abuse Harassing Neighbor

[Lilliana Corleone]

I have a neighbor who has decided to put up huge signs that tell me to kiss her Ass, she has my name on these Signs and my business name.  I own a Sim and half of land, she possibly owns the plot on the  SIM next to me.  She owns a Whore House, I own a rental community.  My Staff banned her and a few others from her establishment.  We have had complaints from residents in the past whom complain about Hookers from another SIM across from us using their Sex Beds.This same Resident has a huge logo high in the sky almost encroaching on my land.  She did have some items encroaching, and we sent them back. I have written at least 3 abuse reports, my spouse has also, with no intervention from the Lindens.  I am a resident for 12 Years, what happened to the days when an actual Linden visited and viewed the issue?  Not doing anything is allowing this idiot to do what ever they feel.  Also do I not have the right to BAN anyone I want from my SIM? Especially if they are not going to rent from me, I do not see this person renting from me, what I do believe is she would want to bother my Residents to go to her establishment. This I believe is her problem, I have tried to speak to her. So she pulls this crap to what try and force my hand it is freaking annoying.  I am about ready to just close my entire account, that's a pretty big monthly payment Linden labs will no longer receive if I do.  What is a Legacy Avatar to do?

[Rolig Loon]

When you submit Abuse Reports, be sure to attach photos of the signs and include reference to specific times when you receoved specific message from the person.  Also, be sure to make specific reference to the Community Standards statement on Harrassment.  Linden Lab investigates all Abuse Reports but cannot act without clear, verifiable observations and, even then, without reason to believe that there has been a violation of the TOS or a referenced policy (like the Community Standards).  Complaints are typically dismissed if they are inarticulate, hard to verify, or amount to little more than "he said, she said" statements that fall into the general category of "disputes between residents".

[Lindal Kidd]

You can set your land to group access only, at least for a short time.  You may want to have a parcel where you put your advertising, vacancies, etc. left open, to allow potential customers to visit that part of your area.

You can ban any individuals you choose to.

You can put up big prims next to her annoying signs, but on your side of the property line.  Texture your side of them with any pleasant scene you wish.  You can leave her side transparent, or you can paste your own annoying messages (bear in mind that this could lead to HER reporting YOU, though.)

[LittleMe Jewell]

17 hours ago, Lilliana Corleone said:

Also do I not have the right to BAN anyone I want from my SIM?

Yes, absolutely - and you don't even actually need a reason. I could ban someone from my land just because I didn't like their hair color.

As to the signs that she has put up, you could put up some large prims on that side, with some sort of nature or other decoration, to hide the signs.  Just be sure that the other side is set transparent so that they cannot claim you are griefing them.

Edited August 15, 2018 by LittleMe Jewell

[Ethan Paslong]

i'd lock my part of land, derender the whole bunch at the other side, and enable the privacy settings, than don't look again at the other side of the fence.

[Klytyna]

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

She owns a Whore House, I own a rental community.  My Staff banned her and a few others from her establishment.  We have had complaints from residents in the past whom complain about Hookers from another SIM across from us using their Sex Beds

I feel this needs to be asked...

Which continent are your sim and their sim on? Is it Zindra?

If it is, and thus if the sims are Adult  Rated, then you and your "anti whore house renters" constantly trying to get her closed down, *might* in fact be the "harassers".

If they are engaging in ADULT acts, where you're tenants can see (without the "I cammed up 3,9 km into their skybox and I was shocked to see what I expected to see when I chose to cam up 3.9 km..." style of AR), then file your AR derender their stuff, and leave it to the Governance Team.

Don't keep repeating AR's just AR each offence ONCE.

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

I am a resident for 12 Years

Irrelevant... Doesn't entitle you to anything more than a 12 day old account.

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

She owns a Whore House, I own a rental community.

Also irrelevant, unless her business involves acts not permitted on the sim shes doing them on, see my initial question about which continent and what maturity rating.

Actually, why don't I check your PROFILE! Maybe there will be info there about WHERE this takes place.

Ahhh HERE it is!

"Located on the Adult SIM Zindra. "

https://my.secondlife.com/Lilliana.Corleone#about_tab

Adult Rated sims... so, shes ALLOWED to run a "Whore House" if she wants to.

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

what happened to the days when an actual Linden visited and viewed the issue?

