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So at one time there were AFK sex places all over and in the past several months I have noticed that many have shut down.There were lots of lindens being made by the afk girls. Was this just a fad that is dying out? Is there some new thing thats taking its place? Any ideas what happened there?

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52 minutes ago, crissy Carolina said:

Any ideas what happened there?

It might have turned out a bit boring after time?

Also: this thread clearly belongs in the adult subsections.

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99.973% of the time it's just the 'workers' in there and no customers...

That means the traffic scores will remain high, but if you're there you're going to see a huge 'red light district' but only 1 john... and chances are about even that he never leaves the landing spot.

 

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12 hours ago, crissy Carolina said:

There were lots of lindens being made by the afk girls. Was this just a fad that is dying out?

Not quite... most of 'afk girls' are BBK (boys behind keyboard)… scratching for those few L$ going round.

IMHO... only, of course, not that I know anything!

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1 hour ago, TechDave said:

most of 'afk girls' are BBK (boys behind keyboard)…

Does it matter if they're AFK (away from keyboard)?

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4 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

99.973% of the time it's just the 'workers' in there and no customers...

Yes. Someone set up a gay AFK place in a skybox near me. Suddenly there were 9 avatars in the sim - 8 AFKs, and a bot to supervise them. Never saw a customer avi. In two months it was gone.

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25 minutes ago, animats said:

In two months it was gone.

Historically that is how it goes for 90% of clubs in SL whatever type.   Person thinks Oh I can have a club. It looks easy and fun.  I'll just build it, throw some money at it and they will come and I will make lots of money.   Within 2-3 months they realise not only does it cost them money but the work involved in actually running a successful venue is hard.  

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Maybe those places should ask the workers to dress up as corpses. Put the workers in freshly dug graves. Cater to the necrophiliacs. 😱

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6 minutes ago, Bree Giffen said:

Maybe those places should ask the workers to dress up as corpses. Put the workers in freshly dug graves. Cater to the necrophiliacs. 😱

 

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On 1/2/2019 at 7:55 AM, Cindy Evanier said:

Historically that is how it goes for 90% of clubs in SL whatever type.   Person thinks Oh I can have a club. It looks easy and fun.  I'll just build it, throw some money at it and they will come and I will make lots of money.   Within 2-3 months they realise not only does it cost them money but the work involved in actually running a successful venue is hard.  

Stupid question, but how exactly do clubs in SL make money? Group joining fees? I've never been much of an SL clubber...I used to spend a lot of time in one particular place and I would donate to support it, but it was perfectly possible to get the full benefits without spending a linden. 

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11 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

Stupid question, but how exactly do clubs in SL make money? Group joining fees? I've never been much of an SL clubber...I used to spend a lot of time in one particular place and I would donate to support it, but it was perfectly possible to get the full benefits without spending a linden. 

Club owners typically get a tip jar %,, and/or rental income from parcels near club.

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11 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

Stupid question, but how exactly do clubs in SL make money?

They don't make money.  It's an expensive hobby done for love.  Club donations go a little towards expenses but rarely will a club make enough to cover all the expenses. (tier/equipment/advertising etc)  

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I just made a post about this in the other adult sub-forum.  The AFK industry feels like it's slowing down, but that might be due to the holidays, or just a general decline in SL too.  I've seen less traffic overall in the last 3-5 months though.  I'm talking about less clients, not the afk dolls (plenty of these).  I'm guessing because sim owners started enforcing bans on non-tippers.  This might have sounded like a good idea, but there are many downsides to it too, such as disconnections or sim restarts.  It's too much of a risk to tip L$100 or L$200, only to have a sim restart in 60 seconds, right after you tipped.  There's also the problem of crappy animations on furniture.  I've had some guys tell me that they wished the animations on furniture were better, but they end up tipping anyway so they won't get banned.  I don't know what the solution is though.  It might just end up slowing down to a crawl until another popular trend takes it's place.

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1 hour ago, femhalf said:

It's too much of a risk to tip L$100 or L$200, only to have a sim restart in 60 seconds, right after you tipped.  There's also the problem of crappy animations on furniture.  I've had some guys tell me that they wished the animations on furniture were better, but they end up tipping anyway so they won't get banned. 

I don’t understand.

1. Are you banning non-tippers?

2. What is the “risk” of someone tipping right before a region simulator restart?

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11 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I don’t understand.

1. Are you banning non-tippers?

2. What is the “risk” of someone tipping right before a region simulator restart?

They're saying that AFK places in general have started banning non-tippers, and I assume the risk is that their fun will be cut short because the sim is going down... to which I would say "just tip after," to which they might say "but then you could get banned!!" and I would respond with "good, let them kill their business."

