Men Not Liking Men: The Shocking Truth about Male-Pattern Loneliness in SL!

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

its also to do with the prevalence of guns, the facts that the us roads are less safe than most countries (eg ten times the road deaths of the uk with mabye 4 times the population) obesity, the lack of affordable health care etc

I was quoting info from the news. I don’t disagree on guns, but that is both obvious and political so forbidden to discuss.

[Love Zhaoying]

51 minutes ago, ellestones said:

Jack is maybe taking his view from news sources that have recently reported on the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) latest annual survey. Probably news sources selectively headlining that the statistical life expectancy of US men is declining, with no mention that it is also declining for US white women

a significant contribution to the decline being more deaths due to opiod overdose and suicide in recent years comparative to previous years. Whats also not mentioned by news sources that selectively headline, is that since 1999 (when the CDC report was first available) the rate of suicide for US men has increased by 26%. While for US women it has increased by 53%

i won't link to anything, as most reputable news sources have reported on this. Search for news on keyword: US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

I did not hear anything selective about men vs. women, just overall rate. Maybe different news sources.

[KanryDrago]

1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I was quoting info from the news. I don’t disagree on guns, but that is both obvious and political so forbidden to discuss.

There is also the implicit assumption here that a high mortality rate is bad which is not necessarily true

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

Thanks for the info, but what I was really wanting was links to verify his assertion that the increased suicide was "higher in the countries where feminazi agenda is pushed into the throat of people".

I think that the point of that info is that it suggests a correlation to other factors.

Jack's contention is absurd. But even if it were not, I can't imagine how you would "prove" it, beyond suggest that correlation = causation (which, of course, it does not).

[Luna Bliss]

1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Jack's contention is absurd. But even if it were not, I can't imagine how you would "prove" it, beyond suggest that correlation = causation (which, of course, it does not).

Yes his assertion is absurd, and I was simply pointing out to him that this is a distortion in his mind regarding the role of "feminazis".

[Scylla Rhiadra]

8 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Yes his assertion is absurd, and I was simply pointing out to him that this is a distortion in his mind regarding the role of "feminazis".

Not worth it, Luna. I will engage with reasonable, thoughtful people who have ideas of their own to offer, and are susceptible to rational argument.

Trying to contend with troglydites merely results in a lot of noise. And anyone who uses the term "feminazi" without irony or scare quotes is a troglydite.

[KanryDrago]

Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Not worth it, Luna. I will engage with reasonable, thoughtful people who have ideas of their own to offer, and are susceptible to rational argument.

Trying to contend with troglydites merely results in a lot of noise. And anyone who uses the term "feminazi" without irony or scare quotes is a troglydite.

In some cases the term feminazi is justified Scylla there are undoubtedly those that post here that fit that bill. 

[ellestones]

12 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I did not hear anything selective about men vs. women, just overall rate. Maybe different news sources.

yes. Some sources have reported only on the uptick in the numbers for men. Jack may frequent sites where there is a preponderance of such male bias articles. If so then is not surprising that Jack believes as he does

[Luna Bliss]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

15 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Yes his assertion is absurd, and I was simply pointing out to him that this is a distortion in his mind regarding the role of "feminazis".

Not worth it, Luna. I will engage with reasonable, thoughtful people who have ideas of their own to offer, and are susceptible to rational argument.

Trying to contend with troglydites merely results in a lot of noise. And anyone who uses the term "feminazi" without irony or scare quotes is a troglydite.

Had to look up that word. Yeah, you're right. I got triggered. When I think of the lost potential of women through the years due to feeling inadequate or like 2nd class citizens without much worth....well...it's very sad. So many don't understand the true meaning of 'feminist'.

[Luna Bliss]

6 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

In some cases the term feminazi is justified Scylla there are undoubtedly those that post here that fit that bill.

Yes Kanry, and there are women who 'PMS-bait' men regarding their supposed PMS, but why do you keep bringing up edge cases that are in the minority?

[Luna Bliss]

lol "PMS-bait"...….first time I used that word.

[KanryDrago]

3 minutes ago, ellestones said:

yes. Some sources have reported only on the uptick in the numbers for men. Jack may frequent sites where there is a preponderance of such male bias articles. If so then is not surprising that Jack believes as he does

This is a bias endemic in our systems sometimes the stats are biassed to men sometimes women. A good example of this is domestic abuse. I don't know about the us but in the uk its always spoken of in terms of male on female. Statistically however the fact is that 30% of victims are male but you would never know there is a single male victim from the coverage or the funding.

All domestic abuse is bad and needs to stop, regardless of it being male one male, male on female, or female on female.  Talking about it as only occurring in one case however just gives grist to the mill for the male equality people and doesnt help solve the problem

[Luna Bliss]

5 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

Statistically however the fact is that 30% of victims are male but you would never know there is a single male victim from the coverage or the funding.

