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3 hours ago, halebore Aeon said:

I never truly understood that lifestyle, not downing it. However, I really don't see why men or women would become a personal bank account for anyone. To each their own I guess. And good on ya for exploring different sides of SL, that is very commendable. Just a word of warning, please be careful, you really don't know what you are gonna get yourself into. This could be the best experience or the worst experience for you. Just please try and be careful, and don't rush into the first person, who will spoil.

Always, love. I always put my well-being and the well-being of those I play with ahead of everything else. As for your earlier comment, some people enjoy it - findom is huge, for instance. 

 

4 hours ago, Drake1 Nightfire said:

Wait, 40K is 'barely adequate'?!?!? Good lord. I wonder if your "friend" is pulling your leg, or offering RL services. 

I have sent friends 5K before. I have known them for years before doing so. 
There is a huge difference between "well-off" and having the kind of money you speak of. Tossing a couple of hundred USD a week at someone to be eye candy and a semi-often bed warmer is more than well off. 

Think about it.. $320 a month is a car payment. 

Oh, no. Far from it. It wasn't one person I spoke to, but several. 

I am not asking you to be my sugar parent, love. I don't understand why you're taking such issue with it?

P.S. Sugar parents are meant to be well-off, and usually too busy for conventional dating. The average amount real life sugar babies make per month is 2800 USD. 

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4 hours ago, AyelaNewLife said:

I guess the question is, are you offering the services of your RL self, and doing this as a RL income source? Or is this just for fun and roleplay using your SL avatar, while covering your SL costs at the same time?

20kL/80$ per week sounds like it's too low for the former yet far too high for the latter. The expectations at the two pricepoints are radically different, and as she's said "For instance, I don't feel safe mixing second life with real life - so it will be within the confines of second life and the time we spend together, not outside it.", I'd put her in the second category.

I'm not even sure what I'd do with 20k a week + gifts, if the aim was to keep everything inside SL. I'd run out of stuff to buy after the first month or so. :P

If I was offering real life services, I would ask for far more. Far, far more. And I would do it in platforms designed for that, not one designed for the virtual reality. ?

The money I get on SL would stay in SL - I'd just like that financial security, by SL standards, and the feeling of being taken care of? If it makes sense? 

Plus, I absolutely love gift giving - so I would likely lavish them with some, with the money they gave me. Oops. 

4 hours ago, Drake1 Nightfire said:

Please, tell me why i would pay someone who is very new to SL $80 a week for less than i can get from a babygirl or sub?  

Hi, being new to SL doesn't mean I don't understand how it works. I'm a quick learner, fortunately for me, and I know what I'm doing. Being new to SL doesn't mean anything, except maybe that I'm young - which I am. Almost a year is a lot, given I've only been on this earth for 22 of them.

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2 hours ago, Syo Emerald said:

Lol, talking crap about creators work in SL, but getting offended on behalf of someone looking to turn their own "sexual and emotional involvement" into a purchaseable service. The monetarization turns it into just another thing sold and offered in Second Life. Its now not more sacred than a DJ gig, a mesh dress or a script. And its true: The SL economy has a much lower pricelevel than their RL equivalent. So she isn't underselling herself, she is adapting to the price level of the market she wants to operate in. If she wants to get paid like a RL prostitute or cam girl, she should enter a different market and offer her service there.

Someone being in the sugar baby lifestyle or in sex work, in real life or otherwise, does not entitle you to dehumanize them. I am selling myself short, intentionally too, because the person behind the screen is what actually matters to me. 

That said, you would do well to learn about the sugar parent/baby lifestyle.

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14 minutes ago, Syo Emerald said:

I'm refering to the way you mentioned the creation of mesh clothes as a "3 hour blender product", as if it was easy and somehow a disgrace to compare it in any shape or form to the service the OP is offering. Other than that I'm just telling you that she was in no way objectivied, just because her service is treated and talked about the same way any product would be.

Those are a lot of implied words that I never wrote. I'm sorry that I hurt you. I really, and sincerely am. I bet you put your entire heart, soul, and energy into your sewing patterns, and that they are absolutely a product of love to the highest degree. And that, in itself, is every bit as intelligent, graceful, and wondrous as being able to explore another human and the intricacies of sexuality. And while I imagine it probably takes you closer to 10-16 hours to finish a physical garment, that it probably took you a week+ when you were first beginning, and that time and effort is completely priceless. 

