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Should SL have a secondary 100% in game currency ?

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2 hours ago, CoffeeDujour said:

The code that handles chat relays your messages about without needing to know what is being said. Actually parsing your words would be silly.

Drop rates, caps, gating and variety.

Simple interactions result in a tiny reward with a low daily cap. Gate higher rewards behind more complicated content.

Scripting a bot to talk all day is trivial, scripting a bot to play the Horizons mini game .. not so much (that would be actually impressive)

 

 

The more I think about this idea the more I say NO. This would just increase chat and im spam for absolutely no gain what so ever but in fact a negative impact of us that do like to chat in local or chat with strangers. If those people wanted to do what they are being rewarded for then they would already be doing so. Accept the fact that they may not find those things fun and don't try and coax people into doing stuff they really don't want to.

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Why would you want something, that rewards your every action? Like I don't understand, SL is fine the way it is. Why change it, in a way that would essentially reward everything you do? Why do you need to feel like you got a gold star, for just talking, or even logging on? That and how would you enforce all this? It reminds me of every mobile and FB game, where they had a GEM type system. I tend to stay away from platforms and games, that do that. It just takes away from the experience.

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Speaking as an avid gamer and one whos been playing mmos since mmos existed as well as many "free to play" games: NO THANKS!

The secondary ingame only currency is, as "jim *****ing sterling son" would put it, "The bull***** free currency". you barely have anything to use it on and even then after a certain point it becomes useless. mostly its there to make you feel like you're making progress. Warframe deals with this probably the best, making credits essential to crafting and upgrading, but in most free to play games you can just buy "gold" or "credits" or "bones" or whatever with real money anyway. Especially grevious is this in Vindictus and games like it, where the best geared players arn't the ones working hard, they're the ones that buy gold.

Now SL doesn't operate like a typical mmo, at least not unless someone sets something like that up, so it would work like other social worlds that have the bull***** free currency. in many of these places the free currency can only be used on very few items, and most of these items arn't really things you'd want anyway. I could work hard at something or complete tasks and earn "bits", but whats the point if all of the clothing i can get with them is something a sane person would never be caught burying a dead body in. "better then nothing" falls on deaf ears when you'd literally rather wear nothing.

It would just be something thats sorta there. Nobody would really use it nor have a reason to use it. Personally i like the current system. its alot like roblox. You buy currency or make something and earn it through sales. If theres a secondary currency i'd rather it stick to the little minigames and not be an official thing.

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On 7/19/2018 at 10:16 PM, MaggiJin said:

Speaking as an avid gamer and one whos been playing mmos since mmos existed as well as many "free to play" games: NO THANKS!

The secondary ingame only currency is, as "jim *****ing sterling son" would put it, "The bull***** free currency". you barely have anything to use it on and even then after a certain point it becomes useless. mostly its there to make you feel like you're making progress. Warframe deals with this probably the best, making credits essential to crafting and upgrading, but in most free to play games you can just buy "gold" or "credits" or "bones" or whatever with real money anyway. Especially grevious is this in Vindictus and games like it, where the best geared players arn't the ones working hard, they're the ones that buy gold.

Now SL doesn't operate like a typical mmo, at least not unless someone sets something like that up, so it would work like other social worlds that have the bull***** free currency. in many of these places the free currency can only be used on very few items, and most of these items arn't really things you'd want anyway. I could work hard at something or complete tasks and earn "bits", but whats the point if all of the clothing i can get with them is something a sane person would never be caught burying a dead body in. "better then nothing" falls on deaf ears when you'd literally rather wear nothing.

It would just be something thats sorta there. Nobody would really use it nor have a reason to use it. Personally i like the current system. its alot like roblox. You buy currency or make something and earn it through sales. If theres a secondary currency i'd rather it stick to the little minigames and not be an official thing.

You're operating under the assumption that everyone can afford to buy things on SL with real money. Newsflash, not everyone can afford too, even if they do pay for the internet (which in and of itself is a drain on the wallet).

Only glanced over some of the posts so far. Not for most of the ideas. However, I do think something like a "daily login" where you can have something would be nice (but why another currency? Just give +10L each day or something). It would at least beat the horrid mini games on Second Life. Personally I view that as the lesser of two evils.