Some info for you Mr. Edge Case:

https://kareningalasmith.com/2013/04/29/this-thing-about-male-victims/

[KanryDrago]

I am told by pm that Luna has replied and addressed me

Luna I blocked you because you are a troll, I dont intend to respond to anything you say. You know I have blocked you why do you bother. You are merely someone with as far as I am concerned nothing to add to any conversation except obfuscation and derailement. I dont care what your point is because it never adds a single of iota of knowledge to any discussion. Why address me when you know I wont see it or reply to it

All you do is try and bait and most threads you get involved with soon descend into vitriol and get locked even though before you start posting they are pretty much civillised. While I have no idea what you said and nor do I care I am sure now you have deigned to impart your wisdom one of the Lindens will be shortly sighing and locking yet another thread

[Sassy Kenin]

Well, according to the well respected life experts at MTV, the whole "Men not liking Men' thing is toxic masculinity. 😐 My solution is to ban private estates from renting to these single withdrawn men, instead only allowing them to rent on the mainland in a large communal setting, overseen by community experts until they can rehabilitate back in to society.

 

[ellestones]

15 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

This is a bias endemic in our systems sometimes the stats are biassed to men sometimes women. A good example of this is domestic abuse. I don't know about the us but in the uk its always spoken of in terms of male on female. Statistically however the fact is that 30% of victims are male but you would never know there is a single male victim from the coverage or the funding.

when I type into google search: "domestic violence against women". I get 183 million links

when I type into google search: "domestic violence against men". I get 165 million links

so I cant see how domestic violence against men is something that we would never know from the coverage

[KanryDrago]

Just now, ellestones said:

when I type into google search: "domestic violence against women". I get 183 million links

when I type into google search: "domestic violence against men". I get 165 million links

so I cant see how domestic violence against men is something that we would never know from the coverage

I am not referring here to google but time in our legislature and adverts etc. I am all for stopping domestic abuse whoever it is against.

http://www.mankind.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Refuges-for-Male-Victims-of-Domestic-Abuse-Briefing-July-2016.pdf

will show you I think what I mean. I am of the opinion all domestic abuse needs to end not merely certain types. I call that equality

[KanryDrago]

6 minutes ago, Shansi Kenin said:

Well, according to the well respected life experts at MTV, the whole "Men not liking Men' thing is toxic masculinity. 😐 My solution is to ban private estates from renting to these single withdrawn men, instead only allowing them to rent on the mainland in a large communal setting, overseen by community experts until they can rehabilitate back in to society.

 

They should also need a woman co signer to rent I feel to make sure that they are trying to reconnect with the social mileu

sigh should point out I guess I am actually joking above

Edited December 2, 2018 by KanryDrago

[Luna Bliss]

9 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

While I have no idea what you said and nor do I care

Guess you didn't like me pointing out your erroneous stats once again. Oh well.

[Luna Bliss]

19 minutes ago, Shansi Kenin said:

"Men not liking Men' thing is toxic masculinity.

Do you think there is less toxic masculinity in your age group?  I'm imagining you're pretty young but I may be wrong...

Edited December 2, 2018 by Luna Bliss

[Luna Bliss]

When I was a teen-ager toxic masculinity was very strong, especially in my more rural fly-over state, but I was lucky to marry one of the most sensitive & emotionally expressive guys in the area I think

He was pretty much tortured in his little town on the plains by aggressive football players and super-macho farm guys who could not comprehend a sensitive nerd. He now works on the coast near San Francisco and nearly freaks out when he's forced to return to that town (relatives still live there).

I really hope things are changing and that boys are getting the message it's okay to be emotional, and that our toxic-masculinity of the past can be put to rest.

[Selene Gregoire]

Are we back on topic yet?

No?

Ok bbl. Maybe. 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

*coughs*

I have, actually, a great deal to say about so-called "toxic masculinity." (And more than a little to say about the toxic social constructs of femininity as well.)

BUT . . . in a thread that is actually designed to give space to the voices of men about their own social practices, it's probably not terribly inviting to them to find themselves being lectured at by disapproving women making generalizations about their behaviours from the outside.

I'm not sure how many more insights from men we're likely to get here, but honestly . . . can we let them speak, instead of pronouncing what we think their "problem" is?

[JJack Montreal]

2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Jack's contention is absurd.

What is absurd is women and beta males talking about men like if you were specialists. You are the end of a civilization while this current degeneration think they are progress. Roman had all those social symptoms as well,  at the end.

[Luna Bliss]

3 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I have, actually, a great deal to say about so-called "toxic masculinity."

can we let them speak, instead of pronouncing what we think their "problem" is?

lol....but...but...Shansi started it.... ;0   

I hope they do speak, but it seems they all think you did something horrible with even the very title of this thread.....