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I'm sorry, I think my reference to gumball machines may have clouded the issue. Let's forget about that, leaving food out of this. The other example I mentioned, though, still stands. You pay your money and get a plastic capsule with a toy in it.

Regarding your comments about Gacha and the odds of getting a particular item, this reminds me of Claw Machines, or Claw Cranes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claw_crane). These are items where you pay money, then manipulate the controls in order to acquire a prize from the machine. Unlike a Gacha, there is no guarantee of getting anything from them. (In fact, there have been scandals where operators were accused of manipulating the machines to not pay out).

So, looking at the definition of gambling:

-Risk something of value - you have to pay to play

-Contest of chance - This is arguable. With the toy vending machine, it's up to chance what drops out of the machine when you turn the crank. With the Claw, I suppose it could be argued that there is some "skill" involved, though I never saw any sign of skill, as the crane seemed to move around randomly. It always looked like a game of chance to me.

-Receive something of value - If it works, you get the toy. If it doesn't work, you get nothing. The vending machine always gives something. The Claw machine, not so much.

Legally, I couldn't find anything about the vending machines. But the Crane machines are sometimes considered gambling (see the section under Legality in the link I provided above), and sometimes are not. According to that link, there seem to be two criteria to determine the legality of those machines. One benchmark used is the wholesale value of the item to be won - if it's below a certain threshold, it's not considered an issue, although I suspect that might be just as much a decision that it's not worth the effort to pursue, even if it does legally meet the definition of gambling. But this rationale might cover Gacha machines as well. I honestly don't know what the price range of items in them are, nor do I know the value of the prizes that trigger the government view of the legality of the machine. Another benchmark is the player can attempt the game until winning a prize. I.e., the player gets something for the money invested. That rationale sounds like it would make a good defense for the Gacha machines.

It is an interesting legal question, however. And I think it very likely that Linden Labs has legal staff considering it, to keep anyone from being hauled off to jail any time soon.

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Ok,

is this thread about AFK hangouts or about gambling?
If its about gambling, I am trying to get together some folks for a private poker round once a week.

If its not, can we get back to the original subject?

 

 

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21 minutes ago, carolinestravels said:

Ok,

is this thread about AFK hangouts or about gambling?
If its about gambling, I am trying to get together some folks for a private poker round once a week.

If its not, can we get back to the original subject?

I think the actual thread ended somewhere around the time when someone pointed out that the AFK places have "higher traffic numbers" due to the sims being near-full 24/7 because people are AFK and time is ticking. The number of people who do more than check in is not reflected by the traffic stats.

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16 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

I think the actual thread ended somewhere around the time when someone pointed out that the AFK places have "higher traffic numbers" due to the sims being near-full 24/7 because people are AFK and time is ticking. The number of people who do more than check in is not reflected by the traffic stats.

Traffic can be bumped, believe me, I earn my Second Life living as a traffic generating extra =^.^=

And nope, it went downhill went someone tried to explain how important gamifying AFK-whoring is =^.^=

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Even though @Lys1990 might not always bring it in the most friendly way, she makes a few very good points. Everyone knows there are plenty of cheaper options to make an avi looking good, but we are talking AFK scene here and that's on a whole different level than just looking good for your own taste, or looking good to your partners taste, or in general. Its also a lot different than active escorts who besides their looks mostly get judged on their roleplay skills.

For the RLV part, yes there are options even free ones, but if you look at the AFK places with rooms, where these move around RLV is of use, 90% of them use the Force Sit hud . Not because its the only one, but because its easy to configure and reconfigure if you change your room and it only allows movement to your preset furniture so no abuse, and its click/menu driven for the "operator". You want to keep it simple for your guests. All they do is click on your head, and they get a pop up menu with your available locations. Keep operating you simple is a prime goals for an AFK model.

Force Sit: L$499,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/RLV-Force-Me-To-Sit/13374717

You will want to have some body parts. And yes, there are cheaper ones that look awesome. Still majority wil pick the VAW combinations, notonly because they look good, but they are interactive, and guests can "play" with them.

*****: L$ 825,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-*****-v28-3D-*****/217671
Nipples: L$ 495,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-Nipples-V28/217670
Ass: L$ 549,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-Ass-v26/217663
Mouth/Tongue: L$ 350,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-Mouth-v25-Tongue/5951356

There are other good, easy to use interactive ones, like sensations, but same price class

Another must have is the It'sNotMine ***** system, prefered with at least the 1st add-on, else it won't allow them to release inside your back entrance.

