Men Not Liking Men: The Shocking Truth about Male-Pattern Loneliness in SL!

[ellestones]

2 hours ago, KanryDrago said:

I am not referring here to google but time in our legislature and adverts etc. I am all for stopping domestic abuse whoever it is against.

http://www.mankind.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Refuges-for-Male-Victims-of-Domestic-Abuse-Briefing-July-2016.pdf

will show you I think what I mean. I am of the opinion all domestic abuse needs to end not merely certain types. I call that equality

i read the paper linked to. and looked into it a bit

from a reading of available UK government programmes for victims of domestic abuse and violence then what government funding is provided, is on a gender-neutral basis. For example, the funding guidelines for victims requiring alternative housing. The principal issue raised in the paper

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/homelessness-code-of-guidance-for-local-authorities/chapter-21-domestic-abuse

a reading of this shows that at least on the equality aspect of government funding, the UK government has got this right

my main take out from the Mankind paper is that the current level of government funding for both men and women victims is not enough to adequately meet the actual need

the other reference Mankind makes to funding, is for research. The paper doesn't provide any details on what the current level of research funding is, just that it is not enough. This said tho, under-funding of research is a legitimate concern. When research funding is inadequate then that has influence on the UK local councils who are required to make informed decisions when authorising funding grants to the victim support providers. Mankind does acknowledge that the councils are improving their informative decision-making processes, however I would be supportive of any increase in research funding when the outcome helps to improve decision-making

[Phil Deakins]

I changed my mind.

ETA: I'd written and posted a normal post here, but I changed my mind about posting it at all, so I deleted its contents.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Phil Deakins

[Klytyna]

27 minutes ago, JJack Montreal said:

What is absurd is women and beta males talking about men like if you were specialists. You are the end of a civilization while this current degeneration think they are progress. Roman had all those social symptoms as well,  at the end.

Actually, the problem with Rome was...

Arrogant Alpha-male wannabes who thought sitting on their lardy backsides in the Flavian amphitheater, eating free food, while watching slaves kill each other made them "real men" but who wouldn't DREAM of enlisting in the damn legions to keep the "real alpha males" from the Steppes out of Roman territory...

So the provinces peeled away, the economy went down the toilet, and the "alpha male wannabe braggarts" who went on and on about how macho they were for watching gladiators die, and sat on their lardy backsides complaining that the provincials in the Legions hadn't stopped the enemy yet.

If you are going to claim Rome, as an argument in favour of your Misogynistic and Homophobic Web-Hero Alpha-Wannabe posturing, might I suggest you actually go away and LEARN something about Rome first...

And no that doesn't mean watching historically inaccurate sword and sandals miniseries with bare boobies on HBO.

 

[Callum Meriman]

5 hours ago, ellestones said:

Jack is maybe taking his view from news sources that have recently reported on the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) latest annual survey. Probably news sources selectively headlining that the statistical life expectancy of US men is declining, with no mention that it is also declining for US white women

 a significant contribution to the decline being more deaths due to opiod overdose and suicide in recent years comparative to previous years. Whats also not mentioned by news sources that selectively headline, is that since 1999 (when the CDC report was first available) the rate of suicide for US men has increased by 26%. While for US women it has increased by 53%

I had to look and was actually incredibly surprised just how poor life expectancy is in the USA, number 31 in the list.

Suicide is some of it, the rate is much higher in the USA than most countries of the world, yet the push for gender equality is somewhat worldwide. So I doubt there is a correlation at all as some suggested between "feminazis" and suicide. More likely then the drive for gender equality being a cause is the USA's lack of social health care, the gun culture, and other socio-economic reasons all working to knock 5 years of everyone's life there, both female and male.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Callum Meriman

[JJack Montreal]

31 minutes ago, Klytyna said:

Actually, the problem with Rome was...

Arrogant Alpha-male wannabes who thought sitting on their lardy backsides in the Flavian amphitheater, eating free food, while watching slaves kill each other made them "real men" but who wouldn't DREAM of enlisting in the damn legions to keep the "real alpha males" from the Steppes out of Roman territory...

So the provinces peeled away, the economy went down the toilet, and the "alpha male wannabe braggarts" who went on and on about how macho they were for watching gladiators die, and sat on their lardy backsides complaining that the provincials in the Legions hadn't stopped the enemy yet.

