this too.

 

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Posted (edited)

2019, March 25 - Sahara mesh body update

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Fredrix/217/15/73
Hi everybody. After having alerted Sahara's builder about heavy script weight (200++), she updated body to version 5.
Now tattoo layer is optional.
Script weight without tattoo layers : 9
Script weight with tattoo layers : 53 (instead of 227 !)
She also added long nails and nails applier on the hud.
Sahara ++ : low price (29 lindens), Maitreya compatible clothes and shoes, skin applier to use your fav classic skins
Sahara -- : no bento (is it really tragic ??), you must have skin UUID to apply it with hud
I don't have mesh head, then I can't evaluate head fitting with Sahara body.
Conclusion : a must-have body allowing you to wear all Maitreya clothes and shoes for a very low price. The "5" update corrects the worse aspect (heavy script weight)

EDIT : some bugs I noticed in the 5 version :
- You have to use hud feet alphas for the toe nails to get the right position
- HUD is out of the screen by default. You have to edit it, roll to unzoom and re-position the HUD correctly
- Body full alpha isn't in the box

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About Sahara body update (march 28)

The script weight has been reduced again. Now it's 9 scripts without tatoo layers and 13 with tatoo layers (instead of 53).
A little texture glitch on the left legs has been corrected quickly.
It's close to perfection for those who don't care Bento.
Builder is friendly and reactive, taking care about suggestions improving her work.

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On 3/25/2019 at 8:19 AM, Cardamoniaque said:

Conclusion : a must-have body allowing you to wear all Maitreya clothes and shoes for a very low price. The "5" update corrects the worse aspect (heavy script weight)

Does this mean she basically cloned Maitreya's body and sells it under her own name? Not seeing how else you can wear Maitreya sized cloths on another body in a different way?

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