It's Not Mine body: L$ 999,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Its-NOT-Mine-Body-*****-System/11319317
It's Not Mine add-on: L$ 499,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Its-NOT-Mine-Arms-Legs-Add-On/11717020

After thats setup, next will be your wardrobe. Not the actual outfits, but making it customizable. Again this can be done with other RLV systems, but the go-to option here is Virtual Wardrobe. Same reasons as the Force Sit: Its a closed system that only gives the options you want, no abuse. Also very easy to confugre and recongigure eacht time you like to add or remove something. And most important, its very user frinedly to use for the guests. Keep it simple.

Virtual Wardrobe: L$ 699,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Virtual-Wardrobe/10661199
VW Remote control: L$ 399,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VirtualWardrobeRemote-AddOn/10663554

Another HUD that is kinda must have if you are talking about beng a top dog..or *****... Is the Mama Allpa, where you can allow the clients to knock you up.

Mama Allpa Female:L$ 249,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Mama-Allpa-F/649356
Mama Allpa Forced add: L$ 99,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Mama-Allpa-Force-Add-On/6225186

Also there is another option, the Deciduan system, but MamaAllpa seems more popular, and prices do not differ much.

So now you are set up with only the technical aspects, HUDs, body parts etc. And we are already at L$5662,-

Next step will be the body and head. I agree Maitreya is not the best looking one nude, but full nude does not matter the most. The VAW parts make the look better anyway, and since you have a virtual wardrobe, you will want to be customize able with the sexiest AFK capable outfits anyway. Since the best quality fashion usually comes for Maitreya and some other big names, but always Maitreya, its a very good option to go with as body. It might be more expensive, but it will never lock you out of outfits, and since AFK capable outfits are rare already, you do not want that.

Maitreya Lara body: L$ 2750 (only in-world)

For a bento head (yes, you want bento for bento enabled furniture) of course there are options, cheap ones, expensive ones, each to their own taste. But keep in mind, you are not buying for your own taste. You can call them duckface or whatever, even if you do not like them best yourself, the Lelutka and Catwa are the most popular out there. Are there non better? I don't know, maybe there are. Are the others more popular? I don't think so, and we are gong for top AFK model, so we need the most popular.

Catwa/Lelutka bento head: L$5000,-

You can go for a cheaper option, and maybe do just as good. I have seen a few good models do a Viasta head for example. So on the total costs of the avi, there is always some fluctuation. By if you always go for the cheaper variations n all above parts and huds, you will end up with a less good AFK doll. Not saying less avi, but less AFK avie.

Skins have a lot of options. Hard to set a price on it. I usually prefer skins that are made with Maitreya and Catwa in mind, since I have those for body/head, and the ones I like are 900,- ish. There are cheaper ones, there are more expensive ones. Again, there is some variation possible.

Modern Skin L$ 900,- 

For shape I would never buy a preset one myself. I just use the one that comes with the mesh head, and start customizing it to my own taste. You want to be good looking but also unique looking, so always customize. Not putting L$ on the shape therefor. 

So, set up with body and huds and stuff, I am now at L$ 14312,- Again this can variate a bit because there's always options that are more to your liking, but that will not influence cost a lot unless you go shop "smart"and end up with a lot of cheaper stuff, that will just not make it in the AFK business.

So now comes the outfits. With the outfits I also mean hair, even if its a body part category more, you want to have several pieces of good hair to match different outfits and tastes of guests, and they can easily swap them using the Virtual Wardrobe. I'm just going with a number, lets say 5 x har of different styles. Prices and quality variate, but I think its save to say a good quality hair is 250ihs

5 x hair: L$ 1250,-

Doing same with footwear, you will want a few options. Heels, pumps, boots, classy, *****ty and so on. There's cheap ones, there's expensive ones. I usually go for 200 to 500ish, will set 250 again as price as nice middle ground. Will do 10 x, because there's a lot of different tastes. And we are gong for a top model that offers variation, and can have a different look each day.