If you are going to claim Rome, as an argument in favour of your Misogynistic and Homophobic Web-Hero Alpha-Wannabe posturing, might I suggest you actually go away and LEARN something about Rome first...

And no that doesn't mean watching historically inaccurate sword and sandals miniseries with bare boobies on HBO.

 

Unfortunatly for you i know enough about rome and  no its not mysoginystic ***** as you claim, but why i am not surprise that *****ty argument used, again, by a wamen.. or wannabe wamen. Anyway. What kill Rome is the ratio roman/slave that was 1:1 as well as the roman wamen did their feminazism too and wanted privilege so the birth rate ratio plummeted below the minimal 1.3. The mysogynecologic thing you mention is a recent mental meltdown by wamen and their beta pets, its quite recent. But one think for sure, its not you that will teach me something about Rome, you barely leave your computer Klytotyna. The worst thing was the welfare state, like most of you, wannabe wamen, enjoy. That was the final nail in their coffin. So Klytotyna better luck next time.

Edited December 2, 2018 by JJack Montreal

[Klytyna]

24 minutes ago, JJack Montreal said:

Unfortunatly for you i know enough about rome

And yet, your previous claim and the rest of this latest post prove that you do not...

24 minutes ago, JJack Montreal said:

What kill Rome is the ratio roman/slave that was 1:1

Actually, no, first of all the ratio of free citizens to slaves didn't kill off Rome, cheap slave labour made Rome extremely prosperous, and allowed it to field massive tax funded professional armies...

And the reason Rome switched over to professional full time soldiers rather than part time citizen militia, around 105 b.c.e by order of the Consul Marius, was because they couldn't get enough volunteers from those prosperous enough to pay for their own war gear, to fill the ranks.

Mainly because the "real roman men" were too busy sitting on their butts watching gladiators and boasting about how manly it was to eat snack food while watching slaves die...

Salaried professionals recruited from the poorest part of the population were far more reliable than the "concerned right thinking citizens".

24 minutes ago, JJack Montreal said:

as well as the roman wamen did their feminazism too and wanted privilege

There's no evidence of "feminazism" in rome, Roman women had almost no privilege, many didn't even have a proper first name, being simply referred to by a feminised version of the family name. Women didn't vote, arranged marriages were common. I don't know where you are seeing "feminazism" in Roman history, been watching American Actresses spout un-historical lines on HBO mini series again?

24 minutes ago, JJack Montreal said:

The mysogynecologic thing you mention is a recent mental meltdown by wamen and their beta pets, its quite recent

Actually, the misogyny and homophobia I was referring to is YOURS, the whole "feminazis and their beta pets" not-real men thing. But you are right, it is recent, earlier in this thread in fact.

24 minutes ago, JJack Montreal said:

But one think for sure, its not you that will teach me something about Rome, you barely leave your computer Klytotyna.

The expression is "one thing's for sure".

Nobody will teach you anything about Rome, because you don't listen, and how often I use a computer has no bearing on you being arrogant, ignorant, misogynistic, homophobic, religiously bigoted, and most of all historically WRONG.

Oh, and learn to read peoples names...

 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Klytyna

[JJack Montreal]

5 minutes ago, Klytyna said:

Oh, and learn to read peoples names...

Yeah voluntary dyslexia

[Callum Meriman]

IBTL'ing it.

[Selene Gregoire]

Anybody seen my hip waders? Getting kind of deep in here.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

*sigh*

[MoiraKathleen]

Some of these discussions remind me of the ball bouncing around in a pinball machine - you never know where the topic is going to veer off to .  This one has veered off into a lot of areas that might be interesting to discuss, but not all as part of the same thread (or even in this forum, perhaps). 

[Love Zhaoying]

7 hours ago, KanryDrago said:

There is also the implicit assumption here that a high mortality rate is bad which is not necessarily true

Guess what? The real mortality rate is 100%.

[ellestones]

2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

*sigh*

we made it to 11 pages and we are still here. And it hasn't derailed all that much. Wellm apart from the occasional driveby from the odd roman and maybe a parthian or two. But 11 pages of quite substantive discussion is pretty good

[Skell Dagger]

Someone once said, right here in these forums:

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More seriously now, just want to spend good time with friends, male or female, dont mind who you are and how you enjoy SL, as long you a good soul oriented, i dont hang with evil and bitchy people, I dont mind the person behind the avatar, to me in SL i just want to share with the soul behind it. So i dont neither mind gay friends but dont expect me to hang at gay place oftenly

Wonder what happened to that person?