Personally I'm very picky about what I spend my hard earned lindens on. But I have gotten most of my stuff for free just for being that nice a guy too. Most of it unasked for. Not everyone has the luxury of being that charming and able to look out for others though.

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2 minutes ago, Taramafor said:

You're operating under the assumption that everyone can afford to buy things on SL with real money. Newsflash, not everyone can afford too, even if they do pay for the internet (which in and of itself is a drain on the wallet).

It doesn't really matter, though. Useless currency remains useless in all cases and you better find something like free surveys on the internet to get $, than spend time farming "in-game gold". And in case with SL, you can learn how to create something very simple and small and sell it for a tiny bit, like 10-50L. You won't earn much, but it still will be more than some useless 2ndary currency.

Sometimes you are given an illusion that you're making progress by collecting said free currency, but in reality you don't. F2P games are the best example, especially F2P mobile games that often have up to like 4-5 different currencies (energy/crystals/gold/dust and "premium credits" for example). When you start playing those, you're usually given the large amounts of free stuff and can upgrade/improve/buy lots of starter things and it does feels good, but shortly after you will see that to continue to make any progress you have to either farm/wait forever or just buy them with $ premium currency. And in many cases it's really pathetic pace of progress unless you're buying it with cash. I'm talking about hours to get 1$ worth of things.

 

So, yeah, to the OP's idea - thanks, but no thanks.

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1 hour ago, steeljane42 said:

And in case with SL, you can learn how to create something very simple and small and sell it for a tiny bit, like 10-50L. You won't earn much, but it still will be more than some useless 2ndary currency.

As someone who's made some tiny one-script functionality stuff for 50L a pop, can confirm. It sells surprisingly well. (Depends what it is of course, mine is an applier for convenience, around 135L per day on average in the last 28 days.)

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5 hours ago, Taramafor said:

Not everyone has the luxury of being that charming and able to look out for others though.

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6 hours ago, Taramafor said:

You're operating under the assumption that everyone can afford to buy things on SL with real money. Newsflash, not everyone can afford too, even if they do pay for the internet (which in and of itself is a drain on the wallet).

 

You are operating under the assumption that people that cant afford to buy lindens should be given them free. Why?

If they want lindens and cant afford them there are a myriad ways of making lindens in game let them use it. I fail absolutely why they should be given free money for annoying the rest of us which as I have pointed out is what will happen with this proposal

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On 7/21/2018 at 4:27 PM, KanryDrago said:

You are operating under the assumption that people that cant afford to buy lindens should be given them free. Why

By this logic you should take away all free ways to earn lindens, which potentially results in a loss of players on Second Life. It's the only thing keeping poor people on the game. Hell, by your logic why have any free ways to earn in game currency at all?

And I never said "give", But there should be ways to earn it in game without real money. Next you'll tell me a game like Warframe shouldn't have free ways for players to earn in game plat through in game trading. Which is why the game is so successful. Completely different game of course, but it still results in "enjoying the online environment".

"free" ways to earn in game currency works, when there's a fair balance. Or otherwise a good community that can support the poor. And "pay with real money only" puts people off a game. It's that simple.

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12 hours ago, Taramafor said:

By this logic you should take away all free ways to earn lindens, which potentially results in a loss of players on Second Life. It's the only thing keeping poor people on the game. Hell, by your logic why have any free ways to earn in game currency at all?

And I never said "give", But there should be ways to earn it in game without real money. Next you'll tell me a game like Warframe shouldn't have free ways for players to earn in game plat through in game trading. Which is why the game is so successful. Completely different game of course, but it still results in "enjoying the online environment".

"free" ways to earn in game currency works, when there's a fair balance. Or otherwise a good community that can support the poor. And "pay with real money only" puts people off a game. It's that simple.

I used the word give because that was what the suggestion was. I have no objection to people earning Lindens at all and no where have I said that I do indeed the rest of the quote you cut is here.

