For everyone in SL who use Flickr

[LittleMe Jewell]

5 hours ago, purrrkitten said:

I've always wondered why people on second life used flickr. Why not instagram?

I equate Instagram to Facebook, which I don't like either.  Too much all about popularity.  I create my pictures primarily for me and I want the large high quality versions uploaded.  If anyone else happens to enjoy them, then that is just an extra. Whereas, Instagram seems like the only purpose is to show off to everyone else.  

[LittleMe Jewell]

36 minutes ago, AnyaJurelle said:

Correct; it's my understanding that in order to force users of free accounts into paying for them, Smug's agenda is pushing new limits as of today/yesterday (Nov 1); less space + the removal of photos from those free accounts that have posted more than 1,000 pics, starting from the oldest (photos) to the newest.

The announcement was made today, but not any enforcement. The current free accounts have until January 8, 2019 to upgrade to Pro and if they don't and they are over the limit of 1000 pictures, then they won't be able to upload any more.  After February 5, 2019 Flickr/Smug will start actively deleting the older content of the free accounts until they are down to the 1000 picture limit.

Thus everyone still have a bit over 2 months to decide what to do and download their pictures if they are over the limit and choose not to upgrade.

[Kia Kiyori]

1 minute ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

The announcement was made today, but not any enforcement. The current free accounts have until January 8, 2019 to upgrade to Pro and if they don't and they are over the limit of 1000 pictures, then they won't be able to upload any more.  After February 5, 2019 Flickr/Smug will start actively deleting the older content of the free accounts until they are down to the 1000 picture limit.

Thus everyone still have a bit over 2 months to decide what to do and download their pictures if they are over the limit and choose not to upgrade.

Thank you, Ms Jewel, for the further clarification.

[Ivy Mysterious]

 

10 hours ago, Jeny Howlett said:

Yes, very serious. Flickr wants photography only with cameras. Virtual Art will be marked as SPAM!

 

No actually if you read the link you posted completely, they simply want the store/ blog ads to stop, which from their perspective I can understand because that essentially is spam. I am not saying I agree with what they're doing, I don't because it will hurt Most of SL's creators when advertising their products, I am simply trying to clarify what you misread =) 

[Ivy Mysterious]

What does annoy me about this though, is this wasn't announced on the official site, but on a blog I have never even heard about until now so it was like they wanted to sneak this in on us, which is a shady thing to do

[LittleMe Jewell]

2 minutes ago, IvyLarae said:

What does annoy me about this though, is this wasn't announced on the official site, but on a blog I have never even heard about until now so it was like they wanted to sneak this in on us, which is a shady thing to do

I got the announcement page the minute I logged in to flickr this evening - this page:

https://www.flickr.com/lookingahead/?utm_campaign=flickr-lookingahead&utm_source=Flickr&utm_medium=blog&utm_content=1000photos

[SpiritSparrow Skydancer]

14 hours ago, Jeny Howlett said:

Hi there! Today, Flickr put out an announcement, requesting that users report any photos that aren't Real Life photography. This will be removing thousands upon thousands of creator art in secondlife, photography, blog posts, and it will also rid the Flickr community of several thousand Pro accounts. On top of this, those without pro accounts will have a max of 1000 photos available. that means any with photos higher than this, Flickr will remove images going from oldest to newest.

This petition is in hope that they'd notice this, and hopefully change the rules and hear us out. Flickr is a home for so many of our artists in the virtual community to share their inspirations. Please don't take that away from us

***Edit***
currently, we are having several people also reach out through their contact form. While it does not specifically state SECONDLIFE, this is them requesting only actual photography. This petition is to help SL artists and designers be noticed, as well as to see if they will give us answers. Even if this does not count for sl photographers, this will still hurt many blog posts or designers ads, being reported and removed

(Author: Cassie Middles)

https://www.flickr.com/lookingahead

Please Sign this Petition!

 

and I just remembered my password, great..

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

13 hours ago, Whirly Fizzle said:

Flickr allows you to set your image to "Photo", "Screenshot" or "Other - art, illustration, CGI etc"

That's a great relief!

Edited November 2, 2018 by Arduenn Schwartzman

[loverdag]

This is staff's post yesterday on Flickr Help forum.

He DIRECTLY LITERALLY SAID SECOND LIFE (and other virtual communities) are WELCOME ON FLICKR.

