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58 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

We can’t whine retroactively?

We can, but it's not the future we'd be whining about :D

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We were told for years, by multiple CEOs, that development would be prohibitively difficult to merely re-enable last names. Now we're going to get that and some related features, including the ability to change names, which is beyond the scope of just re-enabling last names for new accounts. We've already seen that it's absorbing a ton of development resources. So the proper fairness question is: who should pay for all that development?

The share of the bill for this -- and everything else -- is currently overwhelmingly paid by landowners. That includes Premium Mainland owners and Estates and indirectly all the folks who pay rent for Estate land. They paid a hugely disproportionate share of development but will not enjoy differential benefits.

Clearly it would be more "fair" to recover all those development costs by charging those who get the benefit -- that means a hefty user fee for each name change.

This also suits the Lab's goal to shift revenue from the Land product to other sources. Somehow we're taking the "fairness" topic seriously, although pricing is always purely a Marketing issue.

I don't see an obvious reason why name-changing should be part of a Premium bundle, but anyway I can discern no clear marketing strategy behind what's already bundled in the current Premium subscription.

So if it's all up for grabs, in the universe of hypothetical outcomes, how does one decide which ones are worth complaining about in advance?

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3 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

We were told for years, by multiple CEOs, that development would be prohibitively difficult to merely re-enable last names.

We were told that because they didn't want to do it, and it was more than a case of just flicking a flag. Now they actually want to do it, so it's not prohibitively difficult any more. The perception of difficulty is a matter of desire.

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3 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:
4 hours ago, ellestones said:

that we feel is fundamental to being human. Expressing our feelings is also fundamental.  That another people's expression of their feelings is seen as inconsequential whining, is how you feel  

so what you in fact say is i can't feel the way i do , what she feels is ok and is ok to expres , but my feeling is wrong, and your feeling is superior above anything that isn't agreeing with you.

let me guess... millenium snowflake?

Saying 'it's not fair' is often an emotional shortcut for 'my needs have not been considered', and in no way means they have weighed out fairness as one does in a court of law. Logically, you are right in that the concept of 'fairness' implies a logical consideration, but by responding logically instead of responding to the underlying emotional dynamics you demonstrate a lack of emotional awareness and ability to respond appropriately to others.


By responding with namecalling (snowflake, whiner) you have effectively shut off the persons ability to determine the other sides perspective and needs in the conflict -- instead, the person complaining often just feels they are bad, wrong, and that their needs have not been taken into account yet again.
If you really cared about resolving the issue more than namecalling you would simply point out the facts for the other side in hopes they would gain a better perspective.
I've found that once you present the other side the person usually drops the 'but it's not fair' stance.

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As far as I know there has not been any definitive answer yet.  The most likely scenario is that name changes will be open to anyone at an escalating cost.  Whether or not premium get any advantage is unknown.

What I would call unfair is expecting the people who spent their time and efforts coding the feature should not be paid for their work.  Expecting something to be given to you that other people are paying for is also unfair.

It will cost what it costs.  It is up to each individual to determine if the value is worth the price. 

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On 7/30/2018 at 2:11 AM, Phil Deakins said:

Is there any suggestion or information to say that name changes will only be for premium account?

One of the 'interviews with a Linden' mentioned something that indicated only Premium accounts would be able to choose a name.  Off the top of my head, i'm drawing a blank on where it came from, but will do some searching.

 

Found the info:

https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/423219-the-latest-on-last-names/?page=6&tab=comments#comment-1757717

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I remember it now. Thank you.

If Dakota is correct, and that's not guaranteed, then the way that last-name-changes is planned to be done is ridiculous. In fact it's bl**dy stupid. Bringing last names back is good, but not having the ability to change or modify first names is idiotic, bcause new accounts will still have to come up with a unique first name to go with the Resident last name, such as Phil123765, and it can't be changed.

If they do it the way that Dakota wrote, what started as a good idea will become a real pig's ear.

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5 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

but not having the ability to change or modify first names is idiotic,

I think this happens at the time when you buy a last name.  Just like before, you put in the name you want and get a list of last names you can use to pick from.

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Not according to Dakota's post that LittleMe linked to.

In fact, I posted about it in a reply to Dakota.