You mean these days, they still do that. IF they think there is something that needs to be done... If they don;t agree with you, same as 12 years ago, tough luck...

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

This same Resident has a huge logo high in the sky almost encroaching on my land

Those "sky logos" designed to be visible on the World Map, are not an offence, and "Almost encroaching" on your land, again means NOTHING.

You cannot realistically AR somebody for having a skywriting sign advertising their business on their parcel on a different sim, if that sign is within their parcel boundries.

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

I have tried to speak to her.

If that means you IM'd her and demanded she close her business, take down her sky advert, and somehow stop her customers from walking over the sim border, and threatening to AR her if she didn't... Then that might explain why it's degenerated into "Drama-Llama Time".

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

I have written at least 3 abuse reports, my spouse has also, with no intervention from the Lindens.

Yeah... That kind of smells like "Angry Rants with no paragraph breaks or pertinent facts always end up in the waste bin".

On 15 August 2018 at 2:25 AM, Lilliana Corleone said:

Not doing anything is allowing this idiot to do what ever they feel.

Yeah well... After 12 years, you should have already learned that SL Madlands operate on a "Madlands! NO RULZ" basis, after all that is apparently part of the "appeal" of the Madlands continents...

...

This seems to be YOU starting drama because YOU don't like her running an ADULT business on an ADULT sim on an ADULT continent, and getting all worked up because...

LL won't ban people just because you tell them to, over and over and over and over...

 

 

[Fionalein]

Err @Klytyna  , there is no problem if someone uses sex beds in Zindra, if however they do so on the home of someone else there might be a problem,... we do not know which sex bed her tenants complained about being used, as the English grammar leaves us with 2 possibilities: if the escorts used their own sex beds, nothing can be done of it if the escorts however used the sex beds of OP's tenants, well banning them is understandable then. Out of the context I guess it is possibility 2...

@Ethan Paslong derender does not help in the renting buisiness, as you can neither derender for tenants nor potential tenants

@Lilliana Corleone do not send too many abuse reports, and be sure to include a pic of the insulting prim and wait for the AR to be enforced. Meanwhile you can try to put up a giant billboard sign advertising your business - but that always includes the risk of your neighbour moving the prim up above your billboard.... so no idea what you can do besides AR and wait (ARs take ages, maybe the investigating Linden gave your neighbour time to respond and remove it herself, who knows - they don't discuss their ideas with us...)

Edited August 16, 2018 by Fionalein

[Ethan Paslong]

1 hour ago, Fionalein said:

@Ethan Paslong derender does not help in the renting buisiness, as you can neither derender for tenants nor potential tenants

? derendering objects /builds/people works as far i know everywhere
and it's pretty easy to learn your tenants do the same.

If thats no solution, and LL doesn't/can't  act, there's no other way ..ór leave, ór derender and ignore everything there.

Edited August 16, 2018 by Ethan Paslong

[Lilliana Corleone]

20 hours ago, Klytyna said:

I feel this needs to be asked...

Which continent are your sim and their sim on? Is it Zindra?

If it is, and thus if the sims are Adult  Rated, then you and your "anti whore house renters" constantly trying to get her closed down, *might* in fact be the "harassers".

If they are engaging in ADULT acts, where you're tenants can see (without the "I cammed up 3,9 km into their skybox and I was shocked to see what I expected to see when I chose to cam up 3.9 km..." style of AR), then file your AR derender their stuff, and leave it to the Governance Team.

Don't keep repeating AR's just AR each offence ONCE.

Irrelevant... Doesn't entitle you to anything more than a 12 day old account.

Also irrelevant, unless her business involves acts not permitted on the sim shes doing them on, see my initial question about which continent and what maturity rating.

Actually, why don't I check your PROFILE! Maybe there will be info there about WHERE this takes place.

Ahhh HERE it is!

"Located on the Adult SIM Zindra. "

https://my.secondlife.com/Lilliana.Corleone#about_tab

Adult Rated sims... so, shes ALLOWED to run a "Whore House" if she wants to.

You mean these days, they still do that. IF they think there is something that needs to be done... If they don;t agree with you, same as 12 years ago, tough luck...

Those "sky logos" designed to be visible on the World Map, are not an offence, and "Almost encroaching" on your land, again means NOTHING.

You cannot realistically AR somebody for having a skywriting sign advertising their business on their parcel on a different sim, if that sign is within their parcel boundries.