 

Source: https://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/72157702923034264/page3/#reply72157702933036824

So I wonder why this panic, based on what exactly, can you please explain OP?

The only real upcoming change is new limit for free accounts, only 1000 newest pictures will stay, if you are over the limit, Flickr will delete the oldest to reach 1000.

THIS was REALLY announced, nothing else.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

I can excuse the things said in the OP.. because they didn't write it. But what I can't excuse, along with some of the first people to post in this thread, is not checking the facts when it's literally 1-2 clicks away and just reacting immediately.

Reading the Flickr blog post is very obvious in its message, and the petition made a false statement / misrepresentation of what was happening. I would call this kind of reaction hysterical from all but the original person to make the petition.

[Drake1 Nightfire]

13 hours ago, purrrkitten said:

I've always wondered why people on second life used flickr. Why not instagram?

Extra steps... You have to take the picture, save it to your computer and then upload it to insta. With flickr you can upload directly to it from SL.

[loverdag]

16 hours ago, Skell Dagger said:

I'd suspected a price increase would be coming, since - in all the years I've had a Flickr Pro account - the price has never changed. My account was up for renewal last month, and I was charged the new amount of $49.99 for the upcoming year. For all the use (a hell of a lot!) that I get out of it, that - for me - is a fair price to pay.

I agree with that, even when the new situation isn't comfortable for me. ATM I use one free account for RL photos and gaming non-SL pictures (its over limit, abut 2.5K pics) and one PRO which I had as grandfathered old price until now.

But even when I will have reduce / remove content from the free account, I don't see anything there as "greedy" as some people say. To me is perfectly normal to pay for services I use and not expect to have free data storage without limits and forever. 

Grandfathered PRO was promised for two years, and was running for 3.

And 1000K pictures for free still looks decent for me. When I joined Flickr back at 2012 free accounts had limit last 200 pictures displayed (and more other limist about groups etc). 

(I only wish the limit was about used storage size, not number of photos, beause my files are small.)

 

 

[Alyona Su]

43 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

I can excuse the things said in the OP.. because they didn't write it. But what I can't excuse, along with some of the first people to post in this thread, is not checking the facts when it's literally 1-2 clicks away and just reacting immediately.

Reading the Flickr blog post is very obvious in its message, and the petition made a false statement / misrepresentation of what was happening. I would call this kind of reaction hysterical from all but the original person to make the petition.

Don't use the word hysterical or hysterics, you'll be called out on it as I was ~snorts~. The OP was being alarmist as @Skell Dagger said, the rest were hysterics. It was only when others began showing screenshots of what I had already explained that the comments started to become more reasonable.

In short, nothing to see here, let's move on.

[loverdag]

30 minutes ago, Drake1 Nightfire said:

Extra steps... You have to take the picture, save it to your computer and then upload it to insta. With flickr you can upload directly to it from SL.

Is there some comfortable way how to upload pictures stored on computer (not phone) to Instagram? I dont mind the step between SL and Insta, but years ago when I used Instagram, it was platform for phones only, there was no comfortable bridge between platforms. And it was why I left - for RL photos I used camera (not phone), SL pics are taken and saved on computer as well, to upload them in phone and then to Insta was not comfortable at all.

If its changed maybe I would consider to move there my RL photos from my free Flickr. But I'm not willing to use "unofficial ways" how to make Win browser on PC/lappy to think its phone... So is that still needed?

[Solar Legion]

If it's the laziness factor (sorry, not wanting to save your image and then upload is exactly that) then you could use Snapzilla for crying out loud.

[AyelaNewLife]

At the rate I take photos I'm not gonna hit the 1k limit for another couple of years, but I'd probably upgrade to Pro if I needed to. ~$4 a month isn't really a problem, especially not as most SL Photographers with >1k photos already spend much more each month on clothing, props, group fees, etc in order to fund their hobby. 

Oh, and Flickr's common-sense-liberal policy on adult content and nudity is a crucial part of why it was adopted by the SL community. Instagram are downright puritan in comparison, totally unsuitable for a huge chunk of the community. Deviantart would involve building up an SL Photography community from almost nothing. As would Tumblr, but you'd also lose quality. Also ew Tumblr.

I did a quick straw poll of my feed. I checked the last 50 accounts that I've followed to post an image (got bored after that). 17 Pro accounts, 9 had more than 1k photos. Of that 9, 6 were already Pro. Just a sample of course, but it confirmed the impression I already had.