10 x footware: L$ 2500,-

Clothing is a special thing. Theres so many options there normally, but you must keep in mind, you have to go for AFK capable clots. So prefered have both entrances uncoverd, and leave you nipples exposed. That cuts down a massive amounts of available cloths and lingerie. So in this category sometimes you just have to buy the overpriced one because its rare to find something that is really good AND afk compatible. I find it hard to set a price on it, but I dare its save to say, if you again want to ad variation. Lingerie, latex, leather, toys, (bento gags, blindoflds etc.) and go for quality and styles that are not just your tatse, but general popular taste, you easily hit 10k  

Fashion & toys: L$ 10000,-

So that puts us on L$ 28062,-

Now we have a fully customizable, popular branded, well outfitted AFK doll with the right huds and scripted parts. For myself I would add a good AO aswell, since you will spend time not sitting in your furniture, when walking around, shopping, just hanging and chatting with clients. But looking strict at functioning AFK its not needed, so I left it out of here.

Now you might think we are done now? wrong. We are talking top ***** here, best earners in AFK scene. These are not the ones sitting in one piece of furniture at an AFK sim. Nope, its the ones who rent a room. L$ 200,- ish per week. And those rooms usualy come with options for furniture the sim owner gives, and these are fine, but you really want to customize your room to make it stand out from all the other rooms. You easily have to spend over L$15k on top rates modern age, preferable bento, sex furniture, and other decorations to make your room awesome. Competition really is fierce! Sleeping Beauty is a top sim, most popular AFK room sim out there, but that also means you have to compete with 30+ other girls in rooms. So standing out is so very important!

Add this to the above investment and you sit at: L$ 40000 (more or less) and L$200 per week. And now you can start...

Its really not as easy to get a top AFK doll as many think. And I see many try. Girls who look good enough to please their own taste, to be generally good looking and could probably seduce any guy looking for it, they fail at AFK sims because they sit in the same position in the same outfit and same look day after day, offer no interaction, are not unique or special enough and so on. Some really well made ones do get decent tips just sitting like that, usually they are ones that fit to a certain type (racial, fetish, whatever, and are really well done in that type) but they do not get close to top models. Im talking about a good "default" afk sitter maybe 250 a night if lucky, but a top class one does 500+ per client.

Even top looking girls, with all the options, and their own room on a popular sim still need to work for it. There are several big AFK groups where you have to keep pumping in advertisement selling yourself. Some choose to also use ad board on the more popular sims, adding another L$150,- per week average per ad board. You have to interact with your guests even if you do not sexually emote/roleplay, you thank them for tips, sometimes some chatting, get an outfit or look that they love if they are really good returning tippers. Make them feel special as much as possible even while your AFK at the actual deed. Still, the best payed models mix, AFK with sometimes roleplay is they are available.

Myself, i'm not a top AFK model. I don't have to be, since I am not in it for money, I like running an AFK place and I sit at my own too when Im away from the PC. I have maybe half the HUDs above, and way more outfits since this is not just an AFK doll but my main avie. I do not roleplay at all with clients, hardly advertise in groups, no ad boards for my person (only for my sim), do have a room of course. Without sounding cocky I do think I have a good enough looking avi and customizable enough, and still I only make maybe 500 a night fully AFK. 

All of this is my opinion, based on my experience participating in the AFK scene for quite a while, and running an AFK sim for 6 months now. Not saying its the only way, or the best way, its the way I see it. (and please no nitpicking on grammar and spelling, majority of users on forums like these have English as extra language, non native (me included...)

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24 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

Traffic can be bumped, believe me, I earn my Second Life living as a traffic generating extra =^.^=

And nope, it went downhill went someone tried to explain how important gamifying AFK-whoring is =^.^=

This train was way off-track long before the current gamble-ramble. (I read the entire thing.)

It wasn't really my point though, my point was that the last thing of significant substance was said around page 2 of 6.

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4 hours ago, Fionalein said:

Traffic can be bumped, believe me, I earn my Second Life living as a traffic generating extra =^.^=

Ah, so its your avatar in one of these cheap looking Motel AFK sims leaning on the pink car, with an empty tipjar? Only good for traffic, yep. 

4 hours ago, Zeta Vandyke said:

Even though @Lys1990 might not always bring it in the most friendly way, she makes a few very good points. Everyone knows there are plenty of cheaper options to make an avi looking good, but we are talking AFK scene here and that's on a whole different level than just looking good for your own taste, or looking good to your partners taste, or in general. Its also a lot different than active escorts who besides their looks mostly get judged on their roleplay skills.

I suppose they are a bit jealous about it or don't understand the needs which is why they make so little or have no success in this business. 