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1. ALL new accounts will be created with the Resident last name. Whether your personal choice in viewers allows that name to be hidden or not, ALL new accounts will have the last name of Resident. 

2. IF a user chooses to become a Premium Member, they will have an option to purchase a different last name. The available last names will be from a Pre-Approved, rotating, list. If you do not want to purchase the option for a different last name, then don't. No one is being FORCED to choose a last name other than Resident.

3. Will having the option to choose a last name change the gobbledy-***** first names? No. Why? Because some people will still choose to have weird or goofy first names that have no meaning at all, regardless of whether or not last names are available. 

4. Will using your preferred, chosen, first name be easier when last names are available? YES!  Why? Because you pick your own first name, then have an option from a pre-approved list of last names, to pick from.  This means you will ALWAYS be able to have your preferred, chosen, first name, even if someone else is also using that name. Provided you are a Premium Account member AND you have paid for the option to have a different last name. 

I understand the original Resident name must be unique, but then afterwards, if you buy a last name, "you pick your own first name, then have an option from a pre-approved list of last names, to pick from."

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5 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

Not according to Dakota's post that LittleMe linked to.

In fact, I posted about it in a reply to Dakota.

But if you keep reading that thread that was linked to you'll find a link to a post by Patch Linden saying that you'll be able to change your first and last name at the second time. Deja vu all over again...

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On 7/30/2018 at 8:47 AM, Phil Deakins said:
On 7/30/2018 at 7:48 AM, Love Zhaoying said:

We can’t whine retroactively?

We can, but it's not the future we'd be whining about :D

In the future, our whining will be Epic. All of this whining now is just practice.

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On 7/30/2018 at 9:26 AM, Luna Bliss said:

Saying 'it's not fair' is often an emotional shortcut for 'my needs have not been considered', and in no way means they have weighed out fairness as one does in a court of law. Logically, you are right in that the concept of 'fairness' implies a logical consideration, but by responding logically instead of responding to the underlying emotional dynamics you demonstrate a lack of emotional awareness and ability to respond appropriately to others.


By responding with namecalling (snowflake, whiner) you have effectively shut off the persons ability to determine the other sides perspective and needs in the conflict -- instead, the person complaining often just feels they are bad, wrong, and that their needs have not been taken into account yet again.
If you really cared about resolving the issue more than namecalling you would simply point out the facts for the other side in hopes they would gain a better perspective.
I've found that once you present the other side the person usually drops the 'but it's not fair' stance.

not with snowflakes though, they can't conceive of a situation where anything is more important than fairness ie getting what they what when they want it.

in a way its what their hippie parents taught them from their activist days.... chant it with me...

What do we want? PEACE

When do we want it? NOW

In this case you can blame the parents or maybe even the grandparents for raising such selfish selfcentered brats.

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45 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

In the future, our whining will be Epic. All of this whining now is just practice.

Considering all the whining about President Trump I'd definately say the future is now

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4 minutes ago, Phorumities said:

Considering all the whining about President Trump I'd definately say the future is now

And reason enough your countrymen have - after all he's just about to put the US back into the place it belongs xD

You will be astonished I share his vision, I just judge the direction he leads you all different ;)

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Just now, Fionalein said:

And reason enough your countrymen have - after all he's just about to put the US back into the place it belongs xD

You will be astonished I share his vision, I just judge the direction he leads you all different ;)

I'm pretty sure its mostly the leftists that are whining. they are counting the years untill one of theirs gets back in so they can put the country back on what they think is the right track.... more free stuff for everyone.

 

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15 minutes ago, Phorumities said:

I'm pretty sure its mostly the leftists that are whining. they are counting the years untill one of theirs gets back in so they can put the country back on what they think is the right track.... more free stuff for everyone.

 

Of course they are, because they have more foresight, rest assured your political faction will do their fair share in the whining afterwards too once you got what you voted for and realize that being press ganged to do what the bigger fish want without regulation is no fun xD

 

EDIT: how the hell did Tea-Party snowflake even wing around another thread into a Trump debate? Does she get paid for this?

