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2 minutes ago, ImaTest said:

That's all had to say

Merry Christmas all, and to all a good night.

good morning :)   8 am here

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4 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

If I'm not mistaken, these are the same two or three that started the same bs on SLU some months back. If not, these are no different from the others. SSDD.

There's a trade off. On SLU/VVO, I can heap all the invective I please in no uncertain terms.

Here, when the matter hits the propeller, LL does the hammering. But it's a fine show to (silently) watch.

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26 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

If I'm not mistaken, these are the same two or three that started the same bs on SLU some months back

Could be. But running a club, I see them a lot. There are a lot of unhinged people in SL.

I usually help them with an estate ban to make sure they can't be triggered any more.

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1 hour ago, Selene Gregoire said:

If I'm not mistaken, these are the same two or three that started the same bs on SLU some months back. If not, these are no different from the others. SSDD.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me one iota and if so, just means they couldn't stand the heat/push back they got there so came crying here where they cannot be responded to in kind.

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Wait, we spent 12 pages arguing with some clown complaining about rape roleplay at a sim called "Chicago Biker Gang Bang"?

There's some major Poe's Law going on here, we've either deepthroated the bait or these three need some serious professional help.

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4 hours ago, Ethan Paslong said:

it's not LL's job to do so out of the normal limits the law gives to this. It would be very convenient if they did, but don't forget our own part in this, sometimes referred to as being a adult a grown up, and act responsible as that. And thats not just "ban it, remove it"..but mainly pick wisely where you go. In RL i will never visit a red light district, never a abbatoir, never a casino, never a beerfest, never a bondage party, (however.... 😁   )..... and so on... should it be forbidden? Nah i don't think so. Should it be forbidden in SL...gosh... a big NO.
 

Please, please do not patronise me or attempt to imply that I'm advocating banning things I simply don't like. It's disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

I'm not advocating banning distasteful but consensual role play or sims. I've been super clear on that. (Although as a private company, LL does have the right to refuse to hose them if it wants.) I AM in favour of LL growing a pair and deleting groups that are dedicated purely to non-consensual hate speech that arguably spills over into violent hate speech. Several people have tried to suggest that they can't do this because the entire free world will fall down. If that's true, publishers, bloggers and newspaper editors are obliged to publish all novels, poems and letters that are sent to them. Which they clearly are not. LL has banned users for stealing Lindens or being too rude on the forums, so I'm not buying this idea that it can't possibly moderate hate groups when they're reported. And the poster who suggested that perhaps the ARs weren't high enough quality - what a weaselly copout! It was such a pathetic excuse that it made me begin to wonder what the person's real motivation was.

I shared the stories of the men who tried, against my clear limits, to RP cutting off my ***** and slitting my throat, and my numerous experiences of sexual assault and harassment in RL (totally normal for women) to make the point that these hate groups are not tiny little underground cabals that we can safely ignore. These people are a minority of men, but they are not as small a minority as you may think. That's why I take it seriously. If you've not been exposed to this, lucky you. 

 

4 hours ago, Ethan Paslong said:


And to go back to the subject here, the fact that people get their RL feelings triggered by a SL RP doesn't really apply to any rule or law to protect people. The term Adult and also the parcel info should be the warning not to go there. A bit like a system many countries have for movies, if you don't like violence, watch the symbol... and dont watch.. if you don't like faul language, again watch the symbol... and don't watch...
If you really want to erase all content people are offendedn by ;  combat, WW1 WW2, medieval, royals families and other RP's have to be banned too, away with families, furries, robots, ....and i'm offended by blue tartans ... this is not how the world works.


Was this still directed at me? It's refuting things that I've gone out of my way to refute myself. I've explicitly stated several times that I don't object to consensual role-play, and I hope my posts indicate that I am intelligent enough not to seek out content that I find distressing. (Stumbled on a vore sim the other day, thought "effing sick freaks" and TP-ed right out. See, I can do it.) I thought I'd alluded to this clearly enough in my posts but maybe I need to be explicit: I have myself engaged in rape role-play, in SL and RL, and other things that I know a lot of people are not into. So you don't need to explain the concept to me, thank you.

I am simply making the clear distinction between consensual interactive content that not everybody likes, and non-consensual overt hate speech against protected characteristics. In other words, groups that gather together for the sole purpose of spewing hate against people for being female, gay, black, Jewish, etc. Some posters say they can't make the distinction (and may I suggest that you never have those people round for Christmas dinner). I certainly can, just as I can make the distinction between real and fantasy rape. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 

ETA: Hilarious. LL can't be expected to moderate hate speech groups, that would be against FREEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUM. But it's totally fine to automatically censor the F word and the correct term for a part of the female anatomy.

 

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11 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

ETA: Hilarious. LL can't be expected to moderate hate speech groups, that would be against FREEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUM. But it's totally fine to automatically censor the F word

The forums are mostly a G rated space that is supposed to be safe. Go back one page and you can see why it's needed.

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9 hours ago, SteffiiSugabum said:

Then don't try restrict our free-speech of our opinion of whether rape RP is acceptable in SL. 

I am not trying to restrict your free speech, you are free to express your wrong opinions all day long, just realize that when you express a wrong opinion, people are going to tell you. That is how the truth is advanced through free speech. People say wrong things, other people correct them.

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43 minutes ago, Talligurl said:

I am not trying to restrict your free speech, you are free to express your wrong opinions all day long, just realize that when you express a wrong opinion, people are going to tell you. That is how the truth is advanced through free speech. People say wrong things, other people correct them.

Lol what exactly is wrong about my opinion that Rape RP isn't beneficial in SL? If anybody can't live without Rape RP in SL. Well you do you, but I wouldn't go boosting about it.

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6 hours ago, Callum Meriman said:

Disagreement is not restriction.

Not saying disagreement is restriction. It's the aggression, name calling, being judgemental etc that's an attempt to restrict people.

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18 minutes ago, SteffiiSugabum said:

Lol what exactly is wrong about my opinion that Rape RP isn't beneficial in SL? If anybody can't live without Rape RP in SL. Well you do you, but I wouldn't go boosting about it.

What is wrong is when we start restricting ideas and telling people who are not actually doing physical harm to others that they cannot do that, we become  the thought police,and  once you start down that slope you never know what evil will eventually come of it. I agree with you that rape roleplay isn't beneficial, but i think censorship is even worse.

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Greetings all!

This thread is now locked.

If you believe that content in Second Life should be banned, you are encouraged to submit your concerns about that content to the Linden Lab corporate office, to the attention of the Legal Department. 

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