One of the biggest things you have to overcome when doing this is not to design your avatar with what you find pretty/sexy. I prefer my avatar petite, rather smaller cup size (C-cup-esque), but petite doesn't pay in most places and for most types. 

Adding certain curves and bigger breasts surely helps, even if that's not your personal "beauty ideal". Like I said earlier, it's about min/maxing in other MMOs. It's either finding the correct niche or hitting the sweet spot your customers taste. 

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Force Sit: L$499,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/RLV-Force-Me-To-Sit/13374717

You will want to have some body parts. And yes, there are cheaper ones that look awesome. Still majority wil pick the VAW combinations, notonly because they look good, but they are interactive, and guests can "play" with them.

*****: L$ 825,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-*****-v28-3D-*****/217671
Nipples: L$ 495,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-Nipples-V28/217670
Ass: L$ 549,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-Ass-v26/217663
Mouth/Tongue: L$ 350,- https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/VAW-Mouth-v25-Tongue/5951356

You forgot the spankers, i.e. "CODE-5 Real Spank" 4 of them each for Ass, Breasts, Face and *****. They are pretty popular among the high-tipping visitors of these places.

That's another ~2000 L$

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I have maybe half the HUDs above, and way more outfits since this is not just an AFK doll but my main avie. I do not roleplay at all with clients, hardly advertise in groups, no ad boards for my person (only for my sim), do have a room of course. Without sounding cocky I do think I have a good enough looking avi and customizable enough, and still I only make maybe 500 a night fully AFK. 

500 L$ a night is pretty decent, not too shabby. Of course as  a sim owner it will barely cover the land costs, but you probably have other sources of income for that. 

I also have a couple of things I'm working on to further improve the tips and how to fish out the best-tipping ones out of the big wide sea of AFK visitors and to reduce the number of the low-/non-tippers. 

 

For alts approx the same money needs to be spent on. I haven't cashed out any of my money yet and have no plans to do so. Some of it I spend on my alts, to get new fashion etc. Other just remains there and piles up. In future there will always be enough opportunities to spend money on. And of course it pays my villa's land tier :P

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10 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

Ah, so its your avatar in one of these cheap looking Motel AFK sims leaning on the pink car, with an empty tipjar? Only good for traffic, yep. 

Can't do without the cheapest insults, can you? No not every one is whoring out :P

You could save yourself all that equipment. I begin to suspect they pay you to stay AFK =^.^=

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1 minute ago, Fionalein said:

Can't do without the cheapest insults, can you?

It was no insult. I was fully serious. When exploring other AFK sims to probe the competition there and see what's getting popular I came across one of the AFK girls called Fiona and since you said  "earn my Second Life living as a traffic generating extra" it was safe to assume it's you :P 

1 minute ago, Fionalein said:

You could save yourself all that equipment. I begin to suspect they pay you to stay AFK =^.^=

The good thing with AFK dolls is, you get paid even when you're AFK. So I can post here and still make my $$$. 

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25 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

500 L$ a night is pretty decent, not too shabby.

US$1.93 Let's say for 12 hours as you sleep. That is costing you US$1.52 in power, so you make a grand total of L$104

If you are doing this for money, you can get more than that in Linden Realms.

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43 minutes ago, Callum Meriman said:

US$1.93 Let's say for 12 hours as you sleep. That is costing you US$1.52 in power, so you make a grand total of L$104

I suggest doing some math first. First, 500 L$ is 2.01$ (when selling at current 248 L$ / $ rate) and 2nd your calculation is just plain wrong. 

Last time I meassured my OLD system with its inefficient 5 year old CPU it was at 110W per hour, with monitor enabled in idle mode (when not doing anything or just the typical desktop work. Without the monitor its around 90W at best. 

For SL this also applies, when the viewer is minimized the CPU and/or graphic card is barely used. 

Now with that numbers, 12 hours * 90W = 1080W. Or 2160 W for 24 hours. 

That's 1.08 and 2.16 kWh respectively at an average price of 27 cent (US prices or something around 29 Euro Cent (~35 US cent) in Europe per kWh. 

You come to 29.16 and 58.32 cent respectively for the US average or 0.38 to 0.75 for the EU market at 12 and 24 hours respectively

However this can be pushed down further, by i.e. enabling the energy saving mode in your, which lets your CPU run in low voltage power-saving mode. That should bring that old system to maybe 65-70W. If you have an SSD inside w/o HDDs, that's another 4.5-6W less per (mechanical) HDD. 