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2 hours ago, Fionalein said:

Of course they are, because they have more foresight, rest assured your political faction will do their fair share in the whining afterwards too once you got what you voted for and realize that being press ganged to do what the bigger fish want without regulation is no fun xD

 

EDIT: how the hell did Tea-Party snowflake even wing around another thread into a Trump debate? Does she get paid for this?

Be careful, don’t get our pretty thread locked! I think we are just being trolled.

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4 hours ago, Phorumities said:
On ‎7‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 8:26 AM, Luna Bliss said:


I've found that once you present the other side the person usually drops the 'but it's not fair' stance.

not with snowflakes though, they can't conceive of a situation where anything is more important than fairness ie getting what they what when they want it.

in a way its what their hippie parents taught them from their activist days....

Yes, indeed, there are 'snowflakes', but it's also true that everybody has a bit of a snowflake in them.
 ** brushes off a dusting of snow **

The key is determining when or TO WHAT DEGREE someone actually attains the full name of Snowflake proper. That's not easy to determine, because as I said before everybody is a little bit snowflaky and this attribute is on a continuum...we have our own concerns that limit our attention to what we need unless we make an attempt to see the other side. Empathy is a learned skill, and unfortunately some parents don't teach it well, and perhaps some people aren't as suited to rising to meta levels and being objective.
I would not think someone attained the full title of Snowflake proper until they demonstrate they actually CAN see the other side but believe they are superior and so only their own needs matter. In reality, going by statistics, there's only a minor percentage of people who are true narcissists, sociopaths, or psychopaths though. The rest of us are just self-centered at times and have trouble seeing beyond our noses, depending on our stress level, egos, past parenting, or cognitive abilities.

I wonder if you have the ability to think in complex ways, as you evaluate most everything in black and white terms. If somebody is an activist then in your eyes they are a snowflake. All people to the left of you are snowflakes or socialists. If one believes in any sort of government intervention then you label them as socialist/communist. It has to either be individual rights or societal rights -- it can't be both.
You don't seem to realize there's a middle ground in most every dynamic, with gradations or shades of gray. In recovery lingo when you are unable to see gradations or shades of gray and resort to such black & white thinking it's called 'stinkin thinkin', and among Psyc people they'd say you have a cognitive deficit most outgrow as they leave toddlerhood.
Your freedom, as an alt-right/4chan/Tea Party whatever you are is more important than homeless people freezing to death on the streets, babies who need food stamps, elderly who need to live out the last phase of their life in dignity -- I think you might be a snowflake.

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2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Yes, indeed, there are 'snowflakes', but it's also true that everybody has a bit of a snowflake in them.
 ** brushes off a dusting of snow **

The key is determining when or TO WHAT DEGREE someone actually attains the full name of Snowflake proper. That's not easy to determine, because as I said before everybody is a little bit snowflaky and this attribute is on a continuum...we have our own concerns that limit our attention to what we need unless we make an attempt to see the other side. Empathy is a learned skill, and unfortunately some parents don't teach it well, and perhaps some people aren't as suited to rising to meta levels and being objective.
I would not think someone attained the full title of Snowflake proper until they demonstrate they actually CAN see the other side but believe they are superior and so only their own needs matter. In reality, going by statistics, there's only a minor percentage of people who are true narcissists, sociopaths, or psychopaths though. The rest of us are just self-centered at times and have trouble seeing beyond our noses, depending on our stress level, egos, past parenting, or cognitive abilities.

I wonder if you have the ability to think in complex ways, as you evaluate most everything in black and white terms. If somebody is an activist then in your eyes they are a snowflake. All people to the left of you are snowflakes or socialists. If one believes in any sort of government intervention then you label them as socialist/communist. It has to either be individual rights or societal rights -- it can't be both.
You don't seem to realize there's a middle ground in most every dynamic, with gradations or shades of gray. In recovery lingo when you are unable to see gradations or shades of gray and resort to such black & white thinking it's called 'stinkin thinkin', and among Psyc people they'd say you have a cognitive deficit most outgrow as they leave toddlerhood.
Your freedom, as an alt-right/4chan/Tea Party whatever you are is more important than homeless people freezing to death on the streets, babies who need food stamps, elderly who need to live out the last phase of their life in dignity -- I think you might be a snowflake.

Libertarian, free market capitalist, oh and a Nationalist

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