[Callum Meriman]

6 minutes ago, Skell Dagger said:

Wonder what happened to that person?

I think they also said

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And be aware gay female...Im so funny that you will surely turn hetero

 

[Skell Dagger]

It's so familiar... can't put my finger on it, though...

[Maitimo]

So I am gonna ignore the last 10 pages and address just the OP's original question with a data-point.

I am male in both SL and RL, I'm also gay. My SL friendslist is about 70% gay men (though I know for sure that at least some of those have female or pre-transition trans-male typists at the keyboard, because I've heard some of them on voice). I think the reason my friend list skews towards gay men is because I tend to hang out most in places aimed at gay men, so that's the category of people I meet the most. Almost all of the women on my friendslist are people I've met through the Virtual Ability community in SL.

What I don't tend to do is IM people on my friends list and have long conversations with them (except for one friend in particular). I think that is fairly typical of men in general, especially ones of my generation (age 40+). We talk and gather together when there's a specific reason for it, but rarely for the sole purpose of "just connecting".  I think this is mostly true in RL as well.

 

[Selene Gregoire]

8 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

*sigh*

[Scylla Rhiadra]

11 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:

Sharesies?

[LittleMe Jewell]

10 hours ago, Callum Meriman said:

I had to look and was actually incredibly surprised just how poor life expectancy is in the USA, number 31 in the list.

Suicide is some of it, the rate is much higher in the USA than most countries of the world, yet the push for gender equality is somewhat worldwide. So I doubt there is a correlation at all as some suggested between "feminazis" and suicide. More likely then the drive for gender equality being a cause is the USA's lack of social health care, the gun culture, and other socio-economic reasons all working to knock 5 years of everyone's life there, both female and male.

Per the CDC's 2017 statistics, 8 of the top 10 causes of death are medical issues.  The exceptions being #3 accidents and #10 suicides.  Thus we could probably reverse the life expectancy decline by fixing our screwed up health care system and educating people, early in life, on healthy living in order to reduce things like diabetes and heart disease..

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

 

[LittleMe Jewell]

8 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Sharesies?

Take your pick

[Selene Gregoire]

13 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Sharesies?

I don't particularly care for martinis. They're all yours. 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Selene Gregoire

[Storm Clarence]

Hello Scylla.  

The construct you present is flawed at its most basic level.  

In SL, as in real life there are two types of males (regardless of what facebook box you check): the alpha male, and everyone else.  

The alpha male.  Other men want to hang with them and women want to go out with them (regardless of what SL box you check).  

The alpha male has many friends: male and female, strong and weak, green and blue - and he is loyal to each.
In today’s climate the alpha male faces different challenges, but he is a leader and he is successful in what he is and does.  He will always stay true to his friends (male and female) and they know this of him.  

To this end, I can read from your OP that you just don’t get this - and you probably never will.  It's OK as you are not a male, however I can only request that you cease trying to effeminize the male ‘figure’.

[JJack Montreal]

4 hours ago, Skell Dagger said:

Someone once said, right here in these forums:

Wonder what happened to that person?

This guy is dead.

[Sassy Kenin]

37 minutes ago, Storm Clarence said:

Hello Scylla.  

The construct you present is flawed at its most basic level.  

In SL, as in real life there are two types of males (regardless of what facebook box you check): the alpha male, and everyone else.  

The alpha male.  Other men want to hang with them and women want to go out with them (regardless of what SL box you check).  

The alpha male has many friends: male and female, strong and weak, green and blue - and he is loyal to each.
In today’s climate the alpha male faces different challenges, but he is a leader and he is successful in what he is and does.  He will always stay true to his friends (male and female) and they know this of him.  

To this end, I can read from your OP that you just don’t get this - and you probably never will.  It's OK as you are not a male, however I can only request that you cease trying to effeminize the male ‘figure’.

Alphas are great, if you're are only looking for a fast low brow hook-up with a Chad /Tyrone type.🙂 while yes Beta is the nice guy who will always finish last!

10 Values Of The Sigma Male

1. No need to prove anything 2. Autonomy 3. Ideological independence 4. Intellect 5. Adaptability 6. Solitude 7. Introspection 8. Civil Disobedience 9. Winning by not playing 10. Silence is golden.

 

https://www.girlschase.com/content/sigma-male-alternative-being-alpha-male

 

 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Shansi Kenin
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