Definitively, my position is that sexual services are a product comparable to that, and that sexual services do not objectify the provider, freely given or in exchange for monetary value. But in the context of how Drake was framing their contentions about her price point, it felt... less than polite. I used the wrong word, but essentially it felt like they were belittling the amount of effort, energy, and creativity that sex work requires. A well made $3 mesh once made is made, and it's out in the world for consumption for at least 2-4 years before becoming outdated, and is a constant potential source of revenue with upkeep, and it seemed at the time a poor comparison to sex work which is an individual experience each time, and the formula constantly has to change to keep the potential revenue per customer. Basically, it was a comparison of mass production vs. custom order, which is--blah blah blah, ramble ramble ramble, I am sorry I used that word, I am certain each and every single mesh garment is made with the same love-creation-energy.

 

 

1 hour ago, Drake1 Nightfire said:

And she most certainly did say "gifts plus lindens." 

 

My bad.
 

1 hour ago, Drake1 Nightfire said:

Where did you see anything about RL community experience? 

In a different thread that you've involved yourself in that's related to the subject of asking references. It's in this same subforum. 

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3 hours ago, FollyToBeWise said:

Always, love. I always put my well-being and the well-being of those I play with ahead of everything else. As for your earlier comment, some people enjoy it - findom is huge, for instance

I never really even heard of it, I have heard of friends doing it. However, I really don't have a deeper understanding of it, than someone who gets off, on someone taking control of one's finances. I hope I defined that right. But hey, you gotta try something at least once, before you can really knock it.

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4 hours ago, FollyToBeWise said:

If I was offering real life services, I would ask for far more. Far, far more. And I would do it in platforms designed for that, not one designed for the virtual reality. ?

The money I get on SL would stay in SL - I'd just like that financial security, by SL standards, and the feeling of being taken care of? If it makes sense? 

Plus, I absolutely love gift giving - so I would likely lavish them with some, with the money they gave me. Oops. 

I guess this is where relative valuation comes in. Rather than either currency, try to imagine how many gifts, how many pairs of shoes or bits of clothing you'd want to receive during a typical week. Convert that roughly into lindens, and that's a good starting point. For me personally, 20kL (70-100 single-colour clothes a week) is unjustifiably excessive, while 200L (one item if you're lucky) is offensively low. The order of magnitude between the two sounds much better; ~2k a week in spending money plus other gifts on top is a far better rough guideline than the other two numbers.

But I'm guestimating here. It's a balance between getting enough to feel financially secure, and aiming low enough to ensure you actually find someone. Just avoid real life wage comparisons; even the professional voice/cam escorts 'working' in Eastern European mob brothels (yes they are a thing) earn a pretty pathetic wage by US/UK standards, you're not going to get close to that as a text-only sugar baby that only operates during your free time.

Just pick a pricepoint that works best for you. And then don't advertise it, as you'll get a whole host of undercut offers :P

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But at the end of the day, she is choosing to do this. It shouldn't really affect anyone, but herself and well the people who want to provide her with gifts.  So really, it's not our place to judge the choices she makes.  We all have something that people, will have a problem with. However, let's live and let live.

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27 minutes ago, AyelaNewLife said:

I guess this is where relative valuation comes in. Rather than either currency, try to imagine how many gifts, how many pairs of shoes or bits of clothing you'd want to receive during a typical week. Convert that roughly into lindens, and that's a good starting point. For me personally, 20kL (70-100 single-colour clothes a week) is unjustifiably excessive, while 200L (one item if you're lucky) is offensively low. The order of magnitude between the two sounds much better; ~2k a week in spending money plus other gifts on top is a far better rough guideline than the other two numbers.

But I'm guestimating here. It's a balance between getting enough to feel financially secure, and aiming low enough to ensure you actually find someone. Just avoid real life wage comparisons; even the professional voice/cam escorts 'working' in Eastern European mob brothels (yes they are a thing) earn a pretty pathetic wage by US/UK standards, you're not going to get close to that as a text-only sugar baby that only operates during your free time.