Newer Desktops draw even less power, the Skylake/Kabylake/Coffee Lake generation of CPUs has a TDP (on gaming CPUs) of 95W (from 145W on the older models).

If you have a laptop (preferably an ultrabook), its even less power consumption. Something along the lines of 40W with monitor turned off, with power-saving mode even as less as 30-ish W., that would mean 1/3 of the above costs. 

 

That being said, its 0,58 and 0.75 cent for 24 hour usage, that's 145-188 L$ costs per night when run on a desktop computer or around 48-62 L$ on a modern ultrabook. Only requirement for SL is to have a graphic card and plenty of memory (16 GB is good enough for 3 or even 4 instance of SL at low settings minimized). 

Add two alts to it and you are at 1500 L$ per night vs. 48-62 L$ electricity costs. 

Don't forget, 500 L$ per day means 15k L$ per month, that's 60$. More than enough to pay tier within SL and go on "phat shopping tour" with all of your alts

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If you are doing this for money, you can get more than that in Linden Realms.

I doubt you will, but feel free to try it anyways. Not to speak that you have to attend (and then SL draws significantly more power when not minimized).

I don't think any of the people running one or more AFK does it to cash it out. It's either a proof of concept, covering in-world bills such as land tier and shopping or as a way to equip their alts with the best stuff possible.

Like I said, for me it's just gaming around the system for the sake of getting the max out of it (with the least possible effort) :P I did the same when skilled gaming was new, made tons of L$ (in some cases so much that I could have quit my RL job). What's not spent, for tier and shopping its still there piling up, trading on Lindex with it back and forth.

Not a shabby business. Gives better interest than putting the money on a bank (where you get like 0.1% interest at 2-3% inflation) or into an equity fund LOL. 

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6 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

Like I said, for me it's just gaming around the system for the sake of getting the max out of it (with the least possible effort) :P I did the same when skilled gaming was new, made tons of L$ (in some cases so much that I could have quit my RL job). What's not spent, for tier and shopping its still there piling up, trading on Lindex with it back and forth.

Not a shabby business. Gives better interest than putting the money on a bank (where you get like 0.1% interest at 2-3% inflation) or into an equity fund LOL. 

Pics or it didn't happen =^.^=

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12 hours ago, Callum Meriman said:

That is costing you US$1.52 in power,

 

11 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

Now with that numbers, 12 hours * 90W = 1080W. Or 2160 W for 24 hours. 

That's 1.08 and 2.16 kWh respectively at an average price of 27 cent (US prices or something around 29 Euro Cent (~35 US cent) in Europe per kWh. 

I dont run any afk dolls, but if, then i just would spend a few watts on them.
The Lumiya viewer works very fine on a android cellphone.

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3 hours ago, Fionalein said:

Pics or it didn't happen =^.^=

Calculate it yourself. With the current Lindex exchange rates you get a RoI of ~8.5% annually at 8000$ 30-day Lindex limit. Of course, that's nothing to what Linden Labs makes, who earn 70$  per daily limit transaction (~5 times as much). Still 8.5% annually, you will have VERY HARD times finding RoI that's as good in RL without investing in high-risk assets (such as shares into specific highly rated companies - people usually invest equity funds, where the money is distributed among many different shares to lower the risk, but the RoI of it is 4-5% at best and your money locked in it for years, hard to pull out quickly when you need it) 

Just cause you lack in math skills, doesn't mean everyone did sleep in the math classes. 

Same for the "skilled gaming". Play low, write down your scores, calculate the probabilities. Then choose the machine with the best probabilities and the sim with the highest direct bonuses. Probability depends on the scores, so you need enough data to calculate (or give a very good estimate on it). Even a slight change of score on these machines can have 2-4% RoI impact. But most skilled gaming sim operators these days know that too, that's why personal bonuses (like 2-3% payout on next day AND 8-10% replay bonus) are almost non-existing these days. It's all about math (specifically statistics and probabilities), nothing more. 

These days you only have these excessively high shared/collective jackpots, where a percentage of your money goes to the jackpot to lure the stupid addicted people w/ a lack of skill into the casinos... eh sorry "skilled gaming" sims. Making constant profits from skilled gaming doesn't work anymore since, so you can forget these. The scores of the machines are configured to haven an return rate of ~88-95% these days, so overtime you will always lose money, unless you get the jackpot, so the risk isn't worth it as the chance for the jackpots are hilariously low. The shared jackpots are only there to lure people. Even real world casinos have better return rate than that. 

