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Do the AFK girls actually earn any real L$?! And whats the best AFK place to make L$?

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Hello, 

I have been watching this for quite a while and considered taking a job in one of these AFK sims, as there are sadly not a lot of jobs in SL to get L$ to get started with as SL is a very very expensive hobby it seems. Just getting a basic avatar seems to cost 50-60 $ already, not counting in expenses for shopping, buying furniture or a house. 

Are there actually any girls making enough L$ with this AFK doll thing? 

Its a serious question, because I have been in a lot of sims and looking at the girls there and the amount of L$ they spent on their avatars, but the tip jars of most of the girls are just empty all the time

Do you work as AFK Model? What is your experience? 

How much do you make per day/week/month (averages, no exact)?

How much does it COST you to do this job? Tier/rent, electric power costs? How much power does your computer draw?

Any advises on how to increase the tips? What type of avatar yields most L$ with your clients? 

 

I ask because I want be sure to get it right and make enough to justify the investment of >=50$ for buying initial stuff for my avatar so I can keep playing SL afterwards without investing 100s of $ every year

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If you will just sit AFK, you have have to be of pretty good visual quality or stand out or maybe serve a specialized fetish or something like that to make good L$. But you will never get rich from it for sure. I think a good avi doing pure AFK and no extra effort, on a public AFK spot, if your doing well, maybe average 250 L$ a night,

That said, if you put effort in it, by advertising a lot in the bigger AFK groups, keep being interesting with outfits, maybe rent a room with interesting furniture, your income can increase. Seen girls make 2k L$ a night, but those are high numbers for just AFKing, and will be every now and then, not every night.

Best money is made though by those who mix the AFK when they really are away, with role playing/active sex when they are available. If they are good, and build up a base of regular clients, you can make pretty decent money. 5k+ a night. Will require much more effort and skill than just being AFK though.

About the best place to be AFK, well I cant be fully objective about that since I own one ;)

You should though find a sim that has moderation and does get rid of non tippers, if not you will be used a lot but not get much in return. I would advise a rental sim, there are several, where you can set up your own room and get clients to come in directly to your room (by advertising). For starters, try out a few on public spots. See if you like the sim, the traffic is good and so on.

There are several popular crowded sims. This is good for traffic it generates. Downside is, you will also have to compete with a lot of other AFK models. Just try out and find what suits you best.

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On 10/27/2018 at 1:50 AM, Wili Clip said:

There are games where you can earn L$ playing.

Translation : "Please for the love of god someone play my fishing games...you can earn 1 linden a day!"

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The AFK industry has seemed to slow down these days.  It was popular last year, but most sim owners started enforcing bans on non-tippers, so the traffic is really low now.  It was a double edged sword really.  They had to sacrifice traffic for enforced tips to weed out the frequent freeloaders that abused the service.  A solution for sim owners is to use  tip jars that require a tip before sitting down.  A few places use them but i'm not sure how successful they are.  There are also many downsides to enforcing tips, such as disconnections and sim restarts.  I've seen it happen many times and the guys end up wasting $100 or $200 because of it.  Some guys like to test out furniture animations too before tipping, so that's another downside.

Anyways, you'll be lucky to make L$100 a day in a public AFK spot these days since there's so much competition and less traffic.  If you really want to make a lot of L$, you need to build a client list and establish a friendly relationship by being nice and thanking them.  Rentals at these sims is another way, since you can send out notices in their groups.   You can also buy advertising at the usual AFK sims and escort sims.  These seem to be the best options these days instead of public afking.

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On 1/1/2019 at 10:18 PM, chibiusa Ling said:

Translation : "Please for the love of god someone play my fishing games...you can earn 1 linden a day!"

To be fair you earn more with the typical fishing game,... not sure about WiIi's never did it but if it pays similar to his trivia game - which I did play - it would be comparable to the rest out there.

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13 hours ago, JamesKisson said:

When they talk, and have some skill, I pay. Otherwise, a F88k Doll is just that.  Only missing air.

Your point being?

That if you use an AFK F88k doll you don't have to pay?

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14 hours ago, JamesKisson said:

When they talk, and have some skill, I pay. Otherwise, a F88k Doll is just that.  Only missing air.

This is the very reason I kind of laff at the very idea of an AFK sex circus.

1 hour ago, Zeta Vandyke said:

Your point being?

That if you use an AFK F88k doll you don't have to pay?

Obviously, that's his point.

@JamesKisson Would you pay L$10 for an *interactive* Animesh doll that uses the same animations and works exactly the same way with the same visual qualities as those AFK places, and you *already know* it is a doll AND you go for as long as you want until you're done? The reason I ask (and it's a serious question) is that I'm playing with Animesh right now (for others uses LOL) and I am only half-joking when I say I can do this. Maybe I'll create a "proof-of-concept" for men (and women) to play with. Because the fact is, other than a name-tag over their head, an Animesh doll is *no different* from a "live" avatar, other than the live aspect.

/me shakes her head hard as the ideas are beginning to flow too fast to keep up...

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10 minutes ago, Alyona Su said:

Maybe I'll create a "proof-of-concept" for men (and women) to play with. Because the fact is, other than a name-tag over their head, an Animesh doll is *no different* from a "live" avatar, other than the live aspect.

Keep in mind though, with a good "complete" AFK doll, you get:

- Interactive genitals
- pregnancy system
- come system (the real word is censured)
- spankers
- top creators quality sexy outfits
- Outfit changing hud
- pick a look / style each time you want to visit one (be surprised by their creativity)
- pick your top quality sex furniture for the moment (some have move around hud's) instead of always the same furniture you have available yourself
- For some the idea that someone might be watching on the other side is part of the experience
- A thank you after the tip ;)

You get a lot more than just a name tag over their head.

To be honest, if investing in an mesh doll, why not just create an alt and use that as sex doll?
 

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1 minute ago, Zeta Vandyke said:

Keep in mind though, with a good "complete" AFK doll, you get:

- Interactive genitals
- pregnancy system
- come system (the real word is censured)
- spankers
- top creators quality sexy outfits
- Outfit changing hud
- pick a look / style each time you want to visit one (be surprised by their creativity)
- pick your top quality sex furniture for the moment (some have move around hud's) instead of always the same furniture you have available yourself
- A thank you after the tip ;)

You get a lot more than just a name tag over their head.

To be honest, if investing in an mesh doll, why not just create an alt and use that as sex doll?
 

All of that is doable, every bullet point you mentioned. It would take work, but definitely doable. And using the new Animesh Wizard role-play system, adding the interactivity also. I am creating "role-play" characters for my place to make it more interactive for visitors. The system I am using doesn't do all of that, of course, but I know of and have other add-on systems that can fill in the gaps.

As for the alt versus aAnimesh? I could create an army without burning up my bandwidth and electricity and neither have to share any profits with others and, thereby, making it cheap. A.k.a. Target your audience; it would be good for the cheapskate who hates paying so much a L$1 for anything LOL - in other words: it wouldn't be a competitor to the AFK sex circuses, it would be a compliment because it would cater to the type of customer those places would rather avoid.

And I reiterate - just percolating ideas (I am always doing that) and it would be a fun experiment to create a proof-of-concept. Like just one bed configurablew with your choice of doll: m/f, m/m, f/f, m/s, etc. LOL

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Yes, it's the concept, more than anything else, that piques my interest. And it IS diable, for example, outfit changing HUD, there is the "Mesh Outfitter" system and even the CTS Wardrobe is capable of doing that, albeit those will affect your avatar directly and not an Animesh doll, but the Animesh Wizard system has that part built into it. Other bits like clothing, etc, are just attachments to the doll itself. And no tip jar, set it up so you pay up-front (maybe with a two-minute demo or something) LOL

A good friend is an eclectic creator. I think I'll pass the idea on to him and we'll make something up together (he has tools that blow my mind as to what they can do) Though I should probably stop talking about it now as others will get the idea, too, and compete! LOL

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9 hours ago, Alyona Su said:

A good friend is an eclectic creator. I think I'll pass the idea on to him and we'll make something up together (he has tools that blow my mind as to what they can do) Though I should probably stop talking about it now as others will get the idea, too, and compete! LOL

Several are already working on this business model. And just like with creating any look/theme for yourself or room or just creating a decent variety, creating Animesh sex dolls requires spending a lot of money on furniture, avatars, clothing, accessories, etc. It also requires a ton of scripting to set up what doesn't already work via existing applications. Animesh land impact is not favorable for any kind of doll that allows either customizing, accessorizing or dressing/undressing, this means you will need enough land to facilitate it. And that doesn't even get into land impact needed for exotic looking characters w/ outfits, ones that actually look attractive and not like an XML rip of a noob avatar which you commonly see on marketplace now.

10 hours ago, Alyona Su said:

Target your audience; it would be good for the cheapskate who hates paying so much a L$1 for anything LOL - in other words: it wouldn't be a competitor to the AFK sex circuses, it would be a compliment because it would cater to the type of customer those places would rather avoid.