"If they want lindens and cant afford them there are a myriad ways of making lindens in game let them use it. I fail absolutely why they should be given free money for annoying the rest of us which as I have pointed out is what will happen with this proposal"

You also I note failed to address the main point of my objection which is that your proposal is about giving them money to ANNOY the rest of us, by spouting any old crap in local to get some free money or by imming random people to get some free money.

Thankfully not even the labs are stupid enough to not figure out that your suggestion would lead to a quicker outflux of people as the game becomes unplayable due to random garbage cluttering up local and an unending stream of ims from people who dont actually want to talk to you

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On 21-7-2018 at 11:09 AM, Taramafor said:

Just give +10L each day or something). It would at least beat the horrid mini games on Second Life. Personally I view that as the lesser of two evils.

so, you don't want to put any efford on it... just give it...

how on earth you think the people who DO buy L$ get the money for it?.... come from your lazy ass and work for it in SL or RL... nothing, really nothing comes for free.

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On 7/16/2018 at 4:16 AM, KT Kingsley said:

On second thoughts... does anyone know where I can get an LSL blockchain script?

I have one, but good luck finding a region to run it in.

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1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said:

so, you don't want to put any efford on it... just give it...

how on earth you think the people who DO buy L$ get the money for it?.... come from your lazy ass and work for it in SL or RL... nothing, really nothing comes for free.

blame the socialists, they say you can have everything for free if only the rich will pay their fair share

*rolls eyes*

 

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13 minutes ago, Phorumities said:

blame the socialists, they say you can have everything for free if only the rich will pay their fair share

*rolls eyes*

...and here we go again... what's your problem, girlie? Did your mommy make you share your box of ice-cream with the less fortunate kids in the street?

... whatever happens you try to derail every goddamn thread into a socialism debate...

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1 minute ago, Fionalein said:

...and here we go again... what's your problem, girlie? Did your mommy make you share your box of ice-cream with the less fortunate kids in the street?

that's the word... MAKE you share.

voluntary charity is wonderful forced charity is theft.

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Can't you just leave it alone? At this point, everyone got the memo that you dislike anything related to socialism. You do not have to spin every topic into a goddamn political debate where you insult anyone not agreeing with you as being a drone and thusly not being able to think for themselves.

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The entire Democratic party platform can be summed up thus, and it even rhymes

"Life is unfair, because the rich won't pay their fair share"

It reduces to an easy chant, also suitable for posters to carry in those endless street demos the leftists run

Make the rich pay

Make the rick pay

Make the rich pay

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1 minute ago, Sukubia Scarmon said:

Can't you just leave it alone? At this point, everyone got the memo that you dislike anything related to socialism. You do not have to spin every topic into a goddamn political debate where you insult anyone not agreeing with you as being a drone and thusly not being able to think for themselves.

Actually i have the right to respond to any post in any way i wish.

I'm not insulting anyone, I learned that lesson before, but, If you feel i'm violating the TOS, feel free to report me

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8 minutes ago, Phorumities said:

I'm not insulting anyone, ...

No but you continue poking folks with ideas they don't like - and if you ask me you do it just for your entertainment of watching their reaction ... and that's just as bad. As I said in another thread I even suspect you do it with the intent of getting the threads closed after an escalting debate you started ... there is some method to your ramblings. Do not take us for more stupid than we are.

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1 minute ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Explain this "right." Where does it come from?

Obviously not from the "offended" members of the forum.

In the forums at least, I much prefer a dictatorship to a democracy.

 

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4 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Explain this "right." Where does it come from?

 

3 minutes ago, Phorumities said:

Obviously not from the "offended" members of the forum

I didn't think so...

This forum is the private property of Linden Lab, which, as you've maintained in another thread, is a business and not a government. Are you saying there is a right to do whatever you want on someone else's property?

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1 minute ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

 

 

I didn't think so...

This forum is the private property of Linden Lab, which, as you've maintained in another thread, is a business and not a government. Are you saying there is a right to do whatever you want on someone else's property?

I'm saying its entirely LL's right to decide if I have crossed the line in some way.

I don't believe  I have.

If I'm mistaken, LL will advise me of my transgressions.

Last post to you on this topic because LL DOES take a dim view of two people arguing back and forth in a non productive manner.

Perhaps I should report you.

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