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56 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I don’t understand.

1. Are you banning non-tippers?

2. What is the “risk” of someone tipping right before a region simulator restart?

Ok, so here's an example..

  • Person A tips $100 to use an afk person.
  • Five minutes later, the sim restarts.
  • If the sim restarts, Person A logs back in, but the tip jar is reset to $0.
  • Person A could be banned if the sim owner or managers didn't see him tip the first time.

I'm not sure how being an owner or manager works though, so i'm assuming they might keep logs on who tips?  I'm not saying this is the main cause either, but i'm just guessing this is one of the various reasons why the industry is slowing down.  I could be totally wrong though. lol.

edit:  Oh, i forgot to add that the afk doll is also logged out automatically after a sim restart, since they were likely afk or sleeping.  So there's that problem too.

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It is surely not dead for me. I just tried my first AFK (or as close to AFK I could be since I had the monitor on while I was reading an article:) at this place called Caroline's Mansion that I read about here. I had two patrons come to me and tipped me. Earned my first tip and this was, surprisingly, one of the most incredibly erotic experience I had. I can think of trying it out again:) 

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Are they dieing out in general? Nope there is still a lot of them. Do all of them last long? Nope they often die out in a few weeks or months and often are replaced by new ones that think they can do it better. Sometimes these new ones actually do last longer than the old one. And some have lasted the test of time just because the owner keeps it there because they want to, not because it makes them any profit doing so. Not every sim run in sl is for profit. Some it's just a hobby and for fun.

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Some points to clarify

  • Most AFK bans on non tippers are truly to people who play and not pay. The tip jars send messages and also you have transaction logs on your SL account, so even if a SIM restarts or anything else that they use as excuse, you can see if at one point they tipped.
  • Usually a ban happens after repeated offense.
  • The furniture was bad quality is not a valid excuse if we can see you used a girl for 30 minutes (there's ways to tell yes...)
  • As AFK sim owner you make money in several ways
    • A percentage of the tip jars (10% to 20% is common)
    • Renting out private rooms to sex workers (weekly income)
    • Setting up advertisement boards at the landing zone (that probably made most income on my entire AFK sim in the past
  • Most AFK models are not just random guys placing their alts on a sim. A large part of the models are not fully AFK and variate between AFK if they are really away, and do emoted play when they are available. Some of the models are even main avies, not alts. If they are rl male or female I can not judge of course, but there's a lot of socializing and activity going on.
  • A good earning AFK doll easily requires investing 20k+ in body, huds and everything needed to make you stand out. You don't simply just create an alt and drop it on a sim and make money.

I ran my own place for over a year, then I was needed in RL full time so I closed doors. If you want to spend a lot of time and effort in running a place, well moderated, up to date furniture, good quality models and so on, you can still do well and make a nice proffit. Its definitly not going to make you rich. I averaged about 8k per week profit during the better months with a 50 to 70k traffic sim. But that required a lot of time and also investing back into new furniture and other stuff. There are easier ways to earn money. If you do it, do it for fun, else it will burn you out in no time.

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It was a fad that people were creating tons and tons of AFK sims because they thought they could profit off of it. Building in SL is also a fun challenge and people do like to pursue trying to create new sims. In spite of the supply of AFK sims, there wasn't actually an increased demand to keep them afloat, or they got bored/didn't have the time. So we're simply seeing the bubble pop if the AFK places have indeed reduced in quantity. However I do not believe that they are dead, they are back in equilibrium. I've done the AFK doll thing now and again and my tips were about same as when I started at the sim I have been using.

There are a number of ways for prospective courtesans to solicit clients: adboards at sims to encourage IMs; simply being present in a club which permits you to have escort advertising titles, profile features, and pick up clients IMing you for such; being in a brothel or strip-club proper as an employee; and lastly sitting at an AFK sim waiting for people to IM or take liberties. As Zeta said it is not entirely AFK. In many places in SL it may seem like the sim is dead when in fact everyone is whispering to each other. If an AFK sim seems to have a lot of Johns passing through it's likely that some of them are getting a little more than a passive poseball experience, and this can be reflected in much higher tips than the 10L, 20L, or 50L courtesy tips people leave.

I know how to make a moderately successful AFK doll and could clone it and use it effectively for perhaps 5000L, to make a top of the line human one will be much more costly. I'd be looking at expected revenue of 200L per week hands off, while I eat the cost of leaving a computer running which nullifies profit if I only have 1 doll out. If you consider there to be any profit margin for it it's actually incredibly slim, in time and money invested for sim owner and afk doll alike. So once you get past the fad of it, and initial novel attraction, it's just another small niche in the mosaic of SL.

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