Just pick a pricepoint that works best for you. And then don't advertise it, as you'll get a whole host of undercut offers :P

While I don't believe anyone who was outraged by the values understand what sugar parents are, I did feel obliged to share the minimum value I would accept - which is half of what I was told by everyone I know in the SL lifestyle was appropriate for sugar parents to offer. 

People don't realize how short I am selling myself for, because I could get that amount by entering myself in an auction and getting privately sold. And all I would have to do in return is spend one hour with them daily for the week. And that's after the auction house takes the 50% cut. 

37 minutes ago, halebore Aeon said:

But at the end of the day, she is choosing to do this. It shouldn't really affect anyone, but herself and well the people who want to provide her with gifts.  So really, it's not our place to judge the choices she makes.  We all have something that people, will have a problem with. However, let's live and let live.

Thank you! I am doing this for me and I don't understand how it affects anyone who is not involved in this. 

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16 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Got it, you want rich sugar parents, because you want to be spoiled rotten. It all makes sense now!

Gasps. Who would have thought! You'd think with how I titled the thread, I was looking for a Pikachu instead.

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5 hours ago, FollyToBeWise said:

Thank you! I am doing this for me and I don't understand how it affects anyone who is not involved in this. 

You are very welcome. I remember at one point in time, I would have went on a massive tirade. Now I am like, I really don't care, as long as the person is happy, and having fun, that is all that matters. That and it's your SL, play it how you want to play it.

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6 hours ago, FollyToBeWise said:

Gasps. Who would have thought! You'd think with how I titled the thread, I was looking for a Pikachu instead.

I finally put 2+2 together!

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13 hours ago, halebore Aeon said:

You are very welcome. I remember at one point in time, I would have went on a massive tirade. Now I am like, I really don't care, as long as the person is happy, and having fun, that is all that matters. That and it's your SL, play it how you want to play it.

I honestly don't get it - we are all here to have fun or get away from things that bother us in real life. If all parties involved are adults and consenting to what's happening, no one has the right to shame them or give them grief for doing what they like.

 

11 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I finally put 2+2 together!

I wanna be very rich, like no one ever was. To find them is my real test, to drain them is my cauuse. I will travel across SL, searching far and wide; reach rich men, take the money that's inside.~

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12 minutes ago, FollyToBeWise said:

I wanna be very rich, like no one ever was. To find them is my real test, to drain them is my cauuse. I will travel across SL, searching far and wide; reach rich men, take the money that's inside.~

 

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On 11/14/2018 at 1:48 AM, FollyToBeWise said:

I've always been curious about the sugar daddy/sugar baby lifestyle and what better way to do it than through Second Life? I am a kinky writer and role-player, not seeking committed relationships, just people to guide me and expose me to different things. I would like myself a sugar daddy or a sugar mama to spoil me rotten, someone to hangout with when we both can, and wouldn't put too much pressure and weight on what we have. I like the whole companionship in exchange for cash dynamic and I would like to explore it with someone who is patient and understanding, understands the importance of open and honest communication, and wouldn't try to force me past the boundaries I keep. For instance, I don't feel safe mixing second life with real life - so it will be within the confines of second life and the time we spend together, not outside it. 

I'm bisexual, kinky, and a detailed writer and emoter and even though I am asking to be spoiled with gifts and lindens, I expect you to put your own need and well-being first - ahead of the game and everything else. 

Interested and would like to know more? Send me a message or IM me in world - FollyToBeWise Resident. 

 

 

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Still relevant, babes. Gotta get me one of those.

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🎄Christmas is coming maybe Santa will send you that convertible. But in sl there a lot of freebies and hunts their are ways to make money like fishing and collecting crystals or quest .   . 🎄 Marilyn Monroe - "Santa Baby"

 

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I know this won't go down well but OP, you're 22 years old. Turn the computer off and go out clubbing. 

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4 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

I know this won't go down well but OP, you're 22 years old. Turn the computer off and go out clubbing

If you know it won't go down well, why say something and 2.  You know nothing about the OP's life. Maybe going out clubbing is not an option

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