So yeah, I can't see any meaningful exodus from Flickr because of this change. There's a few Chicken Little roleplayers, sure, but on the whole the SL Flickr community will be fine. Anecdotally, the people I've seen panic about this are nowhere near to 1k photos, while most of those that are actually affected are either happy to pay up or see this as a good excuse to finally do some spring cleaning on their photos from 2012.

[Wulfie Reanimator]

57 minutes ago, Alyona Su said:

Don't use the word hysterical or hysterics, you'll be called out on it as I was ~snorts~. The OP was being alarmist as @Skell Dagger said, the rest were hysterics. It was only when others began showing screenshots of what I had already explained that the comments started to become more reasonable.

In short, nothing to see here, let's move on.

I know, I saw, and that was the reason I doubled down on calling OP and the people who started discussing it at face value as that.

And I don't think this specific case of immediate reaction was bad or significant (so I don't really care), but in the bigger picture I have a big problem with this kind of behavior.

[Cindy Evanier]

1 hour ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

But what I can't excuse, along with some of the first people to post in this thread, is not checking the facts

I was one of the first to respond in this thread. I was checking facts by asking more questions here as I am no flickr expert.  I see that too from others asking and searching out stuff to get facts.  Usually the way it goes here

[Fionalein]

A lot of giveaways in groups are now FB or Flickr only...

This would actually be a welcome change to those of us who don't jump on every social media bandwagon.  I'd welcome it. Virtual photography is not the same as product placement. If they want art not ads it is their choice. If they want only one kind of art (RL photography) it is still their choice. Their service - their choice.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2018 by Fionalein

[Wulfie Reanimator]

29 minutes ago, Cindy Evanier said:

I was one of the first to respond in this thread. I was checking facts by asking more questions here as I am no flickr expert.  I see that too from others asking and searching out stuff to get facts.  Usually the way it goes here

Then I'm not talking about you, don't worry about what I think or take it personally. I don't either. ?

Edited November 2, 2018 by Wulfie Reanimator

[Cindy Evanier]

2 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

Then I'm not talking about you, don't worry about what I think or take it personally. I don't either. ?

hehe, wasn't taking it personally    I have big girl pants on 

[AyelaNewLife]

11 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

A lot of giveaways in groups are now FB or Flickr only...

This would actually be a welcome change to those of us who don't jump on every social media bandwagon.  I'd welcome it. Virtual photography is not the same as product placement. If they want art not ads it is their choice. If they wnat only one kind of art (RL photography) it is still their choice. Their service - their choice.

Wait what?

What are you getting at here?

Like sure, it's their service so they can do what they want, including replacing every photo with that Clinton portrait made of porn pics; doesn't mean that it's a good change or one that should be welcomed. Strip that out, and you're left with "I don't have Flickr so Flickr can burn."

Edited November 2, 2018 by AyelaNewLife
I did typo

[Paul Hexem]

What a mess.

Steam's solutions have spoiled me regarding this stuff.

[Janet Voxel]

In op’s defense. The message they had/have up is kind of vague. It could be read as they were going to get rid of anything that wasn’t a real life photo. I definitely could see how someone would interpret it that way.

I’m just glad they consider virtual photography a part of the medium. Because it definitely can be and there are some really great, inspiring SL photographers on Flickr.

[LittleMe Jewell]

4 hours ago, loverdag said:

Is there some comfortable way how to upload pictures stored on computer (not phone) to Instagram? I dont mind the step between SL and Insta, but years ago when I used Instagram, it was platform for phones only, there was no comfortable bridge between platforms. And it was why I left - for RL photos I used camera (not phone), SL pics are taken and saved on computer as well, to upload them in phone and then to Insta was not comfortable at all.

If its changed maybe I would consider to move there my RL photos from my free Flickr. But I'm not willing to use "unofficial ways" how to make Win browser on PC/lappy to think its phone... So is that still needed?

Googling shows that there are a few ways, but none seem very easy - i.e. quite a few steps involved.

 

I always save my SL photos to my computer before uploading to Flickr anyway.  Often I will crop photos or sometimes fix lighting a bit, but mostly I want the photos saved to my computer as a backup.  In this case, if I did not have a Pro account, I still wouldn't need to worry about downloading my pics before they deleted them because I already have them all.  Ditto, if I ever decide to leave Flickr.