One of the few operators running machines with a good RoI and high direct bonuses (Replay + cash bonuses + 15 min raffle that sum up to at least 9 to 12%) was banned and had his operator license revoked (people who play SL for a while may know who I was referring to) - hence also all of the gaming machines being forbidden by this operator - when trying to move out the money from his operator accounts to his personal account, so these sims aren't available anymore. That was back in 2014 or so.

Not to say you can't make money anymore in these casino sims. It's just not as easy anymore and the risks is very high.

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5 minutes ago, Resi Pfeffer said:

I dont run any afk dolls, but if, then i just would spend a few watts on them.
The Lumiya viewer works very fine on a android cellphone.

That's close on the border to botting though. But it's very cost effective, that's correct. 

And its not good for interacting with your visitors. Lying there can make you a good buck, but from time to time interacting with the people brings you more regulars, when they know you're not just a money farming bot. 

A full charge of a smartphone is around 8-9W per charging. So if you do that daily its 3285 Wh or 3.285 kWh per year.

Also running SL client in a high populated area (which afk places are) will drain much of the smartphones resources, it will make it run pretty hot since SL (even without loading textures and models) has a pretty high amount of traffic. Your smartphone won't probably last much longer than 16 to 24 hours a day with the the radio hardware being used all the time, especially when not at home. But if you keep your device plugged in on the charger it draws more power since it keeps constantly charging it. 

Its just a few cents. Still compared to a top afk model, the cost of electricity is just a little percentage. So running it on the smartphone or your ultrabook doesn't make that much difference in the long run. As noted above, electricity will just give you a max difference of 50 L$ a day (unless you run that on the power-wasting desktop computer). And the more tips you make, the less the electricity costs fall into the equation. 

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23 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

And its not good for interacting with your visitors. Lying there can make you a good buck, but from time to time interacting with the people brings you more regulars, when they know you're not just a money farming bot. 

the chat works like a charm, even voice, you can change clothes using the inventory, you can see whats happening right in that second.
What else is needed to get the job done?
 

29 minutes ago, Lys1990 said:

Its just a few cents. Still compared to a top afk model, the cost of electricity is just a little percentage.

Thats true.
I just mentioned the cellphone solution, because you Callum and you started to calculate the electricity cost.
And maybe the few cents less make the difference for some middle class AFK dolls to be able to make it worth doing it.

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All right Guys

If we start calculating tipps against power costs it really gets ridiculous. We really are going to discuss if 500 L$ minus electricity costs is a profitable business? I mean seriously?

To cut a long story short: No, it is not. If had read that article I posted, you would have seen that even the owner of the most popular afk place is just making ends meet.

And: The girls are into that for other reasons too.

There is a way to make money with this. It is called advertising space and affiliate programs.

That's what I do:

I write about it (and other sex related stuff) and place adverts to an affiliate-advertiser on the pages. And yes I am making money with that. Several hundred of USD (not L$) every month. I am actually converting one of my mainland parcels into an AFK place.

Will I make money with tips?

Not likely.

Will I increase traffic to my showroom in Second Life for that same advertiser?

Most likely.

Will I get some cools stories out of it which will increase the traffic (and Google rankings) to (of) my websites?

Most definitelly.

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What I’m getting out of this is to be a good AFK sex doll, you need to NOT be AFK. In other words to be a good sex doll, you have to be a good RP escort.

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4 minutes ago, carolinestravels said:

All right Guys

I have to insist on "girls", thanks. 

4 minutes ago, carolinestravels said:

If we start calculating tipps against power costs it really gets ridiculous. We really are going to discuss if 500 L$ minus electricity costs is a profitable business? I mean seriously?

That's the essential thing you have to do. Only when you know your real costs (plus fixed costs to get an avatar to an AAA+ AFK top model), you know how much money you need to make and how to optimize it. When you have like in the example above almost 200 L$ costs EVERY DAY, then an afk doll with an average of 100 L$ is not very cost effective. You will just lose money (of course your L$ will grow, no question, but so will your electricity bill). 

4 minutes ago, carolinestravels said:

To cut a long story short: No, it is not. If had read that article I posted, you would have seen that even the owner of the most popular afk place is just making ends meet.

And: The girls are into that for other reasons too.

There is a way to make money with this. It is called advertising space and affiliate programs.