If that means you IM'd her and demanded she close her business, take down her sky advert, and somehow stop her customers from walking over the sim border, and threatening to AR her if she didn't... Then that might explain why it's degenerated into "Drama-Llama Time".

Yeah... That kind of smells like "Angry Rants with no paragraph breaks or pertinent facts always end up in the waste bin".

Yeah well... After 12 years, you should have already learned that SL Madlands operate on a "Madlands! NO RULZ" basis, after all that is apparently part of the "appeal" of the Madlands continents...

...

This seems to be YOU starting drama because YOU don't like her running an ADULT business on an ADULT sim on an ADULT continent, and getting all worked up because...

LL won't ban people just because you tell them to, over and over and over and over...

I believe you miss my entire point.  I don't care what she does on her land, I have no problem with any one running any kind of business.  I do have a problem with her staff coming to my SIM to use beds owned by my Residents, that is the reason for the BAN

.I actually did not reach out to her at first, she reached out to me and asked me why she was banned, I told her, and she called me a liar.....

18 hours ago, Fionalein said:

Err @Klytyna  , there is no problem if someone uses sex beds in Zindra, if however they do so on the home of someone else there might be a problem,... we do not know which sex bed her tenants complained about being used, as the English grammar leaves us with 2 possibilities: if the escorts used their own sex beds, nothing can be done of it if the escorts however used the sex beds of OP's tenants, well banning them is understandable then. Out of the context I guess it is possibility 2...

@Ethan Paslong derender does not help in the renting buisiness, as you can neither derender for tenants nor potential tenants

@Lilliana Corleone do not send too many abuse reports, and be sure to include a pic of the insulting prim and wait for the AR to be enforced. Meanwhile you can try to put up a giant billboard sign advertising your business - but that always includes the risk of your neighbour moving the prim up above your billboard.... so no idea what you can do besides AR and wait (ARs take ages, maybe the investigating Linden gave your neighbour time to respond and remove it herself, who knows - they don't discuss their ideas with us...)

I have no problem with anyone doing what ever they please.  I do have an issue with her staff using my Residents Beds.  My Residents have an issue with it, they don't want to log on and see someone else using their beds... 

I have included the photos, I appreciate all Comments.  We started to put a large building next to them.

 

Thank You

 

 

[Klytyna]

9 hours ago, Lilliana Corleone said:

I believe you miss my entire point.  I don't care what she does on her land, I have no problem with any one running any kind of business.  I do have a problem with her staff coming to my SIM to use beds owned by my Residents, that is the reason for the BAN

.I actually did not reach out to her at first, she reached out to me and asked me why she was banned, I told her, and she called me a liar.....

Ahhh, right...

So, the "hookers" who hang out at her brothel, presumably on a freelance basis, because that's how that industry works, used sex beds in your tenants homes, so you banned the offending "hookers", all fine so far.

But, any FRAUDULENT AR's filed against HER or the "hookers" for using sex beds on your land if the land and beds are left as public availability will be ignored, as there's no offence at this point.

Then you banned HER, for owning the place, where the "hookers" hang out, and she noticed, and asked you why she was banned from a sim, and THEN the drama-llama nonsense started. Still fine so far.

You returned some object that was partially overhanging your property, that's fine too, but since you returned it, and that sort of thing often happens by accident anyway, minor incursions, any AR's you might have filed for that will be ignored, especially since you already returned the "evidence".

,,,

Where things are NOT fine...

Why did you feel a need to tell us she runs a "Whore House", or comment that "she MIGHT own the parcel she's using, or brag about how long you've been here and how many sims you own.

These "facts" are irrelevant, and seem to have only ONE purpose, to imply that she's "a DIRTY WHORE and probably a SQUATTER but I'm RICH and a NICE person with a PROPER business". It's perjorative phrasing...

Then there's that nonsense about the Sky-Sign. The one that "almost" encroaches on your land, but which doesn't in face do so. Did you file a FRAUDULENT AR or two about that?

So you chatted, and the chat did not go well, that's for certain, since it's ended with her saying "Kiss my ass" to you.

Did you file an AR for her saying that too?

So what this boils down to is a drama-llama "resident vs resident" dispute that's blown up out of all proportion into a feud involving a "smear campaign" against her here on the forum, and you/your spouse/your paid staff/whoever flling multiple AR's, most of them probably FRAUDULENT,  against somebody for being rude to you...

