Storm Clarence Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I asked my friend Bebe to stop by my sim for a chat. I have a wonderful parcel on a winter sim on Sansara. We seemed to really warm to each other over the course of a couple of hours chatting. I really like her, but (there is always a but) her fiends do not like me at all. And we discussed this. She seemed to have some issue of betraying her friends because of the pressure she felt from them to terminate her friendship with me. In the beginning we talked past this issue, but as the evening went on and it got kind of late she wanted to head home. I really wanted her to stay - and I felt she, too, didn't really want to leave. Our conversation went something like this: For context, I merged our IM’s - she is chatting first and my reply follows. I really can't stay - Bebe it's cold outside I've got to go away - Bebe it's cold outside This evening has been - Been hoping that you'd drop in So very nice - I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice My friends will start to worry - Beautiful, what's your hurry My roommate will be pacing the floor - Listen to the fireplace roar So really I'd better scurry - Beautiful, please don't hurry Well Maybe just a half a drink more - Put some records on while I pour The neighbors might think - Bebe, it's bad out there Say, what's in this drink - No sleds to be had out there I wish I knew how - Your eyes are like starlight now To break this spell - I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell I ought to say no, no, no, sir - Mind if I move a little closer At least I'm gonna say that I tried - What's the sense in hurting my pride I really can't stay - Bebe don't hold out Ahh, but it's cold outside| C'mon bebe I simply must go - Bebe, it's cold outside The answer is no - Ooh bebe, it's cold outside This welcome has been - I'm lucky that you dropped in So nice and warm -- Look out the window at that storm Paddy will be suspicious - Man, your lips look so delicious Lilith will be there at the door - Waves upon a tropical shore My friends minds are vicious - Gosh your lips look delicious Well maybe just a cigarette more - Never such a blizzard before I've got to get home - Oh, bebe, you'll freeze out there Say, lend me your coat - It's up to your knees out there You've really been grand - Your eyes are like starlight now But don't you see - How can you do this thing to me There's bound to be talk tomorrow - Making my life long sorrow At least there will be plenty implied - If you caught pneumonia and died I really can't stay - Get over that old out Ahh, but it's cold outside Bebe it's cold outsid Brr it's cold... It's cold out there Can't you stay awhile longer Bebe Well... I really shouldn't... alright Make it worth your while BebeAhh, do that again.. So she stayed, and we had a wonderful evening on this beautiful winter sim on Sansara. Fade to today: her friends are trying to ban me from Sansara. What’s your opinion? 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindal Kidd Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Best ever answer to those who find "Baby, It's Cold Outside" offensive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbuBubZ1yE 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus Petrov Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Who could resist such a sweet-talkin' guy. Of course Bebe will rule in your favor and explain (gently, patiently) to her friends that you're not the dude they think you are. My advice is to throw a party and invite Bebe and her friends. That hot tub in the snow would be a good gathering place (clothing optional?--maybe not this party). Some good food, drink and conversation might do the trick as it worked on Bebe, eh? P.S. Don't ask why I know about that hot tub. |: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekmate Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Or read this: http://persephonemagazine.com/2010/12/listening-while-feminist-in-defense-of-baby-its-cold-outside/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindy Evanier Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Derekmate said: Or read this: http://persephonemagazine.com/2010/12/listening-while-feminist-in-defense-of-baby-its-cold-outside/ I read that last week. Its good but I like this 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) I have to admit to being a little tired, and even bored, by discussions of this song. And that's because, in large measure, those who evoke it aren't all that interested in the complexities of the song itself: what they are instead doing is using it as a sort of litmus test. Which side are you on? Nail your colours to the pole! Are you for or against? Are you a misogynist, or a SJW? What a dumb way to talk about it. And what a pointless hill to choose to die on. In addition to being charming, funny, and kind of sweet -- and yeah, it IS all of those things -- it also should be understood as a sort of historical document, an interesting re-enactment (albeit through rose-coloured glasses) of the kinds of negotiations in which women once had to engage in order to express their own sexuality. But that was the 1940s, when social mores and expectations required that a woman who wished to engage in extra-marital sex required some kind of "excuse," which in this song is handily provided by the male singer. And yes, the song does veer dangerously close, without actually crossing the line, to a depiction of what euphemistically used to be called "seduction," i.e., coercion or even rape. Surely we can enjoy the song, while simultaneously understanding and acknowledging that this does not represent where we are or should be now? Liking the song is one thing; celebrating it uncritically, as though this scenario represents some kind of golden age of sexual relations that really, we should get back to, is quite another. I don't know about you, but if I want express my sexuality, I want to be able to do it openly, in my own voice, and without fear that, unless I try to find a good "excuse," I'll be labelled as "fallen woman." As for trying to silence the song . . . well, if we're going to censor all art or culture that doesn't express modern social mores, we're not going to have any art or culture left but that produced within the last 10 years or so. And in the process, we'll be losing our own history, and reducing the complexity of lived human experience to a series of bland prescriptions. This is where we came from. Play the song! Sing it! Enjoy it! Just don't imagine that we're ever going to go back to a time where it could be seen as a normative exemplification of the social position of women. Edited December 11, 2018 by Scylla Rhiadra 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Gregoire Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Does this mean the OP actually had a point other than being threatened with a sim ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klytyna Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Selene Gregoire said: Does this mean the OP actually had a point other than being threatened with a sim ban? Silly... He's an old lastnamer, and certainly old enough to know that some "chicks" circle of friends can't get him banned from an entire Madlands continent simply for being addicted to Alpha-Male Superiority BS... He's just started this thread to try and stir up a row with "feminazi-sjws who deny the superiority of the Alpha Male" over that 1940's song. Posting history is so important when understanding the purpose of "oddball threads". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, Klytyna said: He's just started this thread to try and stir up a row with "feminazi-sjws Mhmm, he was this one in Scylla's baldness thread... 16 hours ago, Storm Clarence said: I am establishing the superiority of the alpha male when it comes to friends - as your OP asked in discussion. What I wrote is a fact, and there are no alpha males who find this distasteful. Alpha's survive on friendships and leadership. My friends are my friends and there are other alpha's in our circle - we don't contend for superiority - we enjoy our friendships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Brrr. Bebe, it's getting cold in this thread, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Storm Clarence said: Brrr. Bebe, it's getting cold in this thread, as well. @Madelaine McMasters can easily change that, don't provoke her to do so. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibiusa Ling Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I find it interesting how people tend to pick on a single thing, such as this song, when there are so many examples of something that could be taken completely wrongly out there in the world that never seems to receive much attention. Lets look at a Johnny Cash song called I''m On Fire. The lyrics start as : "Hey little girl is your daddy homeDid he go away and leave you all aloneI got a bad desireI'm on fire" I mean....if you read ALL of the lyrics for that song....COULD be taken as being pretty rapey and even pedophile like. How do you decide which songs to hate and which to like. And why is it such an issue that a song from the 1940s has the content it does when you take it as being a product of its era. Up until very recently (and some cases still modern) tv shows were rife with racism, sexism, rape jokes, transphobia, homophobia...take your pick. Yet most of this gets ignored for a random ass song from the 1940s?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hexem Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Baby it's bad out there Say what's in this drink Baby it's cold out there I really should say no Baby it's cold out there I really should go Baby it's cold out there I'm slurrin' my wordths Baby it's cold out there I'm having can't trooble rhymes Baby it's cold out there Everyfing's fuzzy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, chibiusa Ling said: Lets look at a Johnny Cash song called I''m On Fire. Now you lost all respect I ever had for you... The late Cash may have covered the Springsteen classic, .... duh the youth of today... "We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents." inscription on an Chaldean tablet, as translated by Prof. Patrick Edited December 12, 2018 by Fionalein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibiusa Ling Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fionalein said: Now you lost all respect I ever had for you... The late Cash may have covered the Springsteen classic, .... duh the youth of today... "We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents." inscription on an Chaldean tablet, as translated by Prof. Patrick My apologies, I will brush up more on my "old people" music in future 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) Ah well, if we are gunna pick on old songs based on one verse (hey what's in this drink), then even this song is really very dubious... Quote No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, The French one is worse btw. Quote Qu'un sang impur Abreuve nos sillons! Edited December 13, 2018 by Callum Meriman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Fionalein said: @Madelaine McMasters can easily change that, don't provoke her to do so. I would never, ever even think of FLAMING Madelaine McMasters: the absolute master of flaming! I know it's cold outside, but if posting history has anything to do with circumstance, I will relent. And I am penitent. Edited December 13, 2018 by Storm Clarence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelindaN Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 It's a classic song from the era in which it belongs. Nothing more to see here.....move along please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikka Luik Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 @Callum Meriman Marchons.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaineanderson Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) Edited December 13, 2018 by Klaineanderson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 It's really easy for that song to get stuck in my head.. like the last 5 days it's gotten stuck in there at the very least once a day.. hehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellestones Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 11:15 AM, Scylla Rhiadra said: ... it also should be understood as a sort of historical document, an interesting re-enactment (albeit through rose-coloured glasses) of the kinds of negotiations in which women once had to engage in order to express their own sexuality. But that was the 1940s, when social mores and expectations required that a woman who wished to engage in extra-marital sex required some kind of "excuse," ... ^^ yeah that ^^ is still a few people today who think there is something wrong with women who say yes to sex when asked straight out. And something more wrong, evil even, with women who just flat out ask first 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Wasn't that song made for a movie, a musical.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, ellestones said: ^^ yeah that ^^ is still a few people today who think there is something wrong with women who say yes to sex when asked straight out. And something more wrong, evil even, with women who just flat out ask first Of course it's wrong, they might have asked others before asking them... It is all part of the "men who had much partners are to be admired, women who had more partners are to be despised" bigottery. Edited December 16, 2018 by Fionalein 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Fionalein said: Of course it's wrong, they might have asked others before asking them... It is all part of the "men who had much partners are to be admired, women who had more partners are to be despised" bigottery. Dunno about that, I’m pretty reluctant to tell people I’ve lost count of RL partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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