This applies to the Sim operators, not to gals who leave their avatar online to get L$ for their shopping. AFK models don't make money with the traffic (and hence the advertisement on the parcel or anywhere else).

So yes, electricity plays a role in it, especially in the early stage before you build up your recurring customers list. Because in the beginning you experiment and see what brings you the best return, so its important here not lower your running costs. Especially when running on a power hungry desktop computer with almost 200 L$ costs per day. Running it a month means 6000 L$ or 24$. 

4 minutes ago, carolinestravels said:

Will I make money with tips?

Not likely.

If you don't invest anything you won't make anything. Simple as that. Like in the real world ;) 

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26 minutes ago, janetosilio said:

What I’m getting out of this is to be a good AFK sex doll, you need to NOT be AFK. In other words to be a good sex doll, you have to be a good RP escort.

Not only. Some customers prefer interaction and in most places there is an upfront fee of at least 500 L$ for text RP. So people who want it, IM you and when you're there and they paid you PR with them a bit. Usually you get more then the initial 500 L$. 

There are enough others who are just happy with having control over you w/o words and still pay 500 L$ per session or more. But for that, you need to be a top AFK model. On top of that, you don't have to actively to look for too much actively for customers. A group message here, a notecard there and if its running really well a rented board to advertise yourself. 

As AFK doll you do other things 95% of the time or sleep ;)

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8 hours ago, Rhonda Huntress said:

 

I say we dust off and nuke this thread from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.

*pouts* but,... but,... mousie is not dead yet, kitty wants to continue playing...

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On 6.4.2018 at 2:08 AM, Lys1990 said:

I suppose they are a bit jealous about it or don't understand the needs which is why they make so little or have no success in this business. 

 

You never directly replied to my inquiry about what I should be jealous of so I'll take this as a reply to that.

I do make a fair bit of Linden every day, it's however not as a whore. Never has been, never will be. So in the end, your comment is nothing but the generic 'someone doesn't agree with me so they must be jealous' type of response which devalues everything that came after.

Good going.

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14 hours ago, Lys1990 said:

This applies to the Sim operators, not to gals who leave their avatar online to get L$ for their shopping. AFK models don't make money with the traffic (and hence the advertisement on the parcel or anywhere else).

 

Nope

Anyone can start a blog and sell advertising on it. I wasn't talking about the sim operaters.

That is how I make money. The stories I wrote about my escort experiences in Second Life made me more money than clients ever paid me.

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10 hours ago, Fionalein said:

*pouts* but,... but,... mousie is not dead yet, kitty troll wants to continue playing...

Fixed that for you.

5 hours ago, carolinestravels said:

Anyone can start a blog and sell advertising on it. I wasn't talking about the sim operaters.

That is how I make money. The stories I wrote about my escort experiences in Second Life made me more money than clients ever paid me.

No offense, but I highly doubt this. SL population isn't large enough to make ad revenues in the 100s $ with blogging, unless you heavily utilize some shady MLM stuff (such as ClickBank with hilariously - almost criminal suspecting  - commissions of 50%+) on the blog.

Had a dive into that, many years ago (not on an SL topic though) and I know the typical ad rates, with SL only traffic you never get in there. It's usually around 0.05$ and 0.50$ per 100 click (more depending on the terms and niche), with an average click rate of ~0.5% CTR that means for every 200 unique visitors you get 0.05-0.5$ or 0.25-2.5$ per 1000. So you'd need at least 40k visitors per month to just get 100$. That's around half or whole population (hard to estimate with 20 to 50k active logged in every day and calculate out the bots and alts). And for couple of 100 with ads, you'd need multiple of that number. 

With CPM impressions (not many do it these days) the payout rates aren't much higher neither, usually 0.5-1$ per 1000 impressions. Interstitial ads and float-overs pay more, but unless you have insanely high traffic that you could afford to piss of a couple of % of the visitors, this wouldn't do you any good in the long term. Add business is really an ungrateful one, unless you have million hits a day. 

Paid blog posts may bring you a bit more, but that's not that much to make 100s USD per month neither, not in context of SL. Though people don't receive well paid articles, which are only positive about the person, place or item and unsubjective, so in log term you lose it all. Like this pc games magazines are these days. When you see a 12 page article about a game, you know its paid to praise the buyers game. It's obvious that such articles aren't objective and piss more and more gamers on, ending in decline of the users. Its a good short term source of money but long term... you ruin your business

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