And you wonder why LL haven't banned her yet...

Please NOTE, this isn't an attack on you, I've seen lots of similar feuds start for less reason in the past.l

This is just to clarify for others reading this thread before starting their own threads about their feuds, EXACTLY why the "hated blood feud enemy who is probably an SL criminal of some sort and a bad person" that THEY want gone, hasn't been banned by LL as requested.

9 hours ago, Lilliana Corleone said:

.I actually did not reach out to her at first

Maybe you should have...

hookers working in an SL brothel are generally NOT "staff", they may have a group tag but are usually freelancers, with the house getting a % on their tip jars/rental meters etc.

I'd have spoken to her about her girls using my tenants beds, and tried to work something out, could she send a group notice to her girls, or rez more beds at her place, etc.

I wouldn't just ban HER and start a fraudulent AR spam feud. That's MY point that you seem to have missed entirely.

...

Ah well, maybe next time you have problems with a Madlands neighbour...

 

[Embera Bloodrose]

You need to make it group only make ban lines in the home area's make the roads so people can look around for home maybe only have welcome area for the people that come in looking for a home. But you have to put your foot down only allowing you and the people that live there.

[Phorumities]

On 9/7/2018 at 12:11 AM, Dreamerra said:

You need to make it group only make ban lines in the home area's make the roads so people can look around for home maybe only have welcome area for the people that come in looking for a home. But you have to put your foot down only allowing you and the people that live there.

And then of course, you can't have friends over to your house because they aren't in the group.

[Embera Bloodrose]

I had bully back in high school the thing is can't beat them join them became good friends. If you could ask LL if they could have a meeting with you and this neighbor set some Etiquette rules that need can be agreed on bind in contract to the land  truly this is virtual world everyone should be happy not against t each other.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Dreamerra

[Lindal Kidd]

@Phorumities, that's true.  But you could invite everyone to meet you over at the brothel! ?

@Dreamerra, dream on!  LL never gets involved in resident-to-resident disputes.  They would never agree to moderate a face to face meeting.  But the idea has merit, if the two parties could settle on some neutral third resident to serve as referee.  I'd do it, but they couldn't afford my fees...I'd have to impose a 5000% Drama Surcharge.

[Fionalein]

I am not even sure the brothel owner is happy about their prostitues earning rogue money outside of the brothel, could be a way to avoid a cut in tips. So yeah, if it hadn't escalated early before - talking could have been an option....

Edited September 16, 2018 by Fionalein

[Embera Bloodrose]

14 hours ago, Lindal Kidd said:

@Phorumities, that's true.  But you could invite everyone to meet you over at the brothel! ?

@Dreamerra, dream on!  LL never gets involved in resident-to-resident disputes.  They would never agree to moderate a face to face meeting.  But the idea has merit, if the two parties could settle on some neutral third resident to serve as referee.  I'd do it, but they couldn't afford my fees...I'd have to impose a 5000% Drama Surcharge.

@Lindal Kidd Well it was a idea but I understand. Well it may be best to work some times  or have to love in sl you can move any where sometimes you gotta do what is best.

Edited September 16, 2018 by Dreamerra

[Embera Bloodrose]

I rent a house and little land but there are lines and only people that can get in if I add them to the land or to the group and tenants. my mail box is the add box. Can make it where only group can get in or you have to ass people. My advice set furniture to group only or owner if you don't want people to use your things yes many furniture now these days. Thing is People should not be going in to people homes you have to make some alterations to fix those things You can turn of ban lines when they want people over or want it public. People can't see in my house ether they can come up to the door and ring the bell I don't mind people I had people over but  as long they don't go pass my boundaries rules but manners are must maybe I am little strict but kind but you gotta have some rules. When I have problem I ask the lady where I live when I need help like setting voice to only in the line. Thing is ether make a meeting with this person tell them that not all residents want people going in there home if they don't want that you need to make lines in the area where people rent if some people make friends with these other people that up to the. Make a deal or make you may have to move in the past I had this problem where I rented but there was no lines around the house and anyone could come in just if people rent a house or land they need there privacy. You need to do what is best here in sl you can move in real that is diffren't depending on things. Good luck and happy Fall.

Edited September 16, 2018 by Dreamerra