If I had invested a ton of money and time creating an Animesh alternative to AFK, the last thing I would do is target people who cannot at least help recoup that investment.

Making Animesh dolls as an aside to any existing business model as an attraction might be different, though.

Doing it all as a hobby or to maintain modeling/scripting skill would be valiant.

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12 hours ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

Doing it all as a hobby or to maintain modeling/scripting skill would be valiant.

This would be the main reason I'd even attempt such a thing myself - and is exactly what I'm doing now, albeit not with sex dolls. LOL As for the costs, I already have most of what I need, save the interactivity scripts (which are not inexpensive, I might add, but so far worth the asking price. Generally, I get an idea and then, if it interests me enough, it turns into an experimental project, sometimes just to see if it can be done with a decent result.

As for Animesh sex dolls, I see them as inevitable, not as AFK fodder, but rather as add-ons or inclusion into sex furniture for sale; as an option in sex beds for whenever someone is in the mood and their regular partner isn't around (or generally partnerless).

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I've seen some AFK "machines" (you sit there and well...don't know if I can explain what exactly, but you can guess) that charges users L$20 for X minutes. If I'm not wrong, it's charged in the end of the service, when the person stands up after such time, so I suppose some can simply use it and go away seconds before being charged...

But seems to me like a super idea that maybe could be best explored by developers. I would work on it myself if I had knowledge for it.

EDIT: oops, I deviated from the matter. I never found an AFK place that could be really rentable for me, even using all body parts (Lara, good skin, mesh head, Mama Allpa, body parts, sex systems, etc). I tried dancing in place for tips, but it was boring as hell to, with amazing luck, get 500L (and AFK were forbidden).

Only working IC, interacting with partners. In a very good night, two or three, 1K each. Other times, 5 days waiting for nothing.

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You can bet there are people running multiple bots at AFK places to make a few L$. The only question at this point is why wouldn't an AFK place run it's own bots to maximize income.

 

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7 hours ago, CoffeeDujour said:

You can bet there are people running multiple bots at AFK places to make a few L$. The only question at this point is why wouldn't an AFK place run it's own bots to maximize income.

 

Because clients want real people behind the avatar.  Alyona's ideal animesh/bot is just a glorified blow-up doll (ignoring the fact that everything in SL is virtual pixels anyway).  There are a couple places that have tried using bots but they always fail.  Not only that, but imagine having to spend over 20k for each bot to have the full-fledged ideal AFK doll, as shown above in Zeta's post.  It's just not feasible and you'll likely never recover all those lindens back.

Those AFK dolls aren't always afk either.  Some of them are semi-afk and alt-tabbed on instagram, facebook, youtube, or in some other game, and if some client messages you and you don't respond, then they move on to someone else and you're likely to lose out on some lindens.

People such as JamesKisson don't understand the entire concept of it, so they end up mocking it, but there's actually some psychology behind it and why it's popular.  Some clients probably just want a quickie without having to go through introductions, finding a place, teleporting, and RP dialogue.  There's also many shy people out there that don't want to interact with others because of insecurities.  Some of them are cheating on their insignificant others too, so this is a way to get around that without any repercussions.  Many SL users are also non-english speakers, so this is probably easier for them to get their fix.  The concept is similar to that recent movie called Sleeping Beauty, with Emily Browning.

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Radegast includes the Alice chat bot with random delays etc .. for intermittent simplistic 'signs of life' conversation it wouldn't take much skill to cook up an aiml, I doubt you could tell the difference.

 

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On 2/11/2019 at 5:27 AM, Alyona Su said:

@JamesKissonI'm playing with Animesh right now (for others uses LOL) and I am only half-joking when I say I can do this. Maybe I'll create a "proof-of-concept" for men (and women) to play with. Because the fact is, other than a name-tag over their head, an Animesh doll is *no different* from a "live" avatar, other than the live aspect. 

You're too late. Animesh hooker bots are already on Marketplace. (Not from me.) I've seen two in world so far. They even have snarky dialogue.

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2 hours ago, Amina Sopwith said:

Lol, AFK "girls".

(Yes, I know some will be, but come on.)

Thats not what this topic is about.

4 hours ago, animats said:

You're too late. Animesh hooker bots are already on Marketplace. (Not from me.) I've seen two in world so far. They even have snarky dialogue.

Indeed 😨 
Maybe that will split the whole business into escorts and animesh hookers, long term. AFK, as